Poll: Male reproductive rights

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Here's the reality, when men can't afford to raise their children, they are punished. When women can't afford to raise their children, they are given welfare.

Child support is set at a percentage of income so it is never beyond their means. The women are given welfare for the child not themselves.

 

[michiehoward]

I dont gave a crap if theres a mother and father,mother,father,Mr.Mom and Dad or two moms... The only thing that matters is that person or people have the nowhow and understand the responsibility of taking care of a child. If you want to make a law that test people and give them a card of some sort stating they have the capability being a mother or father then that would work for my anyways..

 

[JMeganSnow]

Whilst I feel that your idea of the man being able to force an abortion (or indeed legally stop one happening) is frankly ludicrous, I'll always support a law that would essentially state that a father who immediately opts-out of his part in the pregnancy should not have anything to do with the child. So, no financial child support required.

It's then the woman's own fault for not having an abortion if she doesn't want to raise the child alone.

Women have other options than abortion, too, it's not like she's helpless. But yes, this is the way it should be. Everyone involved has options and may act according to their best judgment of what they want for their life. No involuntary servitude is inflicted on ANYONE by this model. The man isn't treated as the woman's property and the woman isn't treated as an incubation machine.

 

[Madara XIII]

There shouldn't be laws to protect us guys from our own inability to control our urges.

Hear, hear. Laws that protect people from the stupidity of others, fine and necessary. Laws that protect people from themselves, Darwin is crying.

Yeah! Don't you monsters dare make Darwin Cry =(

Natural Selection is a beautiful and sometimes funny thing. Seriously not being sarcastic here. I completely agree.

 

[Alex Gray]

Here's the reality, when men can't afford to raise their children, they are punished. When women can't afford to raise their children, they are given welfare.

Child support is set at a percentage of income so it is never beyond their means.

Perhaps that's what the text of the law says. Any engineer can tell you that even the most rigid specifications cannot eliminate wiggle room and the possibility of error in the implementation phase, and any lawyer can tell you how hard it is to make legal documents truly rigid and unambiguous no matter how many pages of text you throw at them.

 

[Gurppa]

This thread is a tl;dr for me. I read the first page though.

First of all, wear your own freaking condom if you're doing one night stands. Second, if you're dating/otherwise know each other, there's this thing that adult people do.. You know, talk?

Okay, if you have had this diabolical woman who says she's on the pill if she's not, breaks your condoms or what ever, I think that it would be rational to not have to pay alimony (not sure about different laws on alimony) if you DON'T want to have the baby in the first place, and was tricked into it.

otherwise? Just freaking talk about it. Get another man if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to have a baby, but your man doesn't.

If you're a man and REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY don't want to have a baby, and she wants and won't stop nagging about it (nagging is not talking, women), get another woman.

 

[Epona]

Here's the reality, when men can't afford to raise their children, they are punished. When women can't afford to raise their children, they are given welfare.

Child support is set at a percentage of income so it is never beyond their means.

LOL, yeah right. Child support is alot more complicated than that. A court can set child support based on your POTENTIAL.

In other words, if a court decides you could be making $100,000 a year they could set the amount based on a percentage of that. That percentage could be more than you make at your current job. Further, child support doesn't take into account any abnormality you may have. Let's say you get laid off because the economy sucks, because your city got flooded or whatever, the child support will build up and if in three months you don't pay...you could be in jail or have your license suspended making it even harder to pay said child support.

Luckily I have never been in such a position but it could happen to me as I have seen it happen to others.

So again, LOL, yeah right!

 

[Madara XIII]

I'm amazed at how many people are actually voting yes for this...

Honestly can you believe this?! Don't make the mistake of letting it out of your pants guys! Jesus Mother Mary Magdelin Christ on a wafer!!

What do you think about this Noob?

 

[Mallefunction]

As a woman, I can say that the pill doesn't always work. I was on it for over 3 months and it gave me horrible headaches. All women react to it differently and it's not always something that they want to take or even can.

Should I be in constant pain just because my lover doesn't want to wear a condom? Remember, a condom only is used for a few minutes, the pill HAS to be taken every day without fail. Even just a week or two off it will mess up the cycle. A man doesn't CONSTANTLY have to think about something like that (only when he's sticking it in) so why should the entire responsibility for preventing pregnancy fall to the woman?

Ultimately, this kind of thing will never work. You are proposing something to cover a matter that really is a case by case basis.

You know why we have courts in this country? It's because not every crime has a clear motive and answer. It's the same with sex. Not every couple is going to be in the same situation with pregnancy. Stop being so selfish. If you're worried about it, maybe you should talk with your girlfriend and be open about how you feel about pregnancy and the like.

Like normal people? Sound good?

 

[RachaelIsaacHill]

Here's the reality, when men can't afford to raise their children, they are punished. When women can't afford to raise their children, they are given welfare.

Child support is set at a percentage of income so it is never beyond their means.

Perhaps that's what the text of the law says. Any engineer can tell you that even the most rigid specifications cannot eliminate wiggle room and the possibility of error in the implementation phase.

Indeed. 1/3 of your income is still a lot, especially considering when a lot of times the one paying support is also at least raising the child themselves part-time.

 

[Erana]

I have this strange feeling that the people arguing for this don't have any idea what it means for a parent to skip out on their obligation to the family because they just don't feel like it.

Child support isn't some punishment for banging the wrong person, its to take care of the fucking child.
Its morally reprehensible to not put their well being first. Both for the mother and the father. Granted, sometimes putting a child up for adoption is the honest best chance a child has, but in these situations, where's the father?

As for a woman's right to adopt out a child in general, that's something that's been going on for as long as the human race has existed, and its best to do some historical research to find out how and why it got to be as it is now before making your opinion all willy-nilly.

 

[RachaelIsaacHill]

Here's the reality, when men can't afford to raise their children, they are punished. When women can't afford to raise their children, they are given welfare.

Child support is set at a percentage of income so it is never beyond their means.

LOL, yeah right. Child support is alot more complicated than that. A court can set child support based on your POTENTIAL.

In other words, if a court decides you could be making $100,000 a year they could set the amount based on a percentage of that. That percentage could be more than you make at your current job. Further, child support doesn't take into account any abnormality you may have. Let's say you get laid off because the economy sucks, because your city got flooded or whatever, the child support will build up and if in three months you don't pay...you could be in jail or have your license suspended making it even harder to pay said child support.

Luckily I have never been in such a position but it could happen to me as I have seen it happen to others.

So again, LOL, yeah right!

This happened to my father almost word-for-word. He worked for the government, so his projected income was wonky and the child support was much more than the standard 1/3. Then his job got outsourced a few years back, and the amount he was expected to pay didn't change.

 

[aei_haruko]

umm...
Interesting? why is it that people don't think that when 2 different genetic materials come together , that it's not a new life? I think the father should have some say, because pregnancy shouldn't be controlled entirely by women. I think however, that any drunk sex is rape, because the woman didn't know what she was getting into ( or the man for that matter)So why should the child be punished for the choices of other people?
Like, if a guy does something stupid, and has sex without a condom, what should the kid be punished for? On another note, HELL NO! There shouldn't be a contract for an act of love, ( this includes marriage, they need to call 2 people in union with eachother a civil union, marriage is a sacred practicce in some faiths, this way gays can be "together")
anyhoo...
so yeah, no contract, but the husband and wife need to have complete agreement on something before any choice is made, but a contract? No

 

[Alex Gray]

Not directly quoting ST so that she doesn't keep getting pinged, but it bears mentioning that just because something is legal where you do it, that doesn't mean it isn't still career-ending blackmail material when you get home, and professionals in those sorts of activities are generally well aware of that. And the people who have the means to generate enough repeat business of that sort to engender any sort of customer care also have the means to buy the necessary protection to their reputation, if it's even something they need to worry about any more.

 

[Epona]

I have this strange feeling that the people arguing for this don't have any idea what it means for a parent to skip out on their obligation to the family because they just don't feel like it.

Child support isn't some punishment for banging the wrong person, its to take care of the fucking child.
Its morally reprehensible to not put their well being first. Both for the mother and the father. Granted, sometimes putting a child up for adoption is the honest best chance a child has, but in these situations, where's the father?

As for a woman's right to adopt out a child, that's something that's been going on for as long as the human race has existed, and its best to do some historical research to find out how and why it got to be as it is now before making your opinion all willy-nilly.

Child support is the new alimony, if it's to take care of the fuckin' child (as you say), why can the mother spend the money any way she likes?

If it's ok to spend the money on electricity and water then why isn't the mother paying the father some child support back when he has the child at his house?

No, child support is just another form of alimony. A transference of wealth.

 

[aei_haruko]

As a woman, I can say that the pill doesn't always work. I was on it for over 3 months and it gave me horrible headaches. All women react to it differently and it's not always something that they want to take or even can.

Should I be in constant pain just because my lover doesn't want to wear a condom? Remember, a condom only is used for a few minutes, the pill HAS to be taken every day without fail. Even just a week or two off it will mess up the cycle. A man doesn't CONSTANTLY have to think about something like that (only when he's sticking it in) so why should the entire responsibility for preventing pregnancy fall to the woman?

Ultimately, this kind of thing will never work. You are proposing something to cover a matter that really is a case by case basis.

You know why we have courts in this country? It's because not every crime has a clear motive and answer. It's the same with sex. Not every couple is going to be in the same situation with pregnancy. Stop being so selfish. If you're worried about it, maybe you should talk with your girlfriend and be open about how you feel about pregnancy and the like.

Like normal people? Sound good?

I agree with this one ( seriously girl, you have it ON)
I think that We as guys should take responsibility for our childer as well.
Now I agree with the point that one should talk with their significant other, we need to have dioulauge in order to protect the kid. I agree, sounds VERY good

 

[Alex Gray]

I have this strange feeling that the people arguing for this don't have any idea what it means for a parent to skip out on their obligation to the family because they just don't feel like it.

Child support isn't some punishment for banging the wrong person, its to take care of the fucking child.
Its morally reprehensible to not put their well being first. Both for the mother and the father. Granted, sometimes putting a child up for adoption is the honest best chance a child has, but in these situations, where's the father?

Excellent, this is an angle I had been meaning to play up. Unless you are very fortunate both financially and in your relationship with both your spouse and your child, having a child essentially means throwing away your old life and trying to muddle through a new, completely different one. I can't imagine how single parents manage it. Hence my position that more should be done to take sex and the desire thereof out of the average person's equation entirely (if they so desire it, of course).

 

[Epona]

Here's the reality, when men can't afford to raise their children, they are punished. When women can't afford to raise their children, they are given welfare.

Child support is set at a percentage of income so it is never beyond their means.

LOL, yeah right. Child support is alot more complicated than that. A court can set child support based on your POTENTIAL.

In other words, if a court decides you could be making $100,000 a year they could set the amount based on a percentage of that. That percentage could be more than you make at your current job. Further, child support doesn't take into account any abnormality you may have. Let's say you get laid off because the economy sucks, because your city got flooded or whatever, the child support will build up and if in three months you don't pay...you could be in jail or have your license suspended making it even harder to pay said child support.

Luckily I have never been in such a position but it could happen to me as I have seen it happen to others.

So again, LOL, yeah right!

This happened to my father almost word-for-word. He worked for the government, so his projected income was wonky and the child support was much more than the standard 1/3. Then his job got outsourced a few years back, and the amount he was expected to pay didn't change.

Indeed, it's pathetic that so many support treating men as slaves for committing the crime of having sex that resulted in pregnancy.

 

[Yorkshire_matt]

The mother should retain the right to bare a child if she chooses, there will be always dads who skip responsibility and yet there are some men that will take the child of another as his own for the love of the childs mother