Poll: Man of science/ Man of fate

[yoyo13rom]

[HEADING=1]This is not a VS thread! I repeat: NOT a VS thread[/HEADING]
I want to know what kind of a person are you(yes you can only chose between these 2 categories, not there is no C option)
[HEADING=2]And what made you a spiritual/rational person?[/HEADING]
What life experience(s) made you the person you are today?
I believe that one is entitled to his own life perspective, and should not be mocked(or persuaded to change his beliefs) for for them(no matter how right or wrong he might be).

I had no great spiritual inclinations, till the day I planed to kill my girl friend. That day before setting my plan in motion I went like :"God, if you exist, this is the one time you need to shine! It's show time". That day a series of coincidences led to the plan failing, and everything turned out just fine for everyone. I won't go into details. Yes, it may have all been coincidence, but this could have went down really, really bad for me and for my ex.
I still don't believed much in miracles, but I an weird way, I feel more comfortable believing in a higher being, and in the fact that some things are destined. I'm not one of those goons("burn all gays!", "you'll forever be damned if you do X") , and I respect science and actually have a small passion for physics and maths, but I feel much better believing in spiritual stuff, than disregarding it totally(I'm still a sceptic regarding any mystical thing, and usually end up considering it fake, but if you boil it down I'm more spiritual that rational)

Final note: [HEADING=2]I repeat, I have no intention of stating a science vs fate war here. I just want to know how did you end up on one side or and other of the spectrum.[/HEADING]
*side notes
Ok, I really hope this doesn't get locked down.
I put in the poll anyway, even tough I know the results.
This thread title was inspired by an episode of LOST.

 

[Subzerowings]

I'd start by saying that it's a man of faith and not a man of fate.
Furthermore, I am a man of neither faith or science.
I'm a man of useless rationalizing.
I can't bring myself to believe a flawed concept. Since both science and faith are constructs of man, they're flawed.

 

[Marter]

I'm a logical person, so I suppose out of the two, I'd be a man of science.

I can't believe that with all the crap that goes on in the world, there is some diety out there allowing it to go on.

 

[Icecoldcynic]

I had no great spiritual inclinations, till the day I planed to kill my girl friend.

Is this a true story?

And I suppose since I've never had any belief in religion (or fate) that would make me a man of science, although I hardly consider myself as such.

 

[nick n stuff]

science. it is explained. i'm black and white in my ways and if i cant see logic i refuse to see the point

 

[Billion Backs]

This kind of is a VS thread.

I'm for science. For all I care, spirituality is full of itself, meaningless and is largely a delusion people create to provide some kind of a deeper reason to live aside from just living.

I don't think it's somehow fine and dandy to believe into something because it makes you feel better. No. Look into the cold barrel of facts and reflect upon yourself and all you hold sacred. You're nothing but decaying organic mess like everyone else.

Oh I love the nihilist in me.

As "fate" goes, it's pretty likely that we don't have what we call free will anyways. But from what it seems you've used "fate" in a completely different meaning there.

Many of my more positive sides of personality still remain huge skeptics of anything.

There's no single life experience that made me the way I am, and I don't quite care to write a whole fucking memoir about it.

 

[neoontime]

i suppose i can be both since i think i need to really on each at times.
Also, yay for Lost inspired threads.

 

[busterkeatonrules]

Ever been to church? I lost my faith in religion because I was subjected to it from an early age. I find that religious stuff is boring and makes no sense. Science is usually the opposite.

 

[Georgie_Leech]

I credit Magic School Bus for getting me interested in science. I credit Bill Nye for getting me more interested in the facts side of it. I credit learning about science for learning about the universal laws of physics. I credit these laws for giving me an amazing feeling: that everything in the universe obeys the same laws; that everything, whether as insignificant as an dust or as seemingly complex as a person are, at the most basic level, made of the same stuff. That everything in the universe came from the same origin, and follows the same law.

Come to think of it, that sounds a lot like most religions.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I am a man of fate!

 

[feynman_Lord_of_the_quantum]

because anything that forbids/restricts me from answering questions can fuck off

was raised in a household with no "real" faith when I found out there was no Santa at age 8 i heavily questioned the concept of religion, although I was say "required" to go to church once a mouth as I was a member of the scouts after one of these long laborious Sunday church sessions i went up to the vicar and asked him why believe something if there is no proof, after that discussion (answer: faith), we went down the route of questioning why he didn't believe in Thor, Wotan, Zeus and so on and so forth(i liked my classical Greece as a kid and Viking, Viking's were cool), then it came down to the questioning the similarity between Jesus and Horace(mum was really into Egyptology). long story short next scouts meeting the arkala (head scout) told my parents it might be best not to come on Sundays any more =)

i also hate the intolerance that religions ignite between each others, the way they hold to the old ways so and restrict scientific progress, the human rights violations they have committed, the fact that they can be used to excuse the most horrible actions. But most of all I can never "believe" in some logical fallacy just because some two thousand year old book says too, But the thing is people do i know people on my degree (BSc. physics if you were wondering); one of whom said to me once "believing is more important than logic" he is a complete failure of a scientist. oh and Christians who haven't read the bible but claim that its all true that also annoys me lots.

have some quotes rather relevant to this

Carl Sagan: You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe.

Galileo Galilei:I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.

P.s
although I admit this is a blatant and unapologetic attack against Christianity it is the most prominent one I am surrounded by, however i would more than happily ague along against any of ,the major religion or anything that promotes ignorance and bigotry in this most modern of worlds in which we live.

 

[arcticphoenix95]

man of science and logic.

 

[spartan231490]

I just wont demean myself, or shirk my own responsibility for my choices by believing in fate.

 

[crudus]

I am a man of science! However that doesn't mean I am not spiritual. I guess I would be classified as a Greek druid or a Wiccan with Greek influences(From what I have read these are the closest to what I am but I think Wicca is closer). I really don't want to get into why I am this way since it is a very personal story that I have yet to come to terms with.

 

[Cheery Lunatic]

I guess when it boils down to it, I'm more of a person of faith than of science.

I'm not one of those people that place all the evils of the world on God or the devil, but I do end up seeing life more spiritually (or so to speak).

I used to hate being Catholic because all the prayers, the rosary, whatever, was drilled into my head since I was a little tot (srsly, I don't remember a time I didn't know my Our Father), but I've become more moderate. I'm still not really "sold" on my religion (i.e. I think reincarnation is a possibility), but I've grown to accept my religion.

 

[GrinningManiac]

I think science just keeps getting more and more abstract until eventually I start to think "They're clutching at straws here. SOMETHING must have created this!"

For example, the Big Bang. The theory is correct, no doubts there, but things get a little weird when you say...

"What happened BEFORE the Big Bang?"
"Nothing. THere was no time, so there was no before"
"But then how did the big bang happen? It couldn't happen in a linear fashion without time..."
"Uh..."
"Mabye time came into being a split-second before the Bang?"
"BUT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A SPLIT-SECOND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TIME!!"
"AAARGH, MY BRAIN!!!"

So I guess that creation is involved somewhere

Also, for the majority (ignore the lunatics), Religion makes many people happy and spreads decent, common-sense-based morals

 

[DefunctTheory]

I believe in God, but I suppose science holds more sway over my thought process.

I guess I go both ways. (Ha!)

EDIT: Also, if you had to ask God to stop you from killing someone, you have issues. Serious, serious issues.

 

[Hurray Forums]

I am a person of logic and fact.
I think its because from a young age I was interested in histroy and I read about what humanity have accomplished on their own, not thanks to a deity or magic, humanity got to where it is on it's own.

All advancement was based around the factual world around us.

While I suppose I'm still somewhat open to faith and fate as a possibility(it's hard to rule on anything with certainty in such a confusing universe) I prefer the rational for pretty much this reason. To look at all that humanity has done, bad or good, and just call it "fate" or "magic" seems like ignoring or making a mockery of humanity's colossal effort/will towards existence and controlling their own destiny. Things might not always work out the way we want, but I think that has more to do with the naturally flawed state of being human rather than being controlled by fate or an invisible being. I don't know, I find the idea of all life just being a divine script played out by unwitting actors repulsive.