Poll: Journalistic Ethics (AKA Death photo on New York Post cover)

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tippy2k2

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I'm surprised that this hasn't been brought up here (or I missed it...or maybe I'm the only one who finds this somewhat fascinating...) but:


This was the cover of the December 4th edition of the New York Post.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-nn-ny-post-cover-train-death-20121204,0,7858527.story

By Andrew Khouri
This post has been corrected, as indicated below.
10:39 p.m. CST, December 4, 2012

On Tuesday, New Yorkers awoke to a gruesome New York Post cover photo. The photo, which fills most of the page, depicts a man trapped on the New York City subway tracks, awaiting an oncoming train that would eventually take his life.

"Pushed on the subway track, this man is about to die,? the headline says. The victim appears to be trying to climb up as he looks toward the oncoming train. Below the victim, appears one word: ?DOOMED.?

The decision has sparked outrage across the Internet, raising questions about journalism ethics. The story also has touched off a debate about whether bystanders ? including the photographer ? should have done more to help Ki-Suck Han, a 58-year-old from Queens, N.Y., who was allegedly pushed onto the tracks Monday afternoon.

?Someone needs to be fired for this @Nypost cover. It's classless, cruel and completely void of all integrity. You should be ashamed,? tweeted @ JasFly.

Others signaled out the photographer.

?Wow! enough time to take a few pictures. Why didn't the person help? ? What an age we live in when getting the picture is more important! I am appalled,? Joseph Monte wrote in a comment on the Post?s website.

Han attempted to get back onto the platform, the Post reported, but was crushed between the side of the platform and the train, which could not stop in time. Witnesses have indicated the man who pushed Han appeared to be disturbed and had frightened other riders as they waited on the subway platform.

Police have released a video that shows Han and another man arguing on the platform before the incident. Police said Tuesday they were questioning a 30-year-old man in connection with Han?s death and that he had implicated himself in the attack. No charges were expected to be announced before Wednesday.

The photographer, in particular, has been signaled out for criticism.

The Post reported that one of its freelance photographers, R. Umar Abbasi, had been on the platform of the station at West 49th Street and 7th Avenue. Abbasi told the Post that he attempted to warn the operator by rapidly firing off his flash.

?I just started running, running, hoping that the driver could see my flash,? Abbasi told the Post.

Abbasi said others on the platform also ran toward Han and the train after he was pushed.

Marc Cooper, a professor at the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, said many people had rushed to judgment without a full understanding of the facts.

?Those who are outraged that the cameraman did not save his life need to ask themselves what they would have done and what they could have done,? Cooper said. ?Because from what I have seen, I am not convinced that the photographer could have saved his life.?

Cooper said that if the photographer could have helped Han, he was obviously morally bound to do so, rather than snap a photo. But the outrage at the Post?s decision to run the photo ?seems misplaced? unless their photographer actually could have saved Han?s life, Cooper said.

Although the headline was sensational, the photo has news value, Cooper said, because ?it makes us think how we treat others and what our toleration of violence is.?

?If we live in a society where people are pushed to death in a subway over a silly argument, then I am in favor of documenting that and showing that in all the horror that it is,? he said. ?Journalists do not shy away from depicting horror because there is horror.?

Some journalists took a different view on Twitter. On Tuesday, the Poynter Institute published a post that provided a roundup of comments from journalists.

?Sickening rubber-necking front page from the New York Post. Imagine how this man's family feels,? Ian Prior, sports editor at the Guardian newspaper in London, tweeted.

?that NY Post cover doesn't seem necessary at all...? Charlie Warzel, a digital media reporter for Adweek magazine, tweeted.

[For the record, 5:37 p.m. Dec. 4: An earlier version of this post spelled the victim's name as Ki-Suk Han. Actually, it?s Ki-Suck Han.]

[For the record, 8:39 p.m. Dec. 4: This post was updated to indicate that police said late Wednesday that the man being questioned had implicated himself in the attack and that no charges were expected to be announced before Wednesday.]

A simple question: Is this right? Is a picture like this appropriate to be put in a newspaper (let alone the cover)?

Now personally, I think this is going too far. It's one thing if it's something that is actually affecting people but the only people this is going to be affecting is the direct people involved. There is absolutely no reason I can think of why this was put on the cover except to exploit the situation and sell a ton of newspapers. With that said, some of our most powerful photographs in history have been far more brutal than this (example: The Vietnam General being executed; The Twin Towers on fire).

Just curious what others may be thinking about this...

STORY UPDATE: Since a few people have asked, the alleged "pusher" has been found and charged with second-degree murder. It's not first-degree (yet) because the prosecutors don't believe he intended to kill Han but had "depraved indifference" after he shoved him into the tracks.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspected-subway-pusher-charged-murder/story?id=17886112#.UMCbTINZXF0

UPDATE #2 FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN THE STORY: Naeem Davis (The man accused of pushing Han onto the train tracks) is claiming self-defense:

http://newsone.com/2096716/naeem-davis-murder-charge-ki-suk-han-subway-pusher/

?He attacked me first. He grabbed me,? Davis said.

It's also being reported by multiple news sites that 22 seconds went by between Han going to the train tracks and the train actually striking Han (although that just seems to be the photographers word from the news articles I've seen).
 

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"Other people on the platform also rushed to help"....

There is a good 4 or 5 foot of platform infront of that guy on the track and not a person in sight .... they didn't rush that fast did they.

Obviously the photographer must have been traumatised by that event. I mean, not only did he get a perfectly placed picture (while rushing to help and trying to attract the drivers attention with the flash .... *cough*bollocks*cough*) but he was so devastated about being unable to help that he sold that photograph to rid him of it's shock.

He also managed to get on the front page, which i'm sure eased the poor photographers troubled mind.

What a dick.
 

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To be honestly I have felt for a whiles that anything calling itself a news source really should be held up by law to keep a certain level of ethics. People come to newspapers and newscasts for the truth and they have no obligation what so ever to not make up random crap at will. There really should be some sort of law to force news sources to give unbiased facts so people are not constantly being tricked or manipulated.
 

Andy Shandy

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Why am I suspicious that he wasn't flashing the camera to alert the driver, but to have a better chance at getting a newsworthy picture?

While it's true he may not have been able to save the man, he would've had a much better chance at saving him if he'd rushed to the man. But no, the photo comes first.

Now I'm not Captain Courageous over here but I'd like to believe I'd try and save the guy's life instead of taking a photograph of him about to be killed.

TopazFusion said:
Reminded me of this . . .



I seems that every news source tries to top every other. Especially since printed media is feeling the squeeze from online sources.

And if that requires going over-the-top like this, it seems they're all too willing to do so.
Goddamnit, Topaz, I'm not suppose to laugh at stuff like this XD
 

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>Journalistic Integrity
>New York Post


Choose one. The New York Post is one of Rupert Murdoch's tabloids. He owns a few in the US as well as the UK, notably the New York Post and the Washington Times, which are so named probably in the hopes that people will confuse them with the New York Times and the Washington Post, both of which are real newspapers.
 

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That actually turns my stomach.

First, the photo was taken instead of any real attempt to save the man. Second, they used the photo. Third, they used that insensitive, piece of shit fucking caption.

A man lost his life in front of the cameraman and all they can think of is "DOOOOOMED!".

The lack of respect is sickening.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily say the picture itself is wrong, after all some pretty terrible photos (vietnam girl, burning monk, tank man, the falling man on 9/11 etc) have played important roles by capturing in a single static image a story of humanity and suffering and sometimes gone on to change public opinion dramatically. In this case though, the whole "DOOMED" headline is stupid and disrespectful in my opinion, it takes away any dignity the photo had and replaces it with tacky tabloidism.
 

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What the hell? Why take the... and not try to help the... Arghh! Someone please throw that photographer in front of a speeding train. See how he likes it. Even if he couldn't help, you'd think a decent human being would at least try, they certainly would not stop to take a damn picture. And no using flash to warn the driver is not helpful, how the fuck is that going to stop a train? Does your camera do morse code?

As for the newspaper using the picture with that headline is borderline sick. Using a horrific image of a man's final moment to sell papers, you can't get much lower than that. Oh course it would be one of Murdouch's papers, Newscorp have time and again have shown themselves to be morally bankrupt. No chance of integrity there.
 

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JoJo said:
I wouldn't necessarily say the picture itself is wrong, after all some pretty terrible photos (vietnam girl, burning monk, tank man, the falling man on 9/11 etc) have played important roles by capturing in a single static image a story of humanity and suffering and sometimes gone on to change public opinion dramatically. In this case though, the whole "DOOMED" headline is stupid and disrespectful in my opinion, it takes away any dignity the photo had and replaces it with tacky tabloidism.
I agree with this completely. It's not the photo itself that's the problem, but the way it's been used by the paper. Had they come up with a more serious sounding headline (I don't know what, but then I'm not a paid journalist). DOOMED sounds almost comical, and it comes across like they're making light of the photo.

It's hard to condemn the photographer too much. These guys have their cameras out and ready almost all of the time, and it takes about half a second to take a photo. Subway trains move quickly, even as they come into a station, and we don't know the length of time between when the guy was pushed and when the photo was taken. On what seems to be a relatively empty platform, people may have been standing a fair distance away, and it'd take a few seconds to realise what's happened and move to help the guy. Not to mention that some "disturbed" guy who had just shoved a man in front of a train was presumably still standing nearby.
 

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The picture itself is fine. The way they used it is not.
 

Zhukov

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I... cannot help but find that amusing in a macabre sort of way.

In a nutshell:
Photo: OK
Words: Not OK

As for whether the photographer or anyone else there could have helped the guy, no idea, I wasn't there. It would depend on how much time passed between him being pushed and getting hit by the train. It may only have been a few seconds, not enough time for anyone to react, let alone help.
 

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No you guys! Christ almighty in heaven. The photo is not okay at all. This ************ stood there and took a picture while someone DIED when they had the option to help them. What is okay about that?

The other pictures you mentioned are ones where there was not necessarily immediate danger or else nothing could be done.

This piece of shit is neither of those things.
 

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Zhukov said:
I... cannot help but find that amusing in a macabre sort of way.

In a nutshell:
Photo: OK
Words: Not OK

As for whether the photographer or anyone else there could have helped the guy, no idea, I wasn't there. It would depend on how much time passed between him being pushed and getting hit by the train. It may only have been a few seconds, not enough time for anyone to react, let alone help.
if he had time to ready his camera and snap a picture, he had time to attempt help. End of story.
 

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I'm kinda neutral on the subject having seen enough pictures and videos of people dying or about to die. Is it right? I honestly have no idea, so many people get upset but nobody is actually harmed. I think the best thing to do would be have it smaller on a different page without the words like that, just a caption of what happened.
 

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Please, there have been far more brutal cover photos within the past month than this, such as a dead man's body being dragged down in the city streets he was killed him (somewhere in the Middle East if I remember right), and a guy who committed suicide on live TV.

Seeing as you don't actually see him dead, I guess that in a sense it's fine.
 

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I guess that guy really wanted a Sub...

No that was dumb let me try again.

He must of had a great track record...

Hmm, that wasn't very good either. Give me a few minutes I'll come up with some better ones.

About whether this is ethical or not? Well it isn't considering that douche bag with the camera was more interested in taking a picture instead of helping the guy.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
>Journalistic Integrity
>New York Post


Choose one. The New York Post is one of Rupert Murdoch's tabloids. He owns a few in the US as well as the UK, notably the New York Post and the Washington Times, which are so named probably in the hopes that people will confuse them with the New York Times and the Washington Post, both of which are real newspapers.
This. I've been an avid reader of the Post for some time now, but it's an absolute rag of a newspaper. It's like Spiderman's Daily Bugle.

This also isn't the worst I've seen as the cover of their paper. When that egyptian guy got overthrown we were treated to a picture of the guys corpse.
 

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White Lightning said:
I guess that guy really wanted a Sub...

No that was dumb let me try again.

He must of had a great track record...

Hmm, that wasn't very good either. Give me a few minutes I'll come up with some better ones.

About whether this is ethical or not? Well it isn't considering that douche bag with the camera was more interested in taking a picture instead of helping the guy.
You keep jumping around, can't you stick to one TRAIN of thought?

Oh I shouldn't joke, it's a terrible way to die.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
White Lightning said:
I guess that guy really wanted a Sub...

No that was dumb let me try again.

He must of had a great track record...

Hmm, that wasn't very good either. Give me a few minutes I'll come up with some better ones.

About whether this is ethical or not? Well it isn't considering that douche bag with the camera was more interested in taking a picture instead of helping the guy.
You keep jumping around, can't you stick to one TRAIN of thought?

Oh I shouldn't joke, it's a terrible way to die.
Yeah really, his family must be crushed at his loss. I hope they can get their life back on track.

Yeah I know I used a track joke already but I couldn't think of any other ones so shut up.

There's a "light at the end of the tunnel" joke here somewhere I just gotta find it....
 

DudeistBelieve

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White Lightning said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
White Lightning said:
I guess that guy really wanted a Sub...

No that was dumb let me try again.

He must of had a great track record...

Hmm, that wasn't very good either. Give me a few minutes I'll come up with some better ones.

About whether this is ethical or not? Well it isn't considering that douche bag with the camera was more interested in taking a picture instead of helping the guy.
You keep jumping around, can't you stick to one TRAIN of thought?

Oh I shouldn't joke, it's a terrible way to die.
Yeah really, his family must be crushed at his loss. I hope they can get their life back on track.

Yeah I know I used a track joke already but I couldn't think of any other ones so shut up.

There's a "light at the end of the tunnel" joke here somewhere I just gotta find it....
It's okay, you didn't get to CHOO-CHOO-Choose how things turned out.