Poll: Justified Extermination

[Satinavian]

You have to have something cartoonishly evil and destructive for it to be justifiable. The closer to real life something is, the more abhorrent the suggestion becomes.

Basically, take the Nazis, but instead of there being doubts and in-fighting among the population and leadership of Germans, replace that with near Imperial Japan or North Korean fervent worship of their leaders for Adolf Hitler, and the general populace fully supports and is dedicated to the idea of the Aryan Race and the extermination/conversion of all non-Germans/Aryans into them and constantly tries to improve or come up with newer, more horrific ways to make this happen.

A common time travel trope is the idea of going back and killing Hitler. But really, the better thing to do would be go back and preventing Hitler from being an evil douche, perhaps by going to a child Hitler and helping him make friends with the Epstein's next door.

or just helping him get into art school.

A more interesting, if exponentially more horrible plan would be to go back in time and instead keep help Hitler keep his sanity by stopping his doctor from giving him those "medicines" (which helped destroy his men) and subtlety keep him focused.

Then you get to see what the world is like when Germany controls all of Europe, much of Africa and the Russians are dead!

Yeah but... Jewish girls are cute, and I still harbor a crush on Anne Frank from when I was 14 and first read her diary.

So that's gonna be a big negatory on the whole "Help Hitler Win" for me, big buddy.

My preferred intervention would be to cure Frederick III to have a sensible, liberal, more pacifist German Emporer with good Connections to the British Empire as a ruler for some decades and thus avoid the follies of fleet-building and German colonies and transform the German empire to a more liberal, less militaristic nation.


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No, i don't think extermination of the Forsaken seems justified. I can't see, why it should be.

Other cases ? Well, until we get some species which is not evil but literally needs to kill humans for sustenance with no other option available and without them "living on somehow" or other cop-outs, i can't see a case of justified extermination.

Oh, and of course escalation of conflicts to extermination level. If *group/species* wants to exterminate me, i sure won't hold back. MAD-logic still fully applies. But that is only valid until peace is possible again.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Do we consider viruses or diseases as living things? (I genuinely dont know) Cause fuck cancer.

Well, as a matter of terminology, a disease is just a categorized failing of the body. It's what we call a related bundle of symptoms, and trying to apply terms of life and death to a disease doesn't really make sense, from a tautological point of view. Cancer in particular is simply a failing of the body's cellular reproduction. We don't have a full list of what causes cancer, although a good chunk of cancer is caused by related diseases such as hepatitis, which themselves are caused by viruses.

In general, bacteria is considered to be alive as they are single celled organisms, viruses are... complicated, but last I heard they don't quite pass the life test, simply being bundles of autonomous proteins. Lots of other types of single celled organisms can cause disease but I can't name all of them.

Well, Im sure theres a few kinds of bacteria the world could do without.

No doubt there are, but unfortunately, diseases are extraordinarily hard to eradicate. I mean, for all of humanity's vast ability to wreck other species' shit, there are only two cases of worldwide eradication of infectious disease: smallpox and rinderpest. Some others, like polio and malaria, are underway to some degree.

Of course, there are diseases that have been effectively eliminated (=/= eradicated) in specific regions of the world, because advances in modern medicine like vaccines or simply a higher standard of living led to those diseases never occuring anymore in all but the rarest cases.