Poll: Let's Discuss Piracy
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Actually, in the eyes of the law, it is - your stealing the intellual property from the owners and making it worth less. And the consumers who do pirate aren't entitled to an opinion because they provide zero money to the creators of the products in question.Devour said:
Also, in the words of Shamus Young, try before you buy is bullshit because very few or zero people buy after they've tried [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/7225-Experienced-Points-Piracy-Numbers].
Actually to expand on your points, (aka, using you as fodder for the uncreative).Woodsey said:
I entirely agree with you on the try before buy. If I go into a restaurant eat a steak then walk out saying "I'm not paying it was too dry". Well you don't do it because that means you have stolen something, and while no stealing occurs in piracy you are essentially debasing the hard work of others to 0.00p. Often samples are sent out to the market, demo's and trailers for free (as in video games). Also reviews get posted everywhere. There's no need to eat the steak to know what it'll be like. Read a review from a trusted reviewer and you probably won't go wrong.
I can't afford it. If you can't afford it tough, wait till it's cheaper. However a small exception to this is the younger generation. I know that sounds wierd, but kids generally can't afford games as they rely on jobs that pay pennies per hour or a parent thats loose with their bank card, perhaps this group should be excluding? Not saying it's right to do it, but when I was younger and didn't have expendable income I pirated constantly. Now however I don't.
DRM made me do it. Well did you purchase the game first? If so go right ahead. It's your data, your choosing to not use some of it. If you haven't then your taking the hard work and labour of a developers, some will have sat there looking into a creen till 12 am who will be fired because no-one bought it, because you thought DRM is bad. That is my friend is a dick-move.
Heck great way to end piracy. Film a developer sitting there making robots or struggling to make the code run several jeeps on the same map. Only to eventually come up with an elegant solution, then have someone tell him he's not bieng payed that week. That is essentially piracy.
I used to pirate music, but then I simply started listening to local bands. And it makes you feel terrible if you pirate something that is made by someone you know, so I bought the CDs out of guilt. As for games, I have, to date, pirated one game and it was because I couldn't find a physical copy anywhere else.
You do realize you missed the point of what I was saying completely? There is one difference between pirating a game and stealing a car and that is that the car can't be instantly duplicated. If you actually tried to comprehend what I was saying instead of saying "car has no relation to data" you might understand it.
If a car is not going to be sold or used for any purpose than the company that made it gets no profit from said car same with a video game. Saying pirating a game is ok because you never intended to buy it doesn't not make it any less of a crime. If we use that same logic to car sales then stealing a car is justifiable if it was never going to be sold.
A car that isn't sold and a car that is stolen makes no money for the company therefor both are ok? No one is a crime regardless if it was making a profit or not and hiding behind "I'm not actually taking anything from anyone" is not a valid excuse. Although I will admit maybe a car was a bad example but my point is still valid.
If a car is not going to be sold or used for any purpose than the company that made it gets no profit from said car same with a video game. Saying pirating a game is ok because you never intended to buy it doesn't not make it any less of a crime. If we use that same logic to car sales then stealing a car is justifiable if it was never going to be sold.
A car that isn't sold and a car that is stolen makes no money for the company therefor both are ok? No one is a crime regardless if it was making a profit or not and hiding behind "I'm not actually taking anything from anyone" is not a valid excuse. Although I will admit maybe a car was a bad example but my point is still valid.
Firstly, the only reason 25% of the copies were pirated (the average for piracy is 50%, and I don't think it's actually uploaded on any torrenting sites) is because they left an open backdoor into the download, so that it wasn't even necessary to torrent it. You could download it straight from the site.Doug said:
Secondly, you do realise a lot of pirates are people from third world countries who might not have the ability (i.e. through credit card) to buy certain games / softwares, right? That'd also explain off the 25%.
Copyright theft =/= Criminal theft. Completely different systems. Learn this before you say it's theft. It's like me copying your ideas, not me stealing your booklet where you've wrote down your ideas. There's a significant difference.Doug said:
Yes, Pircay is bad but if you make the argument that it will ALWAYS ruin a company , then I will I have to slap you in the face, I mean come on, how many people pirated MW2? If you guessed a shitload then your right. But let me ask you this, did MW2 flop and not make any money? exctaly.
Basically, yes. If someone stole your wallet, you would be mad a hell. Everyone would be and would say the thief need to be shot. You can detach yourself because your not the one loosing in that regard. So if you can't relate, you haven't been victim of a crime yet.Devour said:
Yet another thread >.>
Someone (I can't remember who) on the Escapist said it best, you are not physically taking anything away from the companies, money is not lost because more than likely the people would not have bought the product in the first place. Money that was not there to be made in the first place is not stolen, 'nuff said.
I don't think its stealing, and I don't care if others think it is. Piracy is like religion, people have varying opinions and there is rarely anyone can do to convince them otherwise.
Someone (I can't remember who) on the Escapist said it best, you are not physically taking anything away from the companies, money is not lost because more than likely the people would not have bought the product in the first place. Money that was not there to be made in the first place is not stolen, 'nuff said.
I don't think its stealing, and I don't care if others think it is. Piracy is like religion, people have varying opinions and there is rarely anyone can do to convince them otherwise.
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OT: As pointed out on this very site not so long ago, if Piracy was actually the scourge of PC gaming as suggested bycockcash hungry publishers, then by virtue of the fact that it took weeks for the DRM on AC2 to be cracked fully, it should have sold about 10 times as many units as other PC chart #1's. It didn't. Piracy will always happen. Trying to stamp it out won't necessarily result in improved sales. PROTIP for publishers - stop charging us what amounts to about £2 per hour of fucking gameplay at best, and try pricing your product at a more realistic level. Same for console publishers, otherwise I forsee the renaissance of the chipped console arriving.
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I'm not really for or against pirating, but I am a firm believer in if you like something, go out and buy it so you can show your support. I would feel incredibly guilty if I watched or played something constantly that was readily available for purchase. However, I have downloaded movies that haven't been brought to America yet, games you have to be incredibly lucky to find for purchase and a virtual copy of a game I already owned because the physical disc broke.