Poll: Let's settle something right now, can you defend yourself with a gun?
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I think we're going by "the best defence is a good offence".Katatori-kun said:
OT: I could defend myself with a gun, depending on the situation. If there was an intruder in my house, then yes I could. Well, not legally, but I have the ability to, as long as they aren't aware that I am armed and waiting. While I've never fired a real weapon, I have used air pistols and rifles, so I could certainly aim and land the first shot.
On the street however, I don't know if I could draw and fire a pistol before the other guy has seen me move and shot me. Depends entirely on the situation though.
Generally, if one is properly trained in its use, a gun is among the best personal defense tools around. Furthermore, it is more likely to end a conflict before anyone actually gets hurt than other self defense tools such as stun wands or pepper spray, few assailants give a shit if you wave a stick or spraycan at them, a gun is often the only thing they respect enough to actually back down.
Personally, better than most, but I would at minimum need a refresher course before attempting to carry.
Personally, better than most, but I would at minimum need a refresher course before attempting to carry.
Not necessarily. My mother scared off a would be rapist with an empty snubnose when she was young.adamsaccount said:
Yes.
As either a deterrent (point at and / or shooting to miss but frighten) or for actual defensive agression (shooting to wound, maim or kill) but, as several people have already touched on, in most cases the mere threat of a weapon is enough to deter most intruders. The majority are looking for an easy pushover, hence the number of cowardly fuckers who prey on old people.
Personally, if someone breaks into someone else's home then they deserve everything they get in my opinion. Intruder beaten with a cricket bat? Oh what a shame...what's that? Would be rapist shot in the testicles? Diddums.
Living in the UK, I am not allowed to have a gun because I am not a farmer or a gun-club member but, in the dark, I defy anyone not to spot that my airsoft Beretta aint the real deal! If someone were to break into my house would I use it? Too bloody right I would - I'd deal with the consequences later!
As either a deterrent (point at and / or shooting to miss but frighten) or for actual defensive agression (shooting to wound, maim or kill) but, as several people have already touched on, in most cases the mere threat of a weapon is enough to deter most intruders. The majority are looking for an easy pushover, hence the number of cowardly fuckers who prey on old people.
Personally, if someone breaks into someone else's home then they deserve everything they get in my opinion. Intruder beaten with a cricket bat? Oh what a shame...what's that? Would be rapist shot in the testicles? Diddums.
Living in the UK, I am not allowed to have a gun because I am not a farmer or a gun-club member but, in the dark, I defy anyone not to spot that my airsoft Beretta aint the real deal! If someone were to break into my house would I use it? Too bloody right I would - I'd deal with the consequences later!
Quick thing: to those who are saying that guns are not able to defend, I respond with saying "Prevention is a form of defense". Meaning if you can prevent someone from shooting you or your family or friends, I would consider that more defense than than any bullet-proof vest (both on the other hand is an amazing defense). This is in the same way you could use a shield to bash someone.
'Course you can. It's a fucking gun. That fact alone would frighten any burgler. In most cases with a gun in defense, you only have to fire once. If you miss, he will be scared and run away, and if you hit him, he's down for the count because y'know... It's a gun. Even weak ones can pack a punch.
Do criminals come up and truthfully announce their intentions to you? How are you supposed to tell the difference between a mugging and a rape until the time when drawing a gun is possible has passed? Maybe people should just not rob other people if they don't want to get shot...Trippy Turtle said:
That is complete nonsense. Guns are used in competitive shooting, hunting (unless you meant animals as well when you said kill), and target shooting.Aris Khandr said:
Yes I can defend myself with a gun. Why would I not be able to? It's legal for me to carry, and it's legal for me to shoot another in self defense. It is not legal, however, to use unnecesary force. Shooting a fleeing attacker in the back constitutes excessive force, and thus would not be legal. But I have every right and the ability to defend myself with a gun.
why is it murder? how do you know theyre unarmed? how do you know there isnt more than one person? there are far too many uncertainties for you to write off shooting a burglar as murderPreviouslyPwned said:
Am I CAPABLE of using a gun to defend myself? As in do I have the necessary training and understanding of guns to actually use one to suppress an individual or group of individuals I deem a threat to my personal safety? Yes, I do.
Would I ever use a gun again outside of ridiculous circumstances in which I have lost all manner of self control? absolutely not, I despise them, a singular purpose device such as that has no place in civilised society, and outside of the gun clubs, controlled environments where competetive target shooting takes place, there is absolutely no reason to own one.
I have been in plenty of fights, and to think that it would be possible that my opponent had a gun on them, I would be very hard pressed not to do something stupid, generally speaking when you fight someone it is fair, fists, knives, whatever, nothing too dangerous, someone pulls a gun and it is suddenly a fight to the death, because there is no way you leave an avenue open for that person to be able to use that weapon.
There is no way it would ever be worth going back there, things get too messed up, neither side wins.
Would I ever use a gun again outside of ridiculous circumstances in which I have lost all manner of self control? absolutely not, I despise them, a singular purpose device such as that has no place in civilised society, and outside of the gun clubs, controlled environments where competetive target shooting takes place, there is absolutely no reason to own one.
I have been in plenty of fights, and to think that it would be possible that my opponent had a gun on them, I would be very hard pressed not to do something stupid, generally speaking when you fight someone it is fair, fists, knives, whatever, nothing too dangerous, someone pulls a gun and it is suddenly a fight to the death, because there is no way you leave an avenue open for that person to be able to use that weapon.
There is no way it would ever be worth going back there, things get too messed up, neither side wins.
this isnt call of duty mate. you never know if there is just one burglar and houses are not places in which you can generally be "flanked." just saying. which is why when it comes to crimes being committed against you such as burglary or assault, you shoot first and ask questions later. there is not time to think about the situation beyond "this guys in front of me does not belong in my house and is threatening, therefore I should remove the problem." Removing the problem could simply require pointing a gun, or firing a warning shot. Unfortunately, some burglars dont get gist of things the first time, and therefore must be taken care of in a more forceful manner.Vegosiux said:
I wouldn't know whether or not this is Call of Duty, since I never played that junk, but I'll give you +1 brownie points for trying to pull that on me, quite ballsy. And what do you mean "there's no time to think"? You don't actually start thinking until you're face to face with the burglar or something?the doom cannon said:
I've been taught how to use a gun (parents being a Combat Medic and a SWAT Captain) but I'd still rather defend myself with someone that isn't as lethal. Especially in my state (New Jersey), in order to shoot an intruder you need to:
1. Give the person warning that you have a loaded firearm
2. Find if the intruder's intention is deadly
3. Give warning you intent to use lethal force
4. Give the intruder enough time to decide their action
5 (if they decide to leave). If they retreat, you must allow them to, you cannot fire on them if their back is turn
5 (if they decide to stay). Again warn them you are going to us lethal force and fire at them aiming for upper chest area.
In short, there is a multi-step way to defend yourself in my state, so it'd be better if I just rush them with a knife or a bat.
1. Give the person warning that you have a loaded firearm
2. Find if the intruder's intention is deadly
3. Give warning you intent to use lethal force
4. Give the intruder enough time to decide their action
5 (if they decide to leave). If they retreat, you must allow them to, you cannot fire on them if their back is turn
5 (if they decide to stay). Again warn them you are going to us lethal force and fire at them aiming for upper chest area.
In short, there is a multi-step way to defend yourself in my state, so it'd be better if I just rush them with a knife or a bat.