Poll: Man of science/ Man of fate

[GrinningManiac]

I guess when it boils down to it, I'm more of a person of faith than of science.

I'm not one of those people that place all the evils of the world on God or the devil, but I do end up seeing life more spiritually (or so to speak).

I used to hate being Catholic because all the prayers, the rosary, whatever, was drilled into my head since I was a little tot (srsly, I don't remember a time I didn't know my Our Father), but I've become more moderate. I'm still not really "sold" on my religion (i.e. I think reincarnation is a possibility), but I've grown to accept my religion.

This to a WORD

I also like being Catholic because it allows me to play up the "Minority card". It's like being black or Jewish around here (Protestant England FTW), so I can adopt an air of cultural mystique.

Plus, people associate it with the Irish, and the Irish are cool

 

[Xojins]

I wouldn't consider myself a man of just one of those. I believe in science but I do also think there are things science can't/doesn't explain very well, so there are other forces we don't know about in the universe.

 

[LockeDown]

I am a man of reason and logic; I am also a man of science, insomuch as I am a Physics student. However, that said, i believe your premise is flawed. I think there is a place for both cold logic and faith in humanity, and I lament deeply the party lines that have been drawn over the years in an attempt to divide the two.

I don't think we need to get into some sort of existential debate here, nor should we be trying to recreate the now-decades-old debate over the validity of the Big Bang Theory.

 

[aww yea]

man of fate myself..

not entirely sure why, i guess the more i knew about the world and the more i learnt the more i felt like there was something else going on.

ALSO i watch a shit-load of anime and have done from a young age. i feel like that might of had an effect

 

[yoyo13rom]

I had no great spiritual inclinations, till the day I planed to kill my girl friend.

Is this a true story?

And I suppose since I've never had any belief in religion (or fate) that would make me a man of science, although I hardly consider myself as such.

Sadly, yes. In my defence I only planned it, ever got to do anything proper + I had a motif.
My ex was suicidal(even after half of year of me taking her to therapy, of me crying my guts out to emotionally make her wanna live; even after making her feel guilty for slicing her rests every once a while, she still was like :"you don't deserve me, the world doesn't deserve me! One of these days when everything will be right, I get to finally kill myself and spear you of the sad memory of our relationship") Well maybe those weren't the exact worlds, but that was the idea.
So after failing to help her(I have a "MR. Fix-it" complex), I began to slide into depression, and start considering offing myself. When I realised she was the cause of my "problems"(this was like 3 week after we broke off, I think I did it in a harsh way:"if you don't love yourself, the you don't love me! Should you ever become a normal person, I'll regard you as a human, till then we're done!"), I considered killing her. I my obsession of helping this poor soul would have been rendered dead, and she would have gotten what she always wanted, "a way out of this world".

In the end, my plan failed(thank God!) and after 3 years of therapy I'm over her, and over my obsessive, pathological helping habits. Oh, and when I stumbled across her, half a year ago, she was with this guy(a pupil of my mother's) and she seem rather happy. And this guy told my mom that she's never been happier in her life, since they're together.
So in the end everyone's happy.

*on a side note: sorry for not making too much sense, when I remember that part of my life my thoughts just shatter to pieces.

 

[teisjm]

how do i phrase it... I am bound by fate to belive in science, just to piss peopel off

 

[Valkyrie101]

Science, I don't believe fate exists as a tangible force. It's simply impossible according to every known and tested law of science.

 

[Nickolai77]

I had no great spiritual inclinations, till the day I planed to kill my girl friend. That day before setting my plan in motion I went like :"God, if you exist, this is the one time you need to shine! It's show time". That day a series of coincidences led to the plan failing, and everything turned out just fine for everyone. I won't go into details. Yes, it may have all been coincidence, but this could have went down really, really bad for me and for my ex.

Am i missing something here, or am i the only one concerned about this?


Erm, on topic.

I'm a man of reason and science. I'm a young educated 21st century Briton, i think that goes some way by itself as to explaining my philosophical beliefs. To me, knowledge comes through the senses, and not through faith in holy books of dubious truthfullness. The only things we can be certain off is the objective emprical world, anything else is uncertain, and probably best to assume that it doesn't exist.

 

[Axolotl]

Neither I am my own person and define myself accordingly.

 

[Axolotl]

The only things we can be certain off is the objective emprical world, anything else is uncertain, and probably best to assume that it doesn't exist.

If something is uncertain then it's best to assume it doesn't exist?
That's more a bizarre parody of empiricism than anything else.

 

[Nickolai77]

The only things we can be certain off is the objective emprical world, anything else is uncertain, and probably best to assume that it doesn't exist.

If something is uncertain then it's best to assume it doesn't exist?
That's more a bizarre parody of empiricism than anything else.

I was thinking in terms of God, or perhaps ghosts and little green men.

For instance, you carn't show that God does not exist with empirical evidence. If i make the claim there there is a pink zebra in the room you can empircally check that claim to be false. But you carn't really do that with God, you carn't go around expecting to find empirical evidence that directly proves or disproves Gods existance. A strictly rational person would not say we can conclusivly and with certainty prove or disprove Gods existance with emprical evidence. All we can do is say that its highly unlikely that God exists because of the strong absence of evidence in favour of Gods existance. Hence, its technically uncertain that God exists or doesnt exist, but due to the absence of evidence in favour of Gods existance its highly likely he doesn't exist.

 

[yoyo13rom]

Am i missing something here, or am i the only one concerned about this?


Erm, on topic.

I'm a man of reason and science. I'm a young educated 21st century Briton, i think that goes some way by itself as to explaining my philosophical beliefs. To me, knowledge comes through the senses, and not through faith in holy books of dubious truthfullness. The only things we can be certain off is the objective emprical world, anything else is uncertain, and probably best to assume that it doesn't exist.

I know the whole "I became spiritual when I tried to kill someone" makes sound really, insane and sick. But trust me it's sounds a lost worse than it actually was.

Ubershort version: She was suicidal, she drove me insane with love, she broke my heart, I figured that by killing her she'd be happy, and I'd feel better.
In the end, shit(miracle/coincidences) happened and no one got hurt. I went to therapy(voluntarily, I mean you know there's something wrong up there, when you wish and plan to kill someone), took meds, 3 years passed, I'm A ok. + She came to her senses and dropped the suicidal thinking after meting a cool guy(not me). Don't know what he did to make her better, but it's a good thing he was better than me[I took her to a shrink, and expressed my love for her with tears in my eyes, and tried to talk her into ending her suicidal ways(wrist slicing, 13 attempts to off herself in 3 years, depression, and starving herself to death)].

So in the end, 3 years later everyone's happy, and no one knows about my dark secret except my ex-shrink, myself and family, and you guys.

 

[Nickolai77]

Am i missing something here, or am i the only one concerned about this?


Erm, on topic.

I'm a man of reason and science. I'm a young educated 21st century Briton, i think that goes some way by itself as to explaining my philosophical beliefs. To me, knowledge comes through the senses, and not through faith in holy books of dubious truthfullness. The only things we can be certain off is the objective emprical world, anything else is uncertain, and probably best to assume that it doesn't exist.

I know the whole "I became spiritual when I tried to kill someone" makes sound really, insane and sick. But trust me it's sounds a lost worse than it actually was.

Ubershort version: She was suicidal, she drove me insane with love, she broke my heart, I figured that by killing her she'd be happy, and I'd feel better.
In the end, shit(miracle/coincidences) happened and no one got hurt. I went to therapy(voluntarily, I mean you know there's something wrong up there, when you wish and plan to kill someone), took meds, 3 years passed, I'm A ok. + She came to her senses and dropped the suicidal thinking after meting a cool guy(not me). Don't know what he did to make her better, but it's a good thing he was better than me[I took her to a shrink, and expressed my love for her with tears in my eyes, and tried to talk her into ending her suicidal ways(wrist slicing, 13 attempts to off herself in 3 years, depression, and starving herself to death)].

So in the end, 3 years later everyone's happy, and no one knows about my dark secret except my ex-shrink, myself and family, and you guys.

Woah, if you became famous and wrote an autobiography with that part of your life included, i'd buy it- sounds like something from an epic novel.

Being serious now, i'm glad to hear you've resolved your crisis and come to terms with it- i couldn't imagine the mental turmoil you must have experienced- but, like you say, its all resolved, your right to be thankful for that.

It's funny how your deepest, most personal secrets come about on the internet isn't it?