EC make actual serious suggestions. Jim is just doing in for entertainment and even if he happens to be right hes just telling people what they want to hear.
Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits
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I vote EC, for the poll. First thing I noticed about the thread is how everyone feels talked down to by EC, which doesn't actually have anything to do with what the poll says. While I 'kinda' like Jim, he is VERY opinionated and impartiality is important in serious discussion. He is also rather sensationalist.
Anyone else get the feeling that people who feel as though they are talked down to don't actually get EC? Or at least something along those lines, its not terribly difficult to 'get' it after all. I also have the feeling that anybody on the internet who ever asserts an opinion is instantly labeled negatively, in this case 'pretentious' (which is being used incorrectly, or at least inappropriately far too often in this thread).
Anyone else get the feeling that people who feel as though they are talked down to don't actually get EC? Or at least something along those lines, its not terribly difficult to 'get' it after all. I also have the feeling that anybody on the internet who ever asserts an opinion is instantly labeled negatively, in this case 'pretentious' (which is being used incorrectly, or at least inappropriately far too often in this thread).
While your ad hominem attitude is pretty amusing, you are in fact incorrect about both your assumptions. While Jim being a 'gamer first' could technically be true, then it'd be true for nearly all gaming journalists. None of the EC crew are actually journalists, though. Sorry your getting spammed, but that's what being angry and irreverent on the first page get you.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
You didn't understand what I was saying. She isn't legally required to sit there and take it. By not listening to it, she is taking her own right of exposure away, which is a part of free speech. Freedom of speech works two ways. And by taking away her ability to listen to what I say, you're infringing hers and mine. Now, as regards to why i have the right to insult her if I wanted to. Because my civil or human, whichever you prefer, constitutionally granted right of universal freefom of expression and speech allows me to do so. That's why.LastGreatBlasphemer said:
Personally,I like Jim sterling, he's the guy that sits down and plays the games with you, he's right there, and gets mad bout things that make you a gamer mad. You can tell he's passionate about games, and the games that he plays...he's a gamer just like us. I find so many of his points valid, and insightful. I love this 'argue immaturity with more immaturity', and his wonderful 'thank god for me'. He's always entertaining, and I agree with him most of the time.
Extra Credits all ways felt like that guy standing behind you as you play the games, sipping on a latte and telling you how you should think and feel about something. Often times EC felt like a lecture, or it felt like I was being 'told', and talked down to. The show just never appealed to me really.
...but that's just my 2 copper.
Extra Credits all ways felt like that guy standing behind you as you play the games, sipping on a latte and telling you how you should think and feel about something. Often times EC felt like a lecture, or it felt like I was being 'told', and talked down to. The show just never appealed to me really.
...but that's just my 2 copper.
Botht the Jimquisition and Extra Credits provide insightful, factual, well-researched topics and expert opinions to topics both in and out of the video game community. The both listen to their followers and are always looking out for gamers and those who deal in the game realm.
The industry should be paying attention to both shows in order to learn how to better serve their consumers and appease to the gamers in general.
The industry should be paying attention to both shows in order to learn how to better serve their consumers and appease to the gamers in general.
Such open hostility towards EC yet the poll says otherwise, makes you think don't it? Anyway I'm going to paraphrase Jim by saying that if you like EC then you win, if like Jim then you also win but if you're like me and like both then you win twice.
I really like both shows, but for different reasons and Jim is my preference.
Jim's arguments tend to have more weight with me because he calls out people who NEED to be called out and isn't afraid to say it like it is.
Extra Credits is much more idealistic, which is both a strength and weakness. On one hand, they're always extremely civil and tend to worry about solutions to many problems. On the other hand, they seem a little too preachy at times.
Jim's arguments tend to have more weight with me because he calls out people who NEED to be called out and isn't afraid to say it like it is.
Extra Credits is much more idealistic, which is both a strength and weakness. On one hand, they're always extremely civil and tend to worry about solutions to many problems. On the other hand, they seem a little too preachy at times.
Here's a perfect example of why I think so many people feel EC is pretentious.Toilet said:
English majors are often criticized for their overanalysis of books. Those outside the major are like "There's no way the writer came up with 'this this symbol this motif that'", etc., as they feel English majors overglorify their favorite medium. English majors likewise find that most other people don't understand their points because they don't live working with the medium everyday. Of course, you also see film critics go through the same thing (I think MovieBob regularly has to deal with this and he regularly rants about, if need be).
It's also why I am feeling a little miffed that "pretentious" is the term everyone has chosen to use.
Really guys? You're acting like having some kind of idealism is somehow BAD for the industry. While I do like Sterling's show, while I do sometimes not watch some of EC's shows if they don't interest me, and while I do see where people are coming from when they say EC is a "preachy" show...I am pretty annoyed that people somehow are treating the heavy scrutiny of gaming as a culture from any place other than the consumer's point of view, the non-"artsy" view, is somehow "pretentious".
If that is so pretentious, then what do you want games to be? Do you want the medium to go forward or not? Because all other mediums have been influenced in various ways by the "artsy" view as well as the "common" view.
Or am I suddenly misunderstanding the argument of what makes EC pretentious? Because I want to really hear how the "artsy" view is somehow automatically pretentious.
I used to prefer Extra Credits over Jim Sterling, but I've lately found my opinion of them shifting. I still like watching Extra Credits, but I often agree moreso with Jim.
Jim has more of the "This is bullshit!" attitude towards addressing problems, while Extra Credits tries to take the "high road" and offer compromises which they think will leave both parties most satisfied. I can understand their approach, but on a personal level I think Jim resonates more with the individual, and I have grown to like him better.
As for which one the game industry should listen to. Well, that's a toughy.
Jim has more of the "This is bullshit!" attitude towards addressing problems, while Extra Credits tries to take the "high road" and offer compromises which they think will leave both parties most satisfied. I can understand their approach, but on a personal level I think Jim resonates more with the individual, and I have grown to like him better.
As for which one the game industry should listen to. Well, that's a toughy.
Can you give some examples on why they don't know what the fuck their talking about. If your just going to say that THEY IS STUPID, at least give us the reason why THEY IS STUPID.Das Boot said:
That's just it, the Extra Credits crew specifically said that it wasn't Perma-mute, it was default mute. The friend can just click un-mute. So can anyone. The idea is that the fact that they start muted is a signal to players to be warned - this person is known for behaving badly.him over there said:
Actually, you are wrong on several points.Num1d1um said:
Point 1) Screaming insults at someone, in public, can get you arrested. It is legally considered assault. Stating politely that you dislike them is free speech - verbally attacking them is an attack. Legally.
Point 2) Freedom of Speech is not legally protected during video game chat. If the game creators decide to limit your speech in game, they are FULLY and LEGALLY allowed to do so. You have no protections for Free Speech in a video game. The game's creators are protected according to free speech, but the players are not. Legally.
Point 3) As noted above, the auto-mute option is a default setting, NOT permanent. A player's friend can undo the mute - that player merely starts muted when first interacting with new players (in the design that Extra Credits suggested). Any player has the choice to unmute an individual, or remute them when desired.
Point 4) I am not asserting moral authority - the games creators would be in that hypothetical situation. And they entirely do have the right to make that call. As noted above, their decision to mute players they disapprove of is covered by their rights as the games creators. You, a player, have only one response - stop playing.
Theres a fucking mute button for a reason. Just because people elect not to use it... ah fuck who cares.
Wow, I wasn't aware Extra Creditz got so much hate. I honestly prefer them because it's nice to see a more "high road" approach to gaming issues every now and then. Don't get me wrong, I like Jim's rabble-rousing style but EC looks at topics from a more concilliatory position, which is often to the best way to bring about actual change.