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Nylis

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anc[is]Just because it's legal and in the EULA doesn't mean it's not a ***** move.
Whether you agree with it or not is not what matters here. It's the fact that they clearly stated that cheating of any kind would get you banned, so people who got caught have no right to complain, it was their own fault.

It's not the rule they hate, it's the fact they got caught and are now paying for it. If Blizzard had put that rule in the user agreement, but didn't enforce it, these same cheaters wouldn't be saying anything.
 

John Funk

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We've been over this in another thread before.

1.) They were trying to cheat the singleplayer game in order to get multiplayer prestige, i.e. achievements and the rare character portraits.

2.) Blizzard banned them from accessing the multiplayer portion of the game (as it has every right to do) as well as from getting any of those portraits, etc.

3.) They still have access to the full single-player game while playing as guest, they just can't play the multiplayer, which they were trying to game anyway.

Of all the things to get angry about, you're getting angry about people cheating? Really?



By all means, feel free to support - or refuse to support - any company you choose. But this is such a silly little thing to get angry over.
 

SkyKitty

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lacktheknack said:
NaziKitty said:
I'm a little mixed on this.

Were they banned from using the cheats PUT in the game?

Or banned for using cheats blizzard didn't make?
Third party software. Blizzard aren't THAT thick. Thus, they were unbalancing the game by unlocking a bunch of achievements, which affects multiplayer.
Oh, then I have no problem with what they're doing.

Sure, achievements don't mean that much, but people are still messing with their creation.

Besides, you have an invulnerability cheat and a bunch of others...Why would you need any more?
 

JerrytheBullfrog

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One of the comments in that article brings up a good point.

"this is really very sad. its like corporate paranoia. when we use cheats and trainers playing single player campaign against ai...that's our business. it helps enhance our gaming experience and we r not doing anything illegal. we pay good money for what should rightfully be ours...our gaming experience and we should be free to enhance that experience in any way we choose provided its not online-multiplayer and not illegal and isn't copyright infringement. i support CH in this whole-heartedly."

If you're cheating in an off-line match against AI bots with no damage to human players, than banning you for this is downright bogus.
Yes, IF that is what they were being banned for.

But it's not.

Please people, can we actually learn the details before we start complaining? Is it really too much to ask that of everybody here?
 

Callate

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I think this is a good argument for keeping single-player games offline and keeping the single- and mult-player components of a game properly firewalled from one another, and we should probably strongly urge all game companies to do so.

It's not a good reason to boycott Blizzard. If, as stated, the single-player game has an effect on how the player is presented to the multiplayer community, Blizzard has an interest in maintaining the integrity of that presentation.

Though that should probably have been more explicitly stated from the outset, rather than in some dark corner of the EULA, I'll grant.
 

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Garak73 said:
Nylis said:
Fr said:
anc[is]Just because it's legal and in the EULA doesn't mean it's not a ***** move.
Whether you agree with it or not is not what matters here. It's the fact that they clearly stated that cheating of any kind would get you banned, so people who got caught have no right to complain, it was their own fault.

It's not the rule they hate, it's the fact they got caught and are now paying for it. If Blizzard had put that rule in the user agreement, but didn't enforce it, these same cheaters wouldn't be saying anything.

..and you don't question if they even have the right to tell you how to play the game in single player? That $60 players gave them, was that a donation or were they buying something?
That $60 players gave them was for the single player experience that they agreed to by signing the EULA.

The Starcraft scene is one of, if not the biggest pro-gaming scenes for multiplayer, and achievements carry prestige from the single player into that multiplayer. Saying they only cheated single player so it's no big deal is ignoring the fact they weren't cheating single player, single player already has cheats built into the game, they were cheating multiplayer through single player games.

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Callate said:
I think this is a good argument for keeping single-player games offline and keeping the single- and mult-player components of a game properly firewalled from one another, and we should probably strongly urge all game companies to do so.

It's not a good reason to boycott Blizzard. If, as stated, the single-player game has an effect on how the player is presented to the multiplayer community, Blizzard has an interest in maintaining the integrity of that presentation.

Though that should probably have been more explicitly stated from the outset, rather than in some dark corner of the EULA, I'll grant.
Even the obviously anti-Blizzard article quotes a Blizzard press-release in which they explicitly say cheating in "any form of the game" will get you banned.
 

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Well, I feel like a bit of a tosser. Submitted this as a tip and then stumbled across this article.

Anyway, my feelings were sympathetic towards the banned, until I learned that there were cheats available in the game. Now, they totally deserved it in my mind.
 
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that is pretty BS... i can understand taking that action against competitive play with other ppl, but to do so against single player campaigners is just ridiculous
 

EHKOS

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This is completely ridiculus, but I already dont buy blizzards stuff.Just because I'm not interested in it.
 

Fr]anc[is

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THE FUNK HAS SPOKEN!

So they still have single player campaign and skirmish? Ok I'm a little more informed now. Still think achievements in general are retarded and how nobody cares yet somehow they're still here, but that's a different issue
 

Snotnarok

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Here's an idea, don't cheat. I don't care if people want to cheat in a game, cheating never ever made sense to me, where's the fun in cheating? Smashing an opponent AI or human it's boring in games like this.

Edit: Also consider this from Blizzards view, these trainers work in single player, how hard could it be for these cheats to be used online in ranked matches? The whole game works with online so any 3rd party crap used in it is probably going to cause trouble.
 

SkyKitty

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Garak73 said:
NaziKitty said:
lacktheknack said:
NaziKitty said:
I'm a little mixed on this.

Were they banned from using the cheats PUT in the game?

Or banned for using cheats blizzard didn't make?
Third party software. Blizzard aren't THAT thick. Thus, they were unbalancing the game by unlocking a bunch of achievements, which affects multiplayer.
Oh, then I have no problem with what they're doing.

Sure, achievements don't mean that much, but people are still messing with their creation.

Besides, you have an invulnerability cheat and a bunch of others...Why would you need any more?
Their creation??? Geez, doesn't it count for anything that people BOUGHT the game?
But why did they need to make their own cheating software?

There's cheats to give you all the minerals you need, remove defeat conditions, and become an unstoppable god.
 

JaredXE

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It's the Single Player game....so why is this a problem? Yes, it's cheating, but often times cheats are used to wring every last drop out of the game, to see things you might not have been able to see. If it in no way effects multiplayer, why is Blizz taking such a hard-assed stand?
 

Nylis

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NaziKitty said:
Garak73 said:
NaziKitty said:
lacktheknack said:
NaziKitty said:
I'm a little mixed on this.

Were they banned from using the cheats PUT in the game?

Or banned for using cheats blizzard didn't make?
Third party software. Blizzard aren't THAT thick. Thus, they were unbalancing the game by unlocking a bunch of achievements, which affects multiplayer.
Oh, then I have no problem with what they're doing.

Sure, achievements don't mean that much, but people are still messing with their creation.

Besides, you have an invulnerability cheat and a bunch of others...Why would you need any more?
Their creation??? Geez, doesn't it count for anything that people BOUGHT the game?
But why did they need to make their own cheating software?

There's cheats to give you all the minerals you need, remove defeat conditions, and become an unstoppable god.
Well, the main reason they make their own cheating software is pretty simple. They wanted to bypass the whole "cheating, but no achievements" thing. They wanted to be able to cheat and then brag to the online community about how they got skills.

Then they got caught lol.