Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits

[James Ennever]

Today I turned coats and ventured into PA to wach the weekly Extra credits, and there I realised something. That Jim sterling Knows more about the online gaming scene than the three of them combined.

Yes sexism in Xbox live is unacceptable and yes verbal jousting does cross the line, But If we followed the suggestions they say, it would be the death of free speech. Where is the line between sexism, racism and bullying and at what point does it leave the realms of hate speech and into just having a different opinion?

Jim sterling?s theory of immaturity being a good way to deal with unlikable people is what happens online 60% of the time. Here is an example of how jims logic works.

In the end, you both have the ability to silence each other through the use of mute, and fragging them is always the best option. Every time I hear A racist 12 year old from Indonesia, I (1) mute them (2) frag them (3) unmute them to see if they will act civil now(4) if not mute then warn my teammates, no need to ban anyone just ignore them or If they are to young to be playing the game mock them about there age and how they should ?really get of their mom?s computer? ??.simple

Edit 1
I like EC it is just that yesterdays episode contridivted jims earlier video.

EC is not "pretentous" It is sometimes biased but not uninteligable.

Edit 2

To clear one point, I believe that light trash talk IE swearing is accepteble. \Personel threats sexist/racist remarks are ban worthy.

Edit 3
takes a special sort of question to get metioned in an episode of the Jimquisition....
Extra credits I expect a 3 episode mini series(scarcasm)
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5653-Better-Does-Not-Mean-Good

 

[80Maxwell08]

I'm still wary of Extra Credits after that absolutely horrible RPG series they did recently. Though I get the feeling you don't get how their first solution works. It depends on the community to mute them not some random mod. So the community draws that line. Or maybe you do get that and you think the auto muting will occur from simple things like being muted disagreeing opinions. Though fighting immaturity with immaturity well...ever hear the phrase "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Same scenario especially since most of them just want attention. Also what is fragging?

 

[Vault101]

Jim Sterling has just about everything nailed down. I know a lot of people hate the guy but I very rarely disagree with him. For all his joking around with his God complex and what not, hes probably the most sensible content producer on this site.

Extra Credits on the other hand? Fuck EC. Thats all I am saying.

As for immaturity on xbox live specifically, you can mute people. I never understand the problem with minor online harassment. Some guy hitting on you in Facebook? You have a block button. Some kid on xbox live calling you a ****** jew? Bring up the scoreboard, scroll down to his name and press X. Problem solved.

I like Jim, better than yahtzee actually

didt like EC? I liked them in that they were all sunshine and rainbows, a nice contrast to other certin stuff here

but then they went on that artistic integrity bullshit with ME3.....*snnrrk*

 

[hazabaza1]

At least Jim isn't pretentious as all fuck.

 

[ChupathingyX]

EC came off as way too preachy to me and they always thought what they were saying was right.

At least Jim on the other hand does it in a more joking fashion and doesn't try to shove artistic stuff down my throat. He also did an entire episode about the Dynasty Warriors series which instantly gives him a lot of bonus points with me (despite never mentioning the music).

 

[James Ennever]

I'm still wary of Extra Credits after that absolutely horrible RPG series they did recently. Though I get the feeling you don't get how their first solution works. It depends on the community to mute them not some random mod. So the community draws that line. Or maybe you do get that and you think the auto muting will occur from simple things like being muted disagreeing opinions. Though fighting immaturity with immaturity well...ever hear the phrase "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Same scenario especially since most of them just want attention. Also what is fragging?

Fragging is a slighyly more PC term for killing in game.
I agree that An eye for An eye makes the world go blind, but what if you simply wclose your eyes and pretend nothing is happening? Then I reckon you lose some credibility in the eyes of the instigator of the attack and at the end of the day, If you do not take offence and simply say well the same to you, then you are teaching the instigator that his/her actions have consequences.

 

[80Maxwell08]

I'm still wary of Extra Credits after that absolutely horrible RPG series they did recently. Though I get the feeling you don't get how their first solution works. It depends on the community to mute them not some random mod. So the community draws that line. Or maybe you do get that and you think the auto muting will occur from simple things like being muted disagreeing opinions. Though fighting immaturity with immaturity well...ever hear the phrase "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Same scenario especially since most of them just want attention. Also what is fragging?

Fragging is a slighyly more PC term for killing in game.
I agree that An eye for An eye makes the world go blind, but what if you simply wclose your eyes and pretend nothing is happening? Then I reckon you lose some credibility in the eyes of the instigator of the attack and at the end of the day, If you do not take offence and simply say well the same to you, then you are teaching the instigator that his/her actions have consequences.

First off thanks for saying what fragging is. If everyone ignores them then they will realize that this won't get them attention. In attacking them back they have already won. I say try the muting thing and see if it works since right now no one is trying to fix it. I don't play multiplayer at all thanks to this kind of thing.

 

[TheGreatAndPowerfulZOG]

Extra Credits tends to talk down to their audience quite a lot. That said, I liked their solution to this problem. The first one, about the default mute. Taking away the ability to message other players seems pretty draconian.

Xbox live is a nasty, immature community, and I've abandoned most online gaming because of that. Microsoft really should start taking steps to clean it up.

 

[James Ennever]

Extra Credits tends to talk down to their audience quite a lot. That said, I liked their solution to this problem. The first one, about the default mute. Taking away the ability to message other players seems pretty draconian.

Xbox live is a nasty, immature community, and I've abandoned most online gaming because of that. Microsoft really should start taking steps to clean it up.

ECs solution, which I think would ruin multiplayer is to factor in A mute average. What if you are having A bad day and you trash talk the opisition? according to them you should be permenantly ostrisised, it is a dangerous idea.

 

[wintercoat]

I can't believe I'm about to say this. Okay, here goes: Jim Sterling is less full of himself than the EC crew. The guys at EC are so far up their own asses it's unbelievable. Their "gaming is the wave of the future!" attitude grates on my nerves. That being said, they've still got plenty of good things to say in a few episodes that isn't pretentious drivel. Jim just happens to have more of it.

 

[TheGreatAndPowerfulZOG]

Extra Credits tends to talk down to their audience quite a lot. That said, I liked their solution to this problem. The first one, about the default mute. Taking away the ability to message other players seems pretty draconian.

Xbox live is a nasty, immature community, and I've abandoned most online gaming because of that. Microsoft really should start taking steps to clean it up.

ECs solution, which I think would ruin multiplayer is to factor in A mute average. What if you are having A bad day and you trash talk the opisition? according to them you should be permenantly ostrisised, it is a dangerous idea.

I understand their solution. It would not necessarily penalize a bad day, or even the occasional bad day. There would be a threshold, and it would have to be fairy lenient to account for what you're talking about. Also you would have to factor in the risk that some players might mute people just out of spite. There are issues, but I think they could be worked out with a thoughtful implementation. It would spare us all listening to immature assholes every time we start a game, and I think that's a pretty worthwhile effort.

I'm sorry, I just have to: *Ostracized*

 

[DoPo]

I agree that An eye for An eye makes the world go blind, but what if you simply wclose your eyes and pretend nothing is happening? Then I reckon you lose some credibility in the eyes of the instigator of the attack and at the end of the day, If you do not take offence and simply say well the same to you, then you are teaching the instigator that his/her actions have consequences.

The consequences are that you're giving them attention. Which they seek. You know that other saying "Don't feed the trolls"? Yeah, they are trolls. Or did you think that if somebody said "Fuck you" and you replied "Yeah, the same to you" they'll have an emotional breakdown and realize what a horrible person they've been.

ECs solution, which I think would ruin multiplayer is to factor in A mute average. What if you are having A bad day and you trash talk the opisition? according to them you should be permenantly ostrisised, it is a dangerous idea.

That wasn't the idea I got from them. Didn't they say that an auto-mute would come if you get muted by others too much? And they didn't even use numbers, say 100 times - raw statistics. You get muted significantly more than the average, then hey, no talking for you. It doesn't stop people from unmuting you. It's elegant in its simplicity, as people say, as the average muting is not determined by you or the devs.

 

[Zhukov]

Eh, I like both of 'em.

Yes, the EC guys can get a bit pretentious at times. However, I thought that auto-muting idea was brilliant. "But what about freeeee speeeeech?" Did you see the examples they used? Free speech does not cover screaming insults at someone. Besides, EC's suggestion doesn't hinder it in any way. Those miserable little shits are still free to speak and you are still free to listen.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

I still find the communities attitude towards EC funny. When they were on the escapist, everyone praised the earth they walked on and when they left any praise seemed to follow suite. Now Jim is now the appointed messiah of the Escapist Community.

Either way I think both parties have valid opinions and ideas, but if anything Jim sometimes feels a bit too tongue in cheek if that makes any sense.

 

[5ilver]

I demand a "neither" option!

 

[Waffle_Man]

Extra Credits on the other hand? Fuck EC. Thats all I am saying.

At least Jim isn't pretentious as all fuck.

The guys at EC are so far up their own asses it's unbelievable. Their "gaming is the wave of the future!" attitude grates on my nerves.

Did I miss the part where EC decided to start stealing people's lunch money? There are definitely reasons to dislike Extra Credits, but does it warrant such hostility?

 

[James Ennever]

Extra Credits tends to talk down to their audience

I'm sorry, I just have to: *Ostracized*

Fair enough.........

 

[James Ennever]

Extra Credits on the other hand? Fuck EC. Thats all I am saying.

At least Jim isn't pretentious as all fuck.

The guys at EC are so far up their own asses it's unbelievable. Their "gaming is the wave of the future!" attitude grates on my nerves.

Did I miss the part where EC decided to start stealing people's lunch money? There are definitely reasons to dislike Extra Credits, but does it warrant such hostility?

I donated to that under the assumption that EC would stay on the escapist.....