Poll: Lets pretend the government passes a law stating that you can't have a gun anymore...

[Ryotknife]

Now those are two words that shouldn't ever be said together. Democratic paranoia. The irrational fear that the government you voted into power might be in charge.

I am so going to note that one down, and, with your permission, use it in conversation now and then.

All yours buddy. Use it well.

If they government DID do that, then that proves to everyone that the country is a place that cares nothing about freedom or its citizens. I would honestly move out of the country. I dont want to live in a country where criminals have all of the rights and protection and law abiding citizens have none. I dont want to live in a country where im in a constant fear of people trying to kill me while not being allowed to defend myself in anyway whatsoever or have any help from the government in protecting me.

Don't move to the United Kingdom then. The only people with guns out here are farmers and gangsters. I'm genuinely too scared to leave my house in the daytime. I have to go out at night and stay out of the streetlights. I break into the local stores and steal tins of food to stock my basement so I never go hungry. The other day somebody knocked at my door. I made sure the boards over the windows were still on tight and locked myself in the wardrobe till they left.

Can't take chances in this mob-ruled country.

I know you are making a joke, but I live in one of the strictest gun control states in the US. We are constantly told to make sure all windows and doors are locked and to not go out at night because it is too dangerous. And i live in one of the "safest" neighborhoods. There are constant stories of people invading someone's home at night, killing the owners (mostly with knives), take whatever they can grab, and leave before the police show up. My parents have been robbed 3 times in a 15 year period, and they live in a "safe" neighborhood. They are just lucky they were never around when the house got robbed, otherwise they would be dead too.

Shall I tell you the story of a mother and her children who hid in the attic waiting for police to arrive? The intruder, armed with a crowbar, managed to break through multiple locked doors with his tool, barge his way into the attic, get shot 5 times in the chest, stumble back downstairs to his car, AND LEAVE before the police arrived.

Dont talk about what you dont understand.

Uh. What? How would guns even make any of that better?

You are right, that wife and her children being brutally murder by an intruder with a crowbar is so much better than her defending herself with a gun.

guns are an unfortunate neccessity. Yes, banning guns works in UK, im happy for you. Im not going to try to tell you that UK should stop. It wont work in the US. For one, it will cause extreme economic harm. Two, the police can not protect anyone, nor are they required to. Three, it will not stop criminals in the slightest. Four, people will die in droves from wildlife related incidents. More people die from deer in this country per year than mass shootings. Five, every single piece of evidence INSIDE the US shows that banning guns or restricting guns either makes crime WORSE or does nothing at all. It doesnt matter how gun control affects people in other countries, all that matters is how it affects ours. I live in a state with the stricest gun control laws in the country (about to get stricter, although i do agree with about half of the measures they are implementing), and it is one of the most dangerous states in the country.

If you remove the NEED for guns, then I would be much more persuaded. But so long as that need exists, banning guns is immoral, illogical, and irational

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

"What guns, officer?"

My state has no record retention nor registration or license required for ownership. Now, if this happens when I have a CCW, "Sorry officer, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident"

 

[Thyunda]

Now those are two words that shouldn't ever be said together. Democratic paranoia. The irrational fear that the government you voted into power might be in charge.

I am so going to note that one down, and, with your permission, use it in conversation now and then.

All yours buddy. Use it well.

If they government DID do that, then that proves to everyone that the country is a place that cares nothing about freedom or its citizens. I would honestly move out of the country. I dont want to live in a country where criminals have all of the rights and protection and law abiding citizens have none. I dont want to live in a country where im in a constant fear of people trying to kill me while not being allowed to defend myself in anyway whatsoever or have any help from the government in protecting me.

Don't move to the United Kingdom then. The only people with guns out here are farmers and gangsters. I'm genuinely too scared to leave my house in the daytime. I have to go out at night and stay out of the streetlights. I break into the local stores and steal tins of food to stock my basement so I never go hungry. The other day somebody knocked at my door. I made sure the boards over the windows were still on tight and locked myself in the wardrobe till they left.

Can't take chances in this mob-ruled country.

I know you are making a joke, but I live in one of the strictest gun control states in the US. We are constantly told to make sure all windows and doors are locked and to not go out at night because it is too dangerous. And i live in one of the "safest" neighborhoods. There are constant stories of people invading someone's home at night, killing the owners (mostly with knives), take whatever they can grab, and leave before the police show up. My parents have been robbed 3 times in a 15 year period, and they live in a "safe" neighborhood. They are just lucky they were never around when the house got robbed, otherwise they would be dead too.

Shall I tell you the story of a mother and her children who hid in the attic waiting for police to arrive? The intruder, armed with a crowbar, managed to break through multiple locked doors with his tool, barge his way into the attic, get shot 5 times in the chest, stumble back downstairs to his car, AND LEAVE before the police arrived.

Dont talk about what you dont understand.

Uh. What? How would guns even make any of that better?

You are right, that wife and her children being brutally murder by an intruder with a crowbar is so much better than her defending herself with a gun.

guns are an unfortunate neccessity. Yes, banning guns works in UK, im happy for you. Im not going to try to tell you that UK should stop. It wont work in the US. For one, it will cause extreme economic harm. Two, the police can not protect anyone, nor are they required to. Three, it will not stop criminals in the slightest. Four, people will die in droves from wildlife related incidents. More people die from deer in this country per year than mass shootings. Five, every single piece of evidence INSIDE the US shows that banning guns or restricting guns either makes crime WORSE or does nothing at all. It doesnt matter how gun control affects people in other countries, all that matters is how it affects ours. I live in a state with the stricest gun control laws in the country (about to get stricter, although i do agree with about half of the measures they are implementing), and it is one of the most dangerous states in the country.

If you remove the NEED for guns, then I would be much more persuaded. But so long as that need exists, banning guns is immoral, illogical, and irational

Once again...you've cited one anecdotal incident. A story. You've painted a picture of a nightmarish existence where everyone lives in fear because they don't have guns. I have a whole nation with no guns and where we don't live in fear. My example vastly trumps yours. Yeah, so, more people get stabbed. But we can work on that. Knives are tools for other purposes that just get blatantly misused.

Guns have no other purpose than to kill. You want guns to kill people. Keep citing self defence, my friend, but all I'm hearing is "People are bad and I deserve the ability to kill them."

 

[Lieju]

I don't own any guns, and would never get one, except for purposes of a collection, maybe. Plus I'm pretty sure my grandfather has an old shotgun somewhere that will inevitably end up in my posession eventually.

But I wouldn't give them my stuff for free.

For the record, I support stricter gun-regulation, but not outright ban.

Let's suppose US would be attacked. Either nuclear weapons would be involved (in which case, your guns aren't going to do anything) or it would be a series of covert attacks (in which case paranoid people who're not trained professional soldiers and lack any proper organisation would mostly end up causing unnecessary violence).

Yeah, I don't think your guns are going to help you protect your freedom or anything.

Once again...you've cited one anecdotal incident. A story. You've painted a picture of a nightmarish existence where everyone lives in fear because they don't have guns. I have a whole nation with no guns and where we don't live in fear. My example vastly trumps yours. Yeah, so, more people get stabbed. But we can work on that. Knives are tools for other purposes that just get blatantly misused.

Guns have no other purpose than to kill. You want guns to kill people. Keep citing self defence, my friend, but all I'm hearing is "People are bad and I deserve the ability to kill them."

S/he does make ONE good point, though.
We need guns for hunting, and controlling wildlife populations, because the carnivores that would do that (like wolves)have been gotten rid of.

But guns used for hunting aren't that good for robbing someone, as far as I understand.

 

[Happiness Assassin]

"What guns, officer?"

My state has no record retention nor registration or license required for ownership. Now, if this happens when I have a CCW, "Sorry officer, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident"

Real men fish with guns.

OT: Even though I do love going out on a farm and shooting targets from a hundred yards out, I would just as easily give up my guns. After all, a gun isn't going to prevent any robberies, but my loud-ass security system sure will.

 

[Agayek]

I'm not terribly attached to my gun. It has some degree of sentimental value to me, as using it for skeet-shooting was something I did with my dad, but if someone was at my door with a warrant or equivalent to take my shotgun, I'd hand it over.

I wouldn't go out of my way to turn it in though. If the situation was basically "Guns are illegal, everyone go turn yours in at the nearest police station", I'd never get around to it.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

"What guns, officer?"

My state has no record retention nor registration or license required for ownership. Now, if this happens when I have a CCW, "Sorry officer, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident"

Real men fish with guns.

Real men fish with white phosphorous grenades.

 

[Reaper195]

Well, I live in a country where the only legal reason to own a gun is for hunting. So a fair few farmers might be put off, but a majority of the population wouldn't give a shit, since we don't really revel in the concept of guns. TO more or less the rest of the world, with the exception of the military, guns have proven to do more bad than good.

 

[Ryotknife]

Now those are two words that shouldn't ever be said together. Democratic paranoia. The irrational fear that the government you voted into power might be in charge.

I am so going to note that one down, and, with your permission, use it in conversation now and then.

All yours buddy. Use it well.

If they government DID do that, then that proves to everyone that the country is a place that cares nothing about freedom or its citizens. I would honestly move out of the country. I dont want to live in a country where criminals have all of the rights and protection and law abiding citizens have none. I dont want to live in a country where im in a constant fear of people trying to kill me while not being allowed to defend myself in anyway whatsoever or have any help from the government in protecting me.

Don't move to the United Kingdom then. The only people with guns out here are farmers and gangsters. I'm genuinely too scared to leave my house in the daytime. I have to go out at night and stay out of the streetlights. I break into the local stores and steal tins of food to stock my basement so I never go hungry. The other day somebody knocked at my door. I made sure the boards over the windows were still on tight and locked myself in the wardrobe till they left.

Can't take chances in this mob-ruled country.

I know you are making a joke, but I live in one of the strictest gun control states in the US. We are constantly told to make sure all windows and doors are locked and to not go out at night because it is too dangerous. And i live in one of the "safest" neighborhoods. There are constant stories of people invading someone's home at night, killing the owners (mostly with knives), take whatever they can grab, and leave before the police show up. My parents have been robbed 3 times in a 15 year period, and they live in a "safe" neighborhood. They are just lucky they were never around when the house got robbed, otherwise they would be dead too.

Shall I tell you the story of a mother and her children who hid in the attic waiting for police to arrive? The intruder, armed with a crowbar, managed to break through multiple locked doors with his tool, barge his way into the attic, get shot 5 times in the chest, stumble back downstairs to his car, AND LEAVE before the police arrived.

Dont talk about what you dont understand.

Uh. What? How would guns even make any of that better?

Because the friggen Crowbar guy would've raped and murdered them if they hadn't been armed did you even read it???

Got any more incidents to back yourself up or do I gotta start quoting firearm homocide statistics?

why dont you ask a certain escapist poster about her incident and how she would have died if she didnt own a gun.

How about a mother who just lost her husband to cancer and now has to take care of her child alone when two armed men addicted to drugs invaded her home (even when she barricaded the door) to get at her deceased husband's leftover drugs and fended them off with a shotgun? Even the police dispatcher told her to do what she had to do to protect her family.

How about my FATHER who stopped two men who brutally raped and battered this poor woman from finishing the job when she managed to escape them and tumble/crawl to my father's property until the two men caught up to her again? The only reason she is alive is because my father came out to investigate the commotion/screams and had a shotgun at hand. He pointed it at the two men and told them not to move and had to wait 15 minutes for the police to arrive. Hell the poor woman is lucky to be alive, one of them had a bat and used it against her before she managed to escape.

I know the anti-american bigots like to think that american gun owners are just looking for an excuse to kill someone for fun, but that is not true. That woman trapped in the attic? Scared to hell. Even my father told me how even before this incident, the prospect of pointing a gun at someone scared the hell out of them. But he had one just in case something like this happen, where you have to do the right thing even if it scares you to death.

 

[Jedi-Hunter4]

I would turn over my guns. I like my guns, but I don't need them. I don't even own them for a practical purpose like hunting or self defense. They are purely range weapons for me.

However, I would demand full compensation. Guns are expensive.

Finally a gun owner with a sensible and healthy attitude to firearms.

The purpose of them is to defend yourself from humans in your house trying to kill "you" I dont get why nobody seems to understand that on this site.

Again I live in the UK where you can only have a firearm for practical use's and its very hard to get one, and even then they are double barrel shot guns. Per person in the UK privately owned firearms are non existent.

How many times has anybody ever tried to kill me, any of my family or friends. NEVER. How many times in my lifetime have I heard of a school shooting. Never. Why? Because tools that can turn someone with no combat, martial arts or weapons training into a lethal killer that if your unarmed and untrained your essentially F'ed in the A. Are not readily available to anybody without a criminal record who is yet to show obvious signs of mental instability.

I know you are making a joke, but I live in one of the strictest gun control states in the US. We are constantly told to make sure all windows and doors are locked and to not go out at night because it is too dangerous. And i live in one of the "safest" neighborhoods. There are constant stories of people invading someone's home at night, killing the owners (mostly with knives), take whatever they can grab, and leave before the police show up. My parents have been robbed 3 times in a 15 year period, and they live in a "safe" neighborhood. They are just lucky they were never around when the house got robbed, otherwise they would be dead too.


Shall I tell you the story of a mother and her children who hid in the attic waiting for police to arrive? The intruder, armed with a crowbar, managed to break through multiple locked doors with his tool, barge his way into the attic, get shot 5 times in the chest, stumble back downstairs to his car, AND LEAVE before the police arrived.

All this tells us is you have a police force that is not doing its job properly. Not that the populace should be armed. I don't know where you are but its the police's job to protect people not theirs, whether the police are unable to fulfill their job either through lack of numbers, funding, inadequate laws to enable them to pursue crime effectively and so on. At least someone stands somewhat of a chance against a guy with a crowbar, would it really make you feel better to have a pistol when the criminals only have to rob someone with weapons while their out to access to assault weapons, shotguns and so on and their coming into your house with that. Or even would it even make you feel that much better to have the same weapon as the person breaking in? because if you want equal footing buy a crow bar or a knife, what does escalating the scales do but result in more death.

If things are so unsafe petition your local political representatives to sort the police out so you feel safe, form neighborhood watches so neighbourghs look out for each other and have a hotline to the police. I know its not as simple as that to achieve those things, but still, arming everyone to the teeth only is not really a good answer.

I get this great sense of egocentrism from people who claim they need guns or else the evil foreigners will invade, they'll be mugged because there's no other alternative to preventing crime than carrying a deadly firearm 24/7, or the big bad government will try to take-over.
This isn't the 1700s. You're not rebel colonials bravely fending off those who would make your life slightly uncomfortable.
Romanticizing about a civil war which is very unlikely to happen isn't exactly healthy, especially if you're a gun fanatic. It only prove the need to take your guns away, as you're clearly up for internal fighting.

BOOM, Head Shot. I get the irony but I couldn't resist.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I live in a country where they prefer to treat paranoid psychotics not arm them, so I'm already prohibitted from legally owning a firearm.

 

[Ryotknife]

Now those are two words that shouldn't ever be said together. Democratic paranoia. The irrational fear that the government you voted into power might be in charge.

I am so going to note that one down, and, with your permission, use it in conversation now and then.

All yours buddy. Use it well.

If they government DID do that, then that proves to everyone that the country is a place that cares nothing about freedom or its citizens. I would honestly move out of the country. I dont want to live in a country where criminals have all of the rights and protection and law abiding citizens have none. I dont want to live in a country where im in a constant fear of people trying to kill me while not being allowed to defend myself in anyway whatsoever or have any help from the government in protecting me.

Don't move to the United Kingdom then. The only people with guns out here are farmers and gangsters. I'm genuinely too scared to leave my house in the daytime. I have to go out at night and stay out of the streetlights. I break into the local stores and steal tins of food to stock my basement so I never go hungry. The other day somebody knocked at my door. I made sure the boards over the windows were still on tight and locked myself in the wardrobe till they left.

Can't take chances in this mob-ruled country.

I know you are making a joke, but I live in one of the strictest gun control states in the US. We are constantly told to make sure all windows and doors are locked and to not go out at night because it is too dangerous. And i live in one of the "safest" neighborhoods. There are constant stories of people invading someone's home at night, killing the owners (mostly with knives), take whatever they can grab, and leave before the police show up. My parents have been robbed 3 times in a 15 year period, and they live in a "safe" neighborhood. They are just lucky they were never around when the house got robbed, otherwise they would be dead too.

Shall I tell you the story of a mother and her children who hid in the attic waiting for police to arrive? The intruder, armed with a crowbar, managed to break through multiple locked doors with his tool, barge his way into the attic, get shot 5 times in the chest, stumble back downstairs to his car, AND LEAVE before the police arrived.

Dont talk about what you dont understand.

Uh. What? How would guns even make any of that better?

You are right, that wife and her children being brutally murder by an intruder with a crowbar is so much better than her defending herself with a gun.

guns are an unfortunate neccessity. Yes, banning guns works in UK, im happy for you. Im not going to try to tell you that UK should stop. It wont work in the US. For one, it will cause extreme economic harm. Two, the police can not protect anyone, nor are they required to. Three, it will not stop criminals in the slightest. Four, people will die in droves from wildlife related incidents. More people die from deer in this country per year than mass shootings. Five, every single piece of evidence INSIDE the US shows that banning guns or restricting guns either makes crime WORSE or does nothing at all. It doesnt matter how gun control affects people in other countries, all that matters is how it affects ours. I live in a state with the stricest gun control laws in the country (about to get stricter, although i do agree with about half of the measures they are implementing), and it is one of the most dangerous states in the country.

If you remove the NEED for guns, then I would be much more persuaded. But so long as that need exists, banning guns is immoral, illogical, and irational

Once again...you've cited one anecdotal incident. A story. You've painted a picture of a nightmarish existence where everyone lives in fear because they don't have guns. I have a whole nation with no guns and where we don't live in fear. My example vastly trumps yours. Yeah, so, more people get stabbed. But we can work on that. Knives are tools for other purposes that just get blatantly misused.

Guns have no other purpose than to kill. You want guns to kill people. Keep citing self defence, my friend, but all I'm hearing is "People are bad and I deserve the ability to kill them."

you cited an example for your country, i cited one from mine.

which one carries more weight on how gun control affects my nation.

ill give you a hint, not yours.

does your nations suffer the same gang problems, has the same diverse population, organized crime, borders that make it impossible to stop illegal goods from getting in the country, population density across the nation, police response times, and a culture of mistrust towards law enforcement among certain communities due to the police being harsher on that community than normal?

if the answer to this question is no, then you have proven that you dont know anything about the gun issue IN AMERICA.

 

[Jedi-Hunter4]

Two, the police can not protect anyone, nor are they required to.

I've seen enough Cheesy cop shows to realise at least some American police must use the motto "to serve and protect".

Police can be defined as "The civil force of a federal or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order."

If you have laws against murder, rape, robbery, assault. I am fairly certain the police are required to "protect" you, it is essentially half of their job and that's not up for discussion, its a defined term.

Else there has been a gross miss labeling in America and you do not have any police.

 

[Ryotknife]

I would turn over my guns. I like my guns, but I don't need them. I don't even own them for a practical purpose like hunting or self defense. They are purely range weapons for me.

However, I would demand full compensation. Guns are expensive.

Finally a gun owner with a sensible and healthy attitude to firearms.

The purpose of them is to defend yourself from humans in your house trying to kill "you" I dont get why nobody seems to understand that on this site.

Again I live in the UK where you can only have a firearm for practical use's and its very hard to get one, and even then they are double barrel shot guns. Per person in the UK privately owned firearms are non existent.

How many times has anybody ever tried to kill me, any of my family or friends. NEVER. How many times in my lifetime have I heard of a school shooting. Never. Why? Because tools that can turn someone with no combat, martial arts or weapons training into a lethal killer that if your unarmed and untrained your essentially F'ed in the A. Are not readily available to anybody without a criminal record who is yet to show obvious signs of mental instability.

I know you are making a joke, but I live in one of the strictest gun control states in the US. We are constantly told to make sure all windows and doors are locked and to not go out at night because it is too dangerous. And i live in one of the "safest" neighborhoods. There are constant stories of people invading someone's home at night, killing the owners (mostly with knives), take whatever they can grab, and leave before the police show up. My parents have been robbed 3 times in a 15 year period, and they live in a "safe" neighborhood. They are just lucky they were never around when the house got robbed, otherwise they would be dead too.


Shall I tell you the story of a mother and her children who hid in the attic waiting for police to arrive? The intruder, armed with a crowbar, managed to break through multiple locked doors with his tool, barge his way into the attic, get shot 5 times in the chest, stumble back downstairs to his car, AND LEAVE before the police arrived.

All this tells us is you have a police force that is not doing its job properly. Not that the populace should be armed. I don't know where you are but its the police's job to protect people not theirs, whether the police are unable to fulfill their job either through lack of numbers, funding, inadequate laws to enable them to pursue crime effectively and so on. At least someone stands somewhat of a chance against a guy with a crowbar, would it really make you feel better to have a pistol when the criminals only have to rob someone with weapons while their out to access to assault weapons, shotguns and so on and their coming into your house with that. Or even would it even make you feel that much better to have the same weapon as the person breaking in? because if you want equal footing buy a crow bar or a knife, what does escalating the scales do but result in more death.

If things are so unsafe petition your local political representatives to sort the police out so you feel safe, form neighborhood watches so neighbourghs look out for each other and have a hotline to the police. I know its not as simple as that to achieve those things, but still, arming everyone to the teeth only is not really a good answer.

I get this great sense of egocentrism from people who claim they need guns or else the evil foreigners will invade, they'll be mugged because there's no other alternative to preventing crime than carrying a deadly firearm 24/7, or the big bad government will try to take-over.
This isn't the 1700s. You're not rebel colonials bravely fending off those who would make your life slightly uncomfortable.
Romanticizing about a civil war which is very unlikely to happen isn't exactly healthy, especially if you're a gun fanatic. It only prove the need to take your guns away, as you're clearly up for internal fighting.

BOOM, Head Shot. I get the irony but I couldn't resist.

The police job is to maintain order in society, not to protect its citizens. If someone commits a crime, they will investigate and go after them and make sure they wont harm anyone ELSE. But the fact remains, as the crime is being committed you are on your own. And yes, there have been multiple cases in multiple courts, including the Supreme Court, which says this.

Unless it is a high profile case like kidnaping, bank robbery, or hostage taking.

as the saying goes, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

and if you say "well, something should be done!", im just going to let you know that it is simply not feasible by a money perspective. Rural areas alone is impossible by any means. Police response times can be upwards of 30 minutes, but even if you levied a 100% tax on the people in those areas, you wouldnt be anywhere near a budget that can have a police response time of two minutes, let alone under.

In fact, with the cuts to the public sector it is going to get WORSE and you will be even more on your own.

EDIT: just in case you think im blowing smoke


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

police are law ENFORCERS. Dont get me wrong, I respect the police. They do the best job that they can do under the circumstances.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I am fairly certain the police are required to "protect" you, it is essentially half of their job and that's not up for discussion, its a defined term.

Ever heard of Warren v. District of Columbia. I'm going to assume not. Which is fine. But if you read that opinion, you'll realize that it's been long held that cops have no obligation to protect individuals. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip.

You're right about it not being up for discussion though. But only because it's the exact opposite of what you thought.

 

[theultimateend]

Well being an American I would probably do what every other American with a backbone would do and say pry it from my cold dead hand.

I'm about 98% sure that almost nobody would stick to this.

Funny thing about hobbies, if dying is the alternative to quitting your hobby, folks tend to just quit their hobby.

 

[Jedi-Hunter4]

why dont you ask a certain escapist poster about her incident and how she would have died if she didnt own a gun.

How about a mother who just lost her husband to cancer and now has to take care of her child alone when two armed men addicted to drugs invaded her home (even when she barricaded the door) to get at her deceased husband's leftover drugs and fended them off with a shotgun? Even the police dispatcher told her to do what she had to do to protect her family.

How about my FATHER who stopped two men who brutally raped and battered this poor woman from finishing the job when she managed to escape them and tumble/crawl to my father's property until the two men caught up to her again? The only reason she is alive is because my father came out to investigate the commotion/screams and had a shotgun at hand. He pointed it at the two men and told them not to move and had to wait 15 minutes for the police to arrive. Hell the poor woman is lucky to be alive, one of them had a bat and used it against her before she managed to escape.

I know the anti-american bigots like to think that american gun owners are just looking for an excuse to kill someone for fun, but that is not true. That woman trapped in the attic? Scared to hell. Even my father told me how even before this incident, the prospect of pointing a gun at someone scared the hell out of them. But he had one just in case something like this happen, where you have to do the right thing even if it scares you to death.

And how about the the 20 children who where butchered along with 6 adults in Connecticut, 100% avoidable if guns were illegal.

The Virginia Tech massacre 33 people dead , 100% avoidable if guns were illegal.

Or the numerous other school shootings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States it is frankly disgusting the state of gun control in america based off the history of school shootings alone, let alone the nation wide gun crime stats.

The situations you are stating are the exception. To be honest the more I hear the more it sounds like the main justification for gun ownership is an inept police unable to control the populace. But for some reason somewhere along the line someone has decided "I know rather than creating a police force that works and is able to protect the populace, lets allow them to arm themselves to the teeth and let them sort themselves out". How is that just logic.

Pointing out an inaccuracy in my own post earlier but actually didn't come to mind before. As a student I have had to live in a city that has a much higher crime rate than when I'm from. I was working in a store when it was robbed at knife point, I was threatened with a knife and he did threaten to stab me. I got away and called the police. Unfortunately while I was doing this the security gaurd confronted him (against procedure, but guy was a very brave individual and ex-military) unfortuantly the guard wound up hospitalized. Armed police with guns and dogs and an ambulance were there within 5 mins of me calling them. The guy did get away but was later caught and imprisoned. Would a gun have helped us there, yes, no one would of got hurt an the guy would of been caught in the act. But for someone else in the country, the guy robbing the store is the one with the gun, the police turn up or the robbery goes wrong, or the shop staff have a weapon, an someone is dead. Thats why I'm not screaming out about my right to have a fire arm. For each life it could possibly save, your dooming others to a violent and possibly unnecessary death.

Not everyone who rob's someone or commits a crime deserves to be killed either, because they are caught in the act by an armed individual without the training or powers of arrest to stop the crime using a weapon peacefully.

 

[RJ 17]

Well I don't own a gun, but hypothetically I'd do what I'd guess a large number of gun owners would: join the local militia because the day the US Government tries to round up and confiscate all guns is the day the Second American Civil War officially starts.