Poll: Jumping or Force

[rekabdarb]

But to answer your question, telekinesis. Being able to teleport places would just make me lazier.

And i mean teleporting. That is what i said. wouldn't make you any less lazy?

I'd pick telekinesis. Cause then you can like fly, and depending on how strong you make yourself be able to fly to the same speed that teleporting could do.

But this is only in a 'perfect world' if any government noticed a flying man they would be like "we must study him"

 

[Vigormortis]

lol in the books for jumper, (yes i did read them they were pretty good too) you COULD develop your power, he even gave his power to to his wife through repeated exposure, (taking her with him for years) he could also make a "gate way" to let things "flow" through. like being at a beach in water and at the roof of a building, he could make the water flow to the roof and flood it from the top down...

i vote for jumping here =)

I actually read the books as well, I was just trying to think of things that weren't in the. Oh, and let me just say the first book is a lot better than the movie, in terms of character development, only really making up for it with Griffin. Goddamn, Griffin was glorious. I'm just sorta irritated because a lot of people think teleportation is locked. They think it's just poof, you're here, you're there, the end, when it's actually quite the opposite. I was trying to think about things I hadn't read about in the book. Plus, you've got the whole hand-to-hand combat part of teleporting, which kicks ass.

There's actually a scene from the movie where Griffin jumps in short burst, propelling him faster and pretty much punching Samuel L. Jackson through a wall. Pretty badass.

This right here is part of my point from my earlier post. Exiting and entering space/time while "jumping" (as portrayed in the book) creates a flash wave of energy. With practice, you could theoretically create an emergence wave so powerful it would act as a blast from a nuke.

Basically, what I mean is, "jumping" has the potential to be far more powerful than telekinesis. Sure, you could crush a car or building with telekinesis, but you could accomplish the same result by using the tidal forces inherent in bending space/time. In effect, if you "jump" something in just the right way, you can utterly destroy it. (or just plant it a few hundred miles down in the ground.

 

[winginson]

Telekinesis - So so so many applications.

Flight, opening beer, invincibilty, getting stuff from fridge, super strength, 'creative' uses on girlfriends etc. Yes I've thought about this too much and yes I'm stopping before my perverted mund takes over.

Also I get to have the most authentic Jedi outfit.

 

[Rowan93]

actually in the movie chronicle, the power gets stronger the more you use it, theres no limit known but just know you coulde level multiple buildings in a matter of days.

Also jumpers can teleport anything theyre holding onto with them. but jumpers cant jump while being shocked with electricity.

also also neither are invulnerable and you can die, but the force power cant stop attacks if you lock on to whats coming at you.

Sure, the telekinesis itself is high-power, I'm talking about the "tier" that telekinesis is on. Any goal you want to achieve with telekinesis you can also achieve with teleportation, and the way you would go about it with that power is generally safer and more reliable, but less fun.

Wait..... what?

How are you going to crush a car with the Jumpers power? Or knock and army of soldiers back, lift a building etc.

They're two very different powers and their applications are just as different.

Teleportation isn't generally an offensive power, characters like nightcrawler etc use it offensively, but it's not got anywhere near the same level of combat applications as telekinesis.

Your end goal in crushing a car isn't just to crush the car (usually) - maybe you want to kill everyone inside? maybe you want to stop someone from commuting?
Walk out into the street so the driver swerves and crashes, disappear before you get hit. Slit their throats in the middle of the night. Teleport into the back seat, and leave behind a pipe bomb.

If you're trying to knock back an army of soldiers, your goal is something like "fight off the army without getting killed in the process" - jump from place to place faster than the enemy can aim, and you can take down a platoon with a box cutter.

Winning against a platoon of soldiers with telekinesis is difficult unless you have superhuman senses and reaction speeds, because that's what you need to even have a vague idea of where a bullet is in-between the time that it's inside a gun and the time that it's inside your spleen.

If you want to collapse a building... well, that's going to be more tedious, you'll have to steal a bunch of explosives and set up the building to explode, and doing it properly will take a few days of preparation, but if you do it right you won't even get caught. While on the other hand wrecking it with telekinesis will give you all kinds of trouble you don't want to have to deal with.

That's like saying everything your hands you can do your feet can to.

The fact of the matter is you can't do everything a person with TK could do with TP.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the actual ability to do something, like what you were letting on to.

Also, it's pretty much par for the course that high level TK's can create forcefields etc. So it really isn't about stopping each individual bullet, but creating an area around you that bullets won't pass through, think Magneto in whichever Xman film he does that in. Same idea.

I specifically said "any goals you can achieve" instead of just saying "anything you can do" because I was talking about results. I don't know how you can get that I was letting onto something that I structured the whole sentence arount not implying.

Forcefields in that sense aren't things you can actually produce, though. Not only are they not real, which on its own wouldn't matter, but being able to create a solid thing made of force just by being able to apply forces to things would deny what we know about what force is.

 

[Rowan93]

in my previous post i pointed out that telekinesis is relatively stealthy.
so plugging the pins out of the grenades would be a stealthy maneuver and killing them would be mostly done by using the element of suprise.

and why do you insist on supersonic wind?
why can't you consider simple gravitation?

look at neutron stars. they are relatively small but have such high density that they have a huge gravitational force.
in fact if they would had any more density they wouldn't be neutron stars, they would be 'black holes' sucking even light into their abysm.

please read this
What would a teaspoonful of neutron star do to you?
http://io9.com/5805244/what-would-a-teaspoonful-of-neutron-star-do-to-you

and with the faraday cage. yes it would protect you from lightning but you wouldn't be able to teleport yourself outside of trouble. if i remember right the lightning served to create interference rather than to stun you.

and do you really think its that good to create a wormhole which someone completely mundane can go through if they're fast enough? perhaps also an object. maybe a bullet?
get shot at london, teleport to berlin only to fall down dead near the brandenburg gate.
at least you would troll forensics.


hmmm..... were moving into a argument spiral.

i really like telekinesis and teleportation.
but given the choice i still would stick with telekinesis because it appears to have more possibilities to be applied to.
i would reconsider that choice though, if someone would confirm the hint that jumpers might be able to jump through time if they train enough.
but until then i stick to telekinesis.

lets make a deal!
i'll work on my telekinetic powers and you work on your teleportation skills and someday we'll meet somewhere where we can battle each other in a fight of epic proportions just for fun.

deal?

Well, I suppose - the scenario in my head for "trying to take on a platoon of soldiers" is a straight-up battle.

If you're applying force across an area like this, you'll be affecting the air as well as the bullets that are in the air. If you're not able to specifically focus on the bullets, the same force that can slow down a bullet from 900m/s to 0m/s in less than the time it takes to get from inside the gun to inside your spleen will also be applied to the air that the bullets are flying in. This will make the air that's moving at about 0m/s speed up to 900m/s, just as fast as the bullets are being slowed down, and since you're either standing or floating in this same air, you're going to be killed by hypersonic winds.

See, that duel would be a problem because doing things "just for fun" is the reason I said I'd choose telekinesis even though I thought teleportation was better. It'd be way more fun to just throw cars at things.
Winning a duel kind of implies promising not to do the sneaky tactics that teleportation gives you, like knifing your opponent in the back when they least expect it. If that's outruled, hell yeah telekinesis loses, that's like the entire schtick.

 

[Rowan93]

actually in the movie chronicle, the power gets stronger the more you use it, theres no limit known but just know you coulde level multiple buildings in a matter of days.

Also jumpers can teleport anything theyre holding onto with them. but jumpers cant jump while being shocked with electricity.

also also neither are invulnerable and you can die, but the force power cant stop attacks if you lock on to whats coming at you.

Sure, the telekinesis itself is high-power, I'm talking about the "tier" that telekinesis is on. Any goal you want to achieve with telekinesis you can also achieve with teleportation, and the way you would go about it with that power is generally safer and more reliable, but less fun.

Wait..... what?

How are you going to crush a car with the Jumpers power? Or knock and army of soldiers back, lift a building etc.

They're two very different powers and their applications are just as different.

Teleportation isn't generally an offensive power, characters like nightcrawler etc use it offensively, but it's not got anywhere near the same level of combat applications as telekinesis.

Your end goal in crushing a car isn't just to crush the car (usually) - maybe you want to kill everyone inside? maybe you want to stop someone from commuting?
Walk out into the street so the driver swerves and crashes, disappear before you get hit. Slit their throats in the middle of the night. Teleport into the back seat, and leave behind a pipe bomb.

If you're trying to knock back an army of soldiers, your goal is something like "fight off the army without getting killed in the process" - jump from place to place faster than the enemy can aim, and you can take down a platoon with a box cutter.

Winning against a platoon of soldiers with telekinesis is difficult unless you have superhuman senses and reaction speeds, because that's what you need to even have a vague idea of where a bullet is in-between the time that it's inside a gun and the time that it's inside your spleen.

If you want to collapse a building... well, that's going to be more tedious, you'll have to steal a bunch of explosives and set up the building to explode, and doing it properly will take a few days of preparation, but if you do it right you won't even get caught. While on the other hand wrecking it with telekinesis will give you all kinds of trouble you don't want to have to deal with.

That's like saying everything your hands you can do your feet can to.

The fact of the matter is you can't do everything a person with TK could do with TP.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the actual ability to do something, like what you were letting on to.

Also, it's pretty much par for the course that high level TK's can create forcefields etc. So it really isn't about stopping each individual bullet, but creating an area around you that bullets won't pass through, think Magneto in whichever Xman film he does that in. Same idea.

I specifically said "any goals you can achieve" instead of just saying "anything you can do" because I was talking about results. I don't know how you can get that I was letting onto something that I structured the whole sentence arount not implying.

Forcefields in that sense aren't things you can actually produce, though. Not only are they not real, which on its own wouldn't matter, but being able to create a solid thing made of force just by being able to apply forces to things would deny what we know about what force is.

You can't achieve levitating something in the air..... Like a building.

And you must be joking, what's real and what isn't where powers are concerned is down entirely to whoevers writing the damn story. Telekinesis isn't real if you're going to go down the pedantic route.

And I wasn't talking about a psychic construct, which is a different power altogether. But a field of energy around the person that stops things before they hit the person. Not a solid barrier, just a field of density. Thousands of telekenets do that in stories, and although I haven't seen chronicle yet, I find it hard to imagine they can't do it.

Well, yeah, but that's a stupid goal. Levitating a building is always either a means to an end (levitate building -> drop building on target -> kill that guy) or just mucking about. If your goal is to muck about, waste time, and generally misuse your powers, there are plenty of things you can do with teleportation as well.

My point wasn't that they're not real - and, again, this is something I've been over in the thing I just said that you're responding to. I'm saying that a solid object made of force is nonsense, it's like a circle with corners, and you can't just decide that telekinesis gives you the power to do nonsense.

...Do you mean compressing the air in the space between you and the enemy into a solid? That might work, but it'd be problematic for when you want to drop the shield and it basically explodes everywhere.
If that's not what you're getting at, can you try to explain it in a way that makes sense? "Field of density" doesn't really.

 

[Jedoro]

Force

Because I'd basically have a Gravity-Gun-on-crack in my hand, and we all know how much fun those are.

 

[Rowan93]

actually in the movie chronicle, the power gets stronger the more you use it, theres no limit known but just know you coulde level multiple buildings in a matter of days.

Also jumpers can teleport anything theyre holding onto with them. but jumpers cant jump while being shocked with electricity.

also also neither are invulnerable and you can die, but the force power cant stop attacks if you lock on to whats coming at you.

Sure, the telekinesis itself is high-power, I'm talking about the "tier" that telekinesis is on. Any goal you want to achieve with telekinesis you can also achieve with teleportation, and the way you would go about it with that power is generally safer and more reliable, but less fun.

Wait..... what?

How are you going to crush a car with the Jumpers power? Or knock and army of soldiers back, lift a building etc.

They're two very different powers and their applications are just as different.

Teleportation isn't generally an offensive power, characters like nightcrawler etc use it offensively, but it's not got anywhere near the same level of combat applications as telekinesis.

Your end goal in crushing a car isn't just to crush the car (usually) - maybe you want to kill everyone inside? maybe you want to stop someone from commuting?
Walk out into the street so the driver swerves and crashes, disappear before you get hit. Slit their throats in the middle of the night. Teleport into the back seat, and leave behind a pipe bomb.

If you're trying to knock back an army of soldiers, your goal is something like "fight off the army without getting killed in the process" - jump from place to place faster than the enemy can aim, and you can take down a platoon with a box cutter.

Winning against a platoon of soldiers with telekinesis is difficult unless you have superhuman senses and reaction speeds, because that's what you need to even have a vague idea of where a bullet is in-between the time that it's inside a gun and the time that it's inside your spleen.

If you want to collapse a building... well, that's going to be more tedious, you'll have to steal a bunch of explosives and set up the building to explode, and doing it properly will take a few days of preparation, but if you do it right you won't even get caught. While on the other hand wrecking it with telekinesis will give you all kinds of trouble you don't want to have to deal with.

That's like saying everything your hands you can do your feet can to.

The fact of the matter is you can't do everything a person with TK could do with TP.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the actual ability to do something, like what you were letting on to.

Also, it's pretty much par for the course that high level TK's can create forcefields etc. So it really isn't about stopping each individual bullet, but creating an area around you that bullets won't pass through, think Magneto in whichever Xman film he does that in. Same idea.

I specifically said "any goals you can achieve" instead of just saying "anything you can do" because I was talking about results. I don't know how you can get that I was letting onto something that I structured the whole sentence arount not implying.

Forcefields in that sense aren't things you can actually produce, though. Not only are they not real, which on its own wouldn't matter, but being able to create a solid thing made of force just by being able to apply forces to things would deny what we know about what force is.

You can't achieve levitating something in the air..... Like a building.

And you must be joking, what's real and what isn't where powers are concerned is down entirely to whoevers writing the damn story. Telekinesis isn't real if you're going to go down the pedantic route.

And I wasn't talking about a psychic construct, which is a different power altogether. But a field of energy around the person that stops things before they hit the person. Not a solid barrier, just a field of density. Thousands of telekenets do that in stories, and although I haven't seen chronicle yet, I find it hard to imagine they can't do it.

Well, yeah, but that's a stupid goal. Levitating a building is always either a means to an end (levitate building -> drop building on target -> kill that guy) or just mucking about. If your goal is to muck about, waste time, and generally misuse your powers, there are plenty of things you can do with teleportation as well.

My point wasn't that they're not real - and, again, this is something I've been over in the thing I just said that you're responding to. I'm saying that a solid object made of force is nonsense, it's like a circle with corners, and you can't just decide that telekinesis gives you the power to do nonsense.

...Do you mean compressing the air in the space between you and the enemy into a solid? That might work, but it'd be problematic for when you want to drop the shield and it basically explodes everywhere.
If that's not what you're getting at, can you try to explain it in a way that makes sense? "Field of density" doesn't really.

Then what you meant is like saying 'Anything you can do with your hands you can do with your feet.'

You could 'Kill that guy' or 'muck about' with more or less any power. You could also do them without powers, so the comparison is neither here nor there.

And a telekenets force field is usually just an area around them that they control, either by increasing the airs density or simply using their ability (however it works) to effect anything that enters is, either by flooding it with energy or just mentally stopping in anything that passes the area, it's been a part of any good TK's arsenal for years.

I suppose you could argue that, but my original point was that teleportation would be better at achieving goals. If you decide, for instance, that you want to bring down the Chinese government, you can do that with a bit of research, a good sharp knife, and about an hour spent assassinating everything.

See, you're not really explaining how it's able to make sense. To have creating shields as part of as part of your arsenal when your power is just telekinesis, you have to be able to explain how you would go about doing that. Unless this stupidity has specifically been used in Chronicle, I'm not going to just accept that the power allows it, because it's a completely distinct thing from telekinesis.

 

[King of Wei]

Jumping! Cuts down on travel time and more importantly, allows me to effortless rob anyone/anyplace I want!

 

[Rowan93]

actually in the movie chronicle, the power gets stronger the more you use it, theres no limit known but just know you coulde level multiple buildings in a matter of days.

Also jumpers can teleport anything theyre holding onto with them. but jumpers cant jump while being shocked with electricity.

also also neither are invulnerable and you can die, but the force power cant stop attacks if you lock on to whats coming at you.

Sure, the telekinesis itself is high-power, I'm talking about the "tier" that telekinesis is on. Any goal you want to achieve with telekinesis you can also achieve with teleportation, and the way you would go about it with that power is generally safer and more reliable, but less fun.

Wait..... what?

How are you going to crush a car with the Jumpers power? Or knock and army of soldiers back, lift a building etc.

They're two very different powers and their applications are just as different.

Teleportation isn't generally an offensive power, characters like nightcrawler etc use it offensively, but it's not got anywhere near the same level of combat applications as telekinesis.

Your end goal in crushing a car isn't just to crush the car (usually) - maybe you want to kill everyone inside? maybe you want to stop someone from commuting?
Walk out into the street so the driver swerves and crashes, disappear before you get hit. Slit their throats in the middle of the night. Teleport into the back seat, and leave behind a pipe bomb.

If you're trying to knock back an army of soldiers, your goal is something like "fight off the army without getting killed in the process" - jump from place to place faster than the enemy can aim, and you can take down a platoon with a box cutter.

Winning against a platoon of soldiers with telekinesis is difficult unless you have superhuman senses and reaction speeds, because that's what you need to even have a vague idea of where a bullet is in-between the time that it's inside a gun and the time that it's inside your spleen.

If you want to collapse a building... well, that's going to be more tedious, you'll have to steal a bunch of explosives and set up the building to explode, and doing it properly will take a few days of preparation, but if you do it right you won't even get caught. While on the other hand wrecking it with telekinesis will give you all kinds of trouble you don't want to have to deal with.

That's like saying everything your hands you can do your feet can to.

The fact of the matter is you can't do everything a person with TK could do with TP.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the actual ability to do something, like what you were letting on to.

Also, it's pretty much par for the course that high level TK's can create forcefields etc. So it really isn't about stopping each individual bullet, but creating an area around you that bullets won't pass through, think Magneto in whichever Xman film he does that in. Same idea.

I specifically said "any goals you can achieve" instead of just saying "anything you can do" because I was talking about results. I don't know how you can get that I was letting onto something that I structured the whole sentence arount not implying.

Forcefields in that sense aren't things you can actually produce, though. Not only are they not real, which on its own wouldn't matter, but being able to create a solid thing made of force just by being able to apply forces to things would deny what we know about what force is.

You can't achieve levitating something in the air..... Like a building.

And you must be joking, what's real and what isn't where powers are concerned is down entirely to whoevers writing the damn story. Telekinesis isn't real if you're going to go down the pedantic route.

And I wasn't talking about a psychic construct, which is a different power altogether. But a field of energy around the person that stops things before they hit the person. Not a solid barrier, just a field of density. Thousands of telekenets do that in stories, and although I haven't seen chronicle yet, I find it hard to imagine they can't do it.

Well, yeah, but that's a stupid goal. Levitating a building is always either a means to an end (levitate building -> drop building on target -> kill that guy) or just mucking about. If your goal is to muck about, waste time, and generally misuse your powers, there are plenty of things you can do with teleportation as well.

My point wasn't that they're not real - and, again, this is something I've been over in the thing I just said that you're responding to. I'm saying that a solid object made of force is nonsense, it's like a circle with corners, and you can't just decide that telekinesis gives you the power to do nonsense.

...Do you mean compressing the air in the space between you and the enemy into a solid? That might work, but it'd be problematic for when you want to drop the shield and it basically explodes everywhere.
If that's not what you're getting at, can you try to explain it in a way that makes sense? "Field of density" doesn't really.

Then what you meant is like saying 'Anything you can do with your hands you can do with your feet.'

You could 'Kill that guy' or 'muck about' with more or less any power. You could also do them without powers, so the comparison is neither here nor there.

And a telekenets force field is usually just an area around them that they control, either by increasing the airs density or simply using their ability (however it works) to effect anything that enters is, either by flooding it with energy or just mentally stopping in anything that passes the area, it's been a part of any good TK's arsenal for years.

I suppose you could argue that, but my original point was that teleportation would be better at achieving goals. If you decide, for instance, that you want to bring down the Chinese government, you can do that with a bit of research, a good sharp knife, and about an hour spent assassinating everything.

See, you're not really explaining how it's able to make sense. To have creating shields as part of as part of your arsenal when your power is just telekinesis, you have to be able to explain how you would go about doing that. Unless this stupidity has specifically been used in Chronicle, I'm not going to just accept that the power allows it, because it's a completely distinct thing from telekinesis.

yea. you could do that. Or you could do an Akira and openly crush the entire military. Ware a mask if you're worried about identity.

And it makes just as much sense as being able to lift something with your mind. Tell me how that would logically work? Reducing gravities effect on it? Pushing air underneath it? Using giant invisible arms? It depends how the writers want it to work as to how the ability works.

Personally, if I was writing it. I'd say that you just concentrate on the area around you, focusing so you grab everything that passes it. There's no real need to focus on individual items such as bullets.

Well, yeah, that's the point, that's the different approaches. And I'm saying teleportation is better in that regard there because a reasonably sized detachment of the military could stop you before you made a decent amount of progress.

That's not the issue here. The issue is being able to lift something with your mind leading to being able to make solid things made of force (which makes no sense). If I accept for the purposes of discussion that telekinesis makes sense, I'm under no obligation to accept another distinct bit of nonsense without good reason.

That results in throwing the air around you outwards with just as much force as you'd be applying to the bullets to slow them down. Your corpse is identified as being the most spread out of the dozens of red smears where a platoon shooting at you used to be.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Telekinesis would get me in less trouble.
Teleportation would just get me assassinated by some governmental black ops team for being a huge potential risk to national security.

 

[shasjas]

actually in the movie chronicle, the power gets stronger the more you use it, theres no limit known but just know you coulde level multiple buildings in a matter of days.

Also jumpers can teleport anything theyre holding onto with them. but jumpers cant jump while being shocked with electricity.

also also neither are invulnerable and you can die, but the force power cant stop attacks if you lock on to whats coming at you.

Sure, the telekinesis itself is high-power, I'm talking about the "tier" that telekinesis is on. Any goal you want to achieve with telekinesis you can also achieve with teleportation, and the way you would go about it with that power is generally safer and more reliable, but less fun.

Wait..... what?

How are you going to crush a car with the Jumpers power? Or knock and army of soldiers back, lift a building etc.

They're two very different powers and their applications are just as different.

Teleportation isn't generally an offensive power, characters like nightcrawler etc use it offensively, but it's not got anywhere near the same level of combat applications as telekinesis.

Your end goal in crushing a car isn't just to crush the car (usually) - maybe you want to kill everyone inside? maybe you want to stop someone from commuting?
Walk out into the street so the driver swerves and crashes, disappear before you get hit. Slit their throats in the middle of the night. Teleport into the back seat, and leave behind a pipe bomb.

If you're trying to knock back an army of soldiers, your goal is something like "fight off the army without getting killed in the process" - jump from place to place faster than the enemy can aim, and you can take down a platoon with a box cutter.

Winning against a platoon of soldiers with telekinesis is difficult unless you have superhuman senses and reaction speeds, because that's what you need to even have a vague idea of where a bullet is in-between the time that it's inside a gun and the time that it's inside your spleen.

If you want to collapse a building... well, that's going to be more tedious, you'll have to steal a bunch of explosives and set up the building to explode, and doing it properly will take a few days of preparation, but if you do it right you won't even get caught. While on the other hand wrecking it with telekinesis will give you all kinds of trouble you don't want to have to deal with.

That's like saying everything your hands you can do your feet can to.

The fact of the matter is you can't do everything a person with TK could do with TP.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the actual ability to do something, like what you were letting on to.

Also, it's pretty much par for the course that high level TK's can create forcefields etc. So it really isn't about stopping each individual bullet, but creating an area around you that bullets won't pass through, think Magneto in whichever Xman film he does that in. Same idea.

I specifically said "any goals you can achieve" instead of just saying "anything you can do" because I was talking about results. I don't know how you can get that I was letting onto something that I structured the whole sentence arount not implying.

Forcefields in that sense aren't things you can actually produce, though. Not only are they not real, which on its own wouldn't matter, but being able to create a solid thing made of force just by being able to apply forces to things would deny what we know about what force is.

You can't achieve levitating something in the air..... Like a building.

And you must be joking, what's real and what isn't where powers are concerned is down entirely to whoevers writing the damn story. Telekinesis isn't real if you're going to go down the pedantic route.

And I wasn't talking about a psychic construct, which is a different power altogether. But a field of energy around the person that stops things before they hit the person. Not a solid barrier, just a field of density. Thousands of telekenets do that in stories, and although I haven't seen chronicle yet, I find it hard to imagine they can't do it.

Well, yeah, but that's a stupid goal. Levitating a building is always either a means to an end (levitate building -> drop building on target -> kill that guy) or just mucking about. If your goal is to muck about, waste time, and generally misuse your powers, there are plenty of things you can do with teleportation as well.

My point wasn't that they're not real - and, again, this is something I've been over in the thing I just said that you're responding to. I'm saying that a solid object made of force is nonsense, it's like a circle with corners, and you can't just decide that telekinesis gives you the power to do nonsense.

...Do you mean compressing the air in the space between you and the enemy into a solid? That might work, but it'd be problematic for when you want to drop the shield and it basically explodes everywhere.
If that's not what you're getting at, can you try to explain it in a way that makes sense? "Field of density" doesn't really.

Then what you meant is like saying 'Anything you can do with your hands you can do with your feet.'

You could 'Kill that guy' or 'muck about' with more or less any power. You could also do them without powers, so the comparison is neither here nor there.

And a telekenets force field is usually just an area around them that they control, either by increasing the airs density or simply using their ability (however it works) to effect anything that enters is, either by flooding it with energy or just mentally stopping in anything that passes the area, it's been a part of any good TK's arsenal for years.

I suppose you could argue that, but my original point was that teleportation would be better at achieving goals. If you decide, for instance, that you want to bring down the Chinese government, you can do that with a bit of research, a good sharp knife, and about an hour spent assassinating everything.

See, you're not really explaining how it's able to make sense. To have creating shields as part of as part of your arsenal when your power is just telekinesis, you have to be able to explain how you would go about doing that. Unless this stupidity has specifically been used in Chronicle, I'm not going to just accept that the power allows it, because it's a completely distinct thing from telekinesis.

yea. you could do that. Or you could do an Akira and openly crush the entire military. Ware a mask if you're worried about identity.

And it makes just as much sense as being able to lift something with your mind. Tell me how that would logically work? Reducing gravities effect on it? Pushing air underneath it? Using giant invisible arms? It depends how the writers want it to work as to how the ability works.

Personally, if I was writing it. I'd say that you just concentrate on the area around you, focusing so you grab everything that passes it. There's no real need to focus on individual items such as bullets.

Well, yeah, that's the point, that's the different approaches. And I'm saying teleportation is better in that regard there because a reasonably sized detachment of the military could stop you before you made a decent amount of progress.

That's not the issue here. The issue is being able to lift something with your mind leading to being able to make solid things made of force (which makes no sense). If I accept for the purposes of discussion that telekinesis makes sense, I'm under no obligation to accept another distinct bit of nonsense without good reason.

That results in throwing the air around you outwards with just as much force as you'd be applying to the bullets to slow them down. Your corpse is identified as being the most spread out of the dozens of red smears where a platoon shooting at you used to be.

i think the idea would be to use your powers on an area of air infront of you and then just not allow things to move inside that area. you cant say thats not possible with telekinetic powers because you dont have telekinetic powers, and so you dont know how they would act were they to exist.

 

[Right Hook]

I'd go with the jumping, way more convenient and the force power is a lot less useful unless you planned on fighting people and then you'd essentially become a villain even if you had good intentions because the meat-head police would never let someone stronger than them fight bad guys because to admit someone was better than them would cause their tiny nuts to shrivel into dust.

So yeah...I'd go with the jumping, being able to just go wherever I want instantly would be so great, I'd just jump to deserted islands and enjoy the solitude for a couple hours, it would be so great.

 

[Rowan93]

actually in the movie chronicle, the power gets stronger the more you use it, theres no limit known but just know you coulde level multiple buildings in a matter of days.

Also jumpers can teleport anything theyre holding onto with them. but jumpers cant jump while being shocked with electricity.

also also neither are invulnerable and you can die, but the force power cant stop attacks if you lock on to whats coming at you.

Sure, the telekinesis itself is high-power, I'm talking about the "tier" that telekinesis is on. Any goal you want to achieve with telekinesis you can also achieve with teleportation, and the way you would go about it with that power is generally safer and more reliable, but less fun.

Wait..... what?

How are you going to crush a car with the Jumpers power? Or knock and army of soldiers back, lift a building etc.

They're two very different powers and their applications are just as different.

Teleportation isn't generally an offensive power, characters like nightcrawler etc use it offensively, but it's not got anywhere near the same level of combat applications as telekinesis.

Your end goal in crushing a car isn't just to crush the car (usually) - maybe you want to kill everyone inside? maybe you want to stop someone from commuting?
Walk out into the street so the driver swerves and crashes, disappear before you get hit. Slit their throats in the middle of the night. Teleport into the back seat, and leave behind a pipe bomb.

If you're trying to knock back an army of soldiers, your goal is something like "fight off the army without getting killed in the process" - jump from place to place faster than the enemy can aim, and you can take down a platoon with a box cutter.

Winning against a platoon of soldiers with telekinesis is difficult unless you have superhuman senses and reaction speeds, because that's what you need to even have a vague idea of where a bullet is in-between the time that it's inside a gun and the time that it's inside your spleen.

If you want to collapse a building... well, that's going to be more tedious, you'll have to steal a bunch of explosives and set up the building to explode, and doing it properly will take a few days of preparation, but if you do it right you won't even get caught. While on the other hand wrecking it with telekinesis will give you all kinds of trouble you don't want to have to deal with.

That's like saying everything your hands you can do your feet can to.

The fact of the matter is you can't do everything a person with TK could do with TP.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about the actual ability to do something, like what you were letting on to.

Also, it's pretty much par for the course that high level TK's can create forcefields etc. So it really isn't about stopping each individual bullet, but creating an area around you that bullets won't pass through, think Magneto in whichever Xman film he does that in. Same idea.

I specifically said "any goals you can achieve" instead of just saying "anything you can do" because I was talking about results. I don't know how you can get that I was letting onto something that I structured the whole sentence arount not implying.

Forcefields in that sense aren't things you can actually produce, though. Not only are they not real, which on its own wouldn't matter, but being able to create a solid thing made of force just by being able to apply forces to things would deny what we know about what force is.

You can't achieve levitating something in the air..... Like a building.

And you must be joking, what's real and what isn't where powers are concerned is down entirely to whoevers writing the damn story. Telekinesis isn't real if you're going to go down the pedantic route.

And I wasn't talking about a psychic construct, which is a different power altogether. But a field of energy around the person that stops things before they hit the person. Not a solid barrier, just a field of density. Thousands of telekenets do that in stories, and although I haven't seen chronicle yet, I find it hard to imagine they can't do it.

Well, yeah, but that's a stupid goal. Levitating a building is always either a means to an end (levitate building -> drop building on target -> kill that guy) or just mucking about. If your goal is to muck about, waste time, and generally misuse your powers, there are plenty of things you can do with teleportation as well.

My point wasn't that they're not real - and, again, this is something I've been over in the thing I just said that you're responding to. I'm saying that a solid object made of force is nonsense, it's like a circle with corners, and you can't just decide that telekinesis gives you the power to do nonsense.

...Do you mean compressing the air in the space between you and the enemy into a solid? That might work, but it'd be problematic for when you want to drop the shield and it basically explodes everywhere.
If that's not what you're getting at, can you try to explain it in a way that makes sense? "Field of density" doesn't really.

Then what you meant is like saying 'Anything you can do with your hands you can do with your feet.'

You could 'Kill that guy' or 'muck about' with more or less any power. You could also do them without powers, so the comparison is neither here nor there.

And a telekenets force field is usually just an area around them that they control, either by increasing the airs density or simply using their ability (however it works) to effect anything that enters is, either by flooding it with energy or just mentally stopping in anything that passes the area, it's been a part of any good TK's arsenal for years.

I suppose you could argue that, but my original point was that teleportation would be better at achieving goals. If you decide, for instance, that you want to bring down the Chinese government, you can do that with a bit of research, a good sharp knife, and about an hour spent assassinating everything.

See, you're not really explaining how it's able to make sense. To have creating shields as part of as part of your arsenal when your power is just telekinesis, you have to be able to explain how you would go about doing that. Unless this stupidity has specifically been used in Chronicle, I'm not going to just accept that the power allows it, because it's a completely distinct thing from telekinesis.

yea. you could do that. Or you could do an Akira and openly crush the entire military. Ware a mask if you're worried about identity.

And it makes just as much sense as being able to lift something with your mind. Tell me how that would logically work? Reducing gravities effect on it? Pushing air underneath it? Using giant invisible arms? It depends how the writers want it to work as to how the ability works.

Personally, if I was writing it. I'd say that you just concentrate on the area around you, focusing so you grab everything that passes it. There's no real need to focus on individual items such as bullets.

Well, yeah, that's the point, that's the different approaches. And I'm saying teleportation is better in that regard there because a reasonably sized detachment of the military could stop you before you made a decent amount of progress.

That's not the issue here. The issue is being able to lift something with your mind leading to being able to make solid things made of force (which makes no sense). If I accept for the purposes of discussion that telekinesis makes sense, I'm under no obligation to accept another distinct bit of nonsense without good reason.

That results in throwing the air around you outwards with just as much force as you'd be applying to the bullets to slow them down. Your corpse is identified as being the most spread out of the dozens of red smears where a platoon shooting at you used to be.

Yea... Just like Akira.......

High level TK's ruin armies. They crumble them.

And it's not throwing air out, it's concentrating on an area and not allowing anything past. It's an accepted part of the high level TK's bundle whether you like it or not.

Even with forcefields, a thermobaric weapon will ruin your day because of all the suffocating you'll shortly be doing - making the shield airtight would kill you anyway. And on that topic, welcome to chemical weapons galore. Of course your real risk is a sniper shot to the back of the head at the very instant you lower your shield.
And of course without forcefields, attacking a single army platoon is a very risky proposition and going head-on against anything bigger is suicide.

And that's not something you can do with telekinesis, because that's not what the word means.

If an individual character has telekinesis and is shown to be able to make forcefields, this represents two divergences from reality. Either they have two powers, or they have one power and the laws of physics are completely different in their universe to allow these kinds of forcefields to happen. This is true even if every single fictional character with telekinesis can do this (at least assuming that that didn't change the definition of telekinesis to include forcefields, but we can hope that at least the dictionary people can continue being sane).
If we're just talking about telekinesis, we don't include the additional divergence from reality that forcefields represent, because things are like reality unless noted.

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i think the idea would be to use your powers on an area of air infront of you and then just not allow things to move inside that area. you cant say thats not possible with telekinetic powers because you dont have telekinetic powers, and so you dont know how they would act were they to exist.

Actually, I can say how telekinetic powers would act. I can say, for instance, that telekinesis does not entail heat vision.

Telekinesis is the ability to apply force to objects with your mind (well, it's moving objects with your mind, but you can't get movement without force). You can't be selective with what objects to move if you can't perceive them, and you can't perceive a bullet while it's in flight if you don't have both superhuman senses and superhuman response time, neither of which are parts of the telekinesis package, they're part of the more general "psychic powers" package.

 

[The87Italians]

Part of me really wants teleport, but I'm going with telekinesis. Just the thought of being stuck in a wall or somewhere worse after a jump is enough to make me not want to do it.