Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits

[Wintermoot]

why not both?
they both have good points on how to run the industry

 

[Hazy992]

I like Jim Sterling. You get insight of how the industry works without the pretentious bullshit you get with EC

 

[Something Amyss]

Another thing: Jim Sterling is a gamer. Extra Credits are games journalists. Big difference.

You can't be serious. You mean the guy who's an editor at Destructoid is not a games journalist and the guys who preach that understanding the media includes playing the media are not gamers?

 

[Mr Dizazta]

Another thing: Jim Sterling is a gamer. Extra Credits are games journalists. Big difference.

You can't be serious. You mean the guy who's an editor at Destructoid is not a games journalist and the guys who preach that understanding the media includes playing the media are not gamers?

The guys at Extra Credits are actually game developers and/or artists.

 

[Loonyyy]

Free speech protects your right to voice your opinions and views to the public. It does not protect your right to talk over xBox Live, as xBox Live is owned by Microsoft, and thus, they can make whatever decisions they like about it. In this case, restricting the free speech of some has no negative effect on society, so anyone crying free speech is ignorant as to what free speech is and why it exists.

Me, I enjoy both shows, although I find Jim Sterlings approach to be usually kind of simple. I'm rarely challenged when I watch his segments, since they're usually pretty similar to my first reaction to things. While I don't always agree with EC, I usually finish each episode having learned something I didn't know, rather than watching the big guy tell me to thank god for his ability to draw genitalia in MS paint.

 

[johnnnny guitar]

Ehhh I think Extra credits have had their run the latest episodes have just lost that spark that made them so enjoyable and they are getting pretentious with some of their episodes where there is an issue and rather than try to research and analise they just spout long words in a smart way to make it seem deep when really it's just shallow.
Now Jim on the other hand a man I one thought I would hate till the day I die has really fucking picked up his game making him my number one draw to the escapist.
He's saying what alot of gamers are thinking and hammering that home however he can get a bit ignorant but will often look into the subject further if people say your not looking at both sides well enough.

So yeah THANK GOD FOR JIM!!!

 

[Fappy]

EC came off as way too preachy to me and they always thought what they were saying was right.

At least Jim on the other hand does it in a more joking fashion and doesn't try to shove artistic stuff down my throat. He also did an entire episode about the Dynasty Warriors series which instantly gives him a lot of bonus points with me (despite never mentioning the music).

"This base is under my thumb!"

Yeah, the DW music was always my favorite part about the series.

 

[James Ennever]

Today I turned coats and ventured into PA to wach the weekly Extra credits, and there I realised something. That Jim sterling Knows more about the online gaming scene than the three of them combined.

Just so you know, I stopped taking anything you wrote seriously after "the death of free speech". Otherwise, the solution to hateful harassment isn't more hateful harassment and the fact you don't see this as obvious makes me suspect any opinions I lay out in front of you will be sort of a waste of time but I would want to at least ask you to meditate about the issue and your views on it a bit more before you start sharing your thoughts again.

South park, it is sexist if the topic of the episode needs an ironic spin.
republicans are racist old farts.

Would the world be better without these things?

 

[Signa]

For the record, to summarise what I'm about to say, my view on EC and Jim is that Jim is great at showing what the gaming community is really like, while EC do a great job of showing how games should be for maximum enjoyment. Also, to throw Yahtzee in, I always agree with his views on the games themselves (the nitpicking and such). However, in terms of what makes a 'good game', and enjoyment, I often disagree with him, simply because we're different people with different tastes in games. I loved Halo Wars, and RTS games in general, for example.

Therefore, and I speak as an aspiring developer myself, I think it should be an industry requirement that all game developers watch, as a matter of course, all three series. Zero Punctuation, Extra Credits, and Jimquisition. Because that way, developers will see what the community is like, what games today are like, what they could (and should) be like, and will have a wide variety of imputs to how to develop their games. In addition, game developers should keep a close eye on the gaming community, in order to see exactly what gamers do and don't want. However, developers shouldn't always pander to the masses, because the gamers aren't the developers and thus they have no clue about how games really are made, unless they're actually interested in behind-the-scenes stuff or are gamers working in the industry. My (controversial) example here is that Mass Effect 3 would have been a damn sight worse if Bioware had simply pandered to the gamers from the off. Yes, I brought THAT up. Sue me.

If game developers did this, we would see an industry lacking in the banes that it seems to continuously employ (including, but not limited to, draconian DRM and copy-pasting games without innovation - I'm looking at you, CoD...), and more new and innovative, and more importantly, fun, games that people will actually want to play. Game development needs to be a two-way process. The gamers shouldn't have full control over the development, but at the same time, the developers should still look to their customers to see just what said customers actually want, and then tailor-make a great product that everyone can enjoy.

And for the record, this is exactly why indie gaming is on the rise. Because indie developers tend to be gamers who have decided to build their own game from scratch while still being firmly rooted in the community itself. Yes, most developers are gamers anyway. Kind of a job requirement, almost, to enjoy playing games in the first place. But they are disconnected from the community as a whole, I've noticed, and that's how we end up with things like 'always-online DRM' and the like. Indie developers have the advantage, because they are still connected to, and part of, the wider community, and so they have a better viewpoint of what gamers do and don't want to see. And yes, I realise I've drifted way off topic, so I'll just leave this opinion here and move on. Feel free to quoe me or PM me if you agree, or disagree, on any of my points...

Alright, I'll quote you. Love your post. There's a few points in there where "developers" needs to be replaced with "publishers". More often than not, publishers are the ones causing the problems, but I get your point anyway.

 

[James Ennever]

Well, as someone who loves the show, that is quite needlessly insulting. "Oh no, people enjoy something I do not! Better make massive, offensive generalizations about them! That will certainly get me and my point taken seriously!"

Another thing: Jim Sterling is a gamer. Extra Credits are games journalists. Big difference.

Except for the fact that Jim is an actual games journalist. And James is a professional game designer.

Time to clear up one point, I like both, and there is room for the two of them but yesterdays vid was a pp;ar opisite to jims veiw.

 

[Relaver]

I miss Extra Credits. I was the perfect video to watch before doing a paper or something that required some deep thinking, well thats what it did for me any way.

 

[Xifel]

I think that we need them both, and nothing has convinced me more about variety of opinions than this topic. In fact we need more of them.

Well, basically what Mr Vhite just said.

They present different opinions on subject, and many time their opinions does not agree with mine at all. That make it more interesting. I don't want to hear someone confirm my opinion, I want someone to challenge it so I my look at it from an other perspective.

Also, both bring up subject I never ever even considered.

 

[somonels]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't everyone like HATE Jim Sterling when his show first started. In fact, I distinctly remember multiple "God Jim Sterling sucks" threads about that time. What happened?

He became one of us! A loud mouth, **** talking bastard who thinks he's the greatest. It's good to be us.

 

[LadyDeadly]

I like them both! Jim always get a laugh out of me while making ponder about something and extra credits addresses a lot of important subjects sort of relevant ( i make them relevant) to my current field of study.

I couldn't possibly say one was better than the other, they are two completely different things in my mind. And yet they are both are pretty awesome.

 

[doomspore98]

I have to go with EC. To some they may seem like they are looking down upon you, but they're really just trying to appeal to a wider audience. As a person who does not know about some of the stuff, it helps that they explain each new concept. Jim just feels like a person who rants all the time, and does not back his stuff up with any research at all. EC not only researches the subjects they talk about, but also rarely rant. I also want to know why EC is so hated now, some people say they're pretentious tripe sandwiches, give me an example of an episode, NOT some bullshit forum where the majority of the people are saying the show is good and the people who aren't are saying that it's one of those videos that say games can be art and therefore they must be stupid and pretentious. And just a question to those who say that we shouldn't call games art, why. Why shouldn't we want the rest of the world to take us more seriously?

 

[Gunner 51]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't everyone like HATE Jim Sterling when his show first started. In fact, I distinctly remember multiple "God Jim Sterling sucks" threads about that time. What happened?

I can answer this question.

A lot of people who slated early episodes of the Jimquisition got banned, suspended and generally got thier knuckles rapped.

Personally, I quite like Extra Credits - certainly more so than the Jimquisition. But that's just me being old and preferring the Broadsheet approach of Extra Credits to Jim's tabloid approach.

While Extra Credits may get a little preachy and maybe even condescending at times, they always keep a civil tongue in their mouths and don't come across as immature children who like screaming obscenties every two seconds.

While Extra Credits try to come up with constructive and creative solutions to gaming's ills - Jim just throws obscenities. Which is a shame because I cannot deny that Jim does have some good points - I find his delivery is grotesque and immature.

I personally couldn't think of a worse representative for the world of gaming than Jim Sterling. The sad thing is, like I said - he has good points. But acting like an obscenity hurling idiot isn't going to win him influence or respect from the genteel types who make laws like SOPA, PIPA and ACTA.

 

[hazabaza1]

Extra Credits on the other hand? Fuck EC. Thats all I am saying.

At least Jim isn't pretentious as all fuck.

The guys at EC are so far up their own asses it's unbelievable. Their "gaming is the wave of the future!" attitude grates on my nerves.

Did I miss the part where EC decided to start stealing people's lunch money? There are definitely reasons to dislike Extra Credits, but does it warrant such hostility?

I have my reasons.
Basically, they over-analyse, patronise, have practically insulted people for liking certain games, and give a large "Holier than thou" impression.
Oh, and with the whole money thing a while back, James posted what shit went down in terms of it, but then went "golly gee, I didn't mean to start all this fighting." Ha haaaa, no.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

You must have been looking in different places than me then. I saw those posts then about as often as I see "Jim teh sux0r" posts now. :/

Nah they were there just at the time there was more people complaining about Jim and more people loving EC more loudly than the haters were but now that EC is gone only the haters are left to comment on it. That and this is a thread about opinions. Also banhammer.

OT: I personally think Jim is a bit better. I really and truly hated their mini series on JRPGs and I felt it was quite skewed by the fact they fall into the trap of most of people of think a Video game RPG is the same as the Table Top. At least that is what I always got about the whole situation as if you go back to the routes of the words JRPGs and WRPGs are only labelled by geography because those regions produce more of the original label. These were computer and console RPGs at least from what I remember. To clarify WRPGs were Comp RPGs and JRPGs were Console RPGs.

While their opinion is quite artsy as some people say I think it is good thing to have that dynamic as if everyone had the same opinion there would be nothing but stagnation. They give a different view on it. Hell even though I completely disagree with Moviebob on nearly every single thing he says to do with gaming(ok big hyperbole) I still watch his stuff to get an alternate view.

 

[spartan231490]

EC's ideas on this subject are far better than Sterling's. They will actually make the community a better place, and discourage members of our community to act in a more sensible manner.