Poll: Man of Steel; Why the hatred?

[DoPo]

Oh goodie - you are complaining about the single most defining feature of the Superman movies that is constantly being picked on all the time right down to this day by pretty much anybody who cares to mention Superman 2. So how is this working out for you then?

It's not JUST that. There's other stuff too. The whole "render objects weightless just by touching them instead of having actual super strength" thing is a good example.

Which is also the most oft cited example of "comic book physics". So I don't get your point - people aren't complaining about...the things they...complain the...most about? You can see how confusing this sounds, right?

No, they all are. Those things did not happen by accident. People were paid a lot of money to make those things happen. Writers had to determine Kal-El's age and then script dialogue to exposit it; props and effects had to be created for the I-beams, and a crew had to spend time setting up the camera to be beneath Henry Cavill and pointing up at an angle that would create the illusion that something whose weight was in front of him was at a downward angle behind him; people had to rig a harness to make him float out into space, and when the actor held his arms out to the side, the director had to coach him on how to do it right. Further, they almost definitely did multiple takes of all of these things. They were included with a purpose.

I just don't understand your basis for dismissing these things.

My basis for dismissing them is that not a single one of them has anything to do with Jesus

And this is an outright lie, of course. How exactly can you say in a straight face that a dude that is 33 years old and ready to die for humanity is NOT a thinly veiled allegory for Jesus is beyond me. Thing that is reinforced by Jesus-y imagery, too. The only way to make it more obvious would be if people started seeing Superman's face on toast.

 

[King Aragorn]

Yep i'm completely serious. The one people go on about, the Harvey Dent one and how they didn't just throw that shit at Joker, there was a huge public scene made out of the whole ordeal, it was at a different time and Joker was found by the SWAT team. The whole ferry thing? it would be an obvious cover up, but Batman? people would have bought it.

Also when it comes to breaking the cardinal rule: that isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing. Superman does break his rule in some stories, and it's a big deal. Entire story arcs are made out of that one event, but the problem here is how the aftermath of the neck snap is handled.

 

[NihilSinLulz]

Yep i'm completely serious. The one people go on about, the Harvey Dent one and how they didn't just throw that shit at Joker, there was a huge public scene made out of the whole ordeal, it was at a different time and Joker was found by the SWAT team. The whole ferry thing? it would be an obvious cover up, but Batman? people would have bought it.

Also when it comes to breaking the cardinal rule: that isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing. Superman does break his rule in some stories, and it's a big deal. Entire story arcs are made out of that one event, but the problem here is how the aftermath of the neck snap is handled.

What most people forget is that Superman broke his 'cardinal rule' when he fought Zod and friends in the original movie (the Donner cut makes it more obvious) and it wasn't a big deal or even mentioned. He's also unapologetically killed all sorts of other enemies, even in the cartoon series. He only doesn't kill human enemies because they'd fall under U.S jurisdiction.

 

[JimB]

I just don't understand your basis for dismissing these things.

My basis for dismissing them is that not a single one of them has anything to do with Jesus.

Okay, I'll bite. What do they have to do with, then?

 

[xshadowscreamx]

I liked the movie, I did don't think it was that grim, I have seen plenty of grim movies like 'martyrs'. There was always hope in this movie. My points are pretty much angry joes points.

 

[DoPo]

I just don't understand your basis for dismissing these things.

My basis for dismissing them is that not a single one of them has anything to do with Jesus.

Okay, I'll bite. What do they have to do with, then?

Duh, isn't the answer obvious? It's "not-Jesus". They are all references to not-Jesus. And you know what the name of not-Jesus is? The antichrist. So yes - it is clearly evident now - Superman is Satan. What did you thing the S on his chest stands for?

 

[JimB]

I just don't understand your basis for dismissing these things.

My basis for dismissing them is that not a single one of them has anything to do with Jesus.

Okay, I'll bite. What do they have to do with, then?

Duh, isn't the answer obvious? It's "not-Jesus". They are all references to not-Jesus. And you know what the name of not-Jesus is? The Antichrist. So yes--it is clearly evident now--Superman is Satan. What did you think the S on his chest stands for?

That's funny, and I'm actually going to use that joke the next time I get a chance, but I'd still like to hear if Doublegee has an actual answer other than "Nope!"

 

[KazeAizen]

it definitely sunk an otherwise good movie Frozen

Opinions will be opinions but honestly your going to try and discredit Frozen? Disney's greatest triumph since The Lion King? I think you are selling that one short. I'm not responding to your next reply.

 

[Zontar]

The Lion King sucks WAAAAY more than people want to admit...

THANK YOU. Every time I try to tell someone this I keep getting flak. People talk about how great that movie is all the time without giving any actual reasons why. Hell, have you see the reactions people who make reviews that are negative about it are? You'd think it was a religion or something.

 

[JimB]

I'm curious to know, what are your complaints against the Lion King? Apart from hating "Hakuna Matata" with every fiber of my being and thinking it was really unfortunate they cast two different white people to play Simba, I quite like it.

 

[Meinos Kaen]

Huuu, why isn't there an option to say 'I saw it and I hated it'? This way you make it sound like only people who did not see it could hate Man of Steel. Believe, it's not like that.

 

[tippy2k2]

Huuu, why isn't there an option to say 'I saw it and I hated it'? This way you make it sound like only people who did not see it could hate Man of Steel. Believe, it's not like that.

Maybe I'm confused by your question but there is an option for that. Basically the options are (in order on the poll):

Loved it
Liked it
Indifferent/Neutral/Didn't love it but didn't hate it either
Didn't like it
Hated it
Did not see
Other

The poll asks a different question than the name of the topic so maybe that's where some confusion popped in?

 

[Ieyke]

The Lion King sucks WAAAAY more than people want to admit...which why I find it kinda interesting/funny that they're getting the comparisons. Both are the inferior, overhyped films that overshadow the real Disney champions of their respective eras (Wreck-It-Ralph, Tangled, Princess & The Frog > Frozen. Bolt was okay.)

Sooooo...you lack an appreciation for Shakespeare.

Also, Wreck-It-Ralph is hugely overrated.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

As someone who couldn't give less of a fuck about superman canon, I rather liked it.

The bit where he holds up the collapsing oil rig? Awesome.
The bit where he prepares to fly for the first time, and you get the stuff levitating, and then sonic boom ************. Awesome.
The first fight against the kyrptonians? Ie the one where he's against the woman and the gigantic dude, and the army gets involved too? Awesome.

There were some pacing problems and goofy bits, it was nowhere near as profound as it kept trying to be, and the romance seemed a bit... well, a bit Anakin and Padme-ish. But other than that it was an enjoyable film.

 

[KungFuJazzHands]

I absolutely hated it. Well, 99% of it. There were some cool bit pieces, but for the most part it was a typically bad Zack Snyder movie. Way too much "style", not nearly enough meaningful substance.

Something's been bugging me about several comments here, though.

>Why would Clark go to a priest for guidance?: he was raised in a conservative, Christian, Midwestern small town -- what's so hard to understand that he'd feel compelled to visit a familiar place for moral guidance? Not only that, but the producers were trying very hard to appeal to a Xtian audience. They had to throw in some kind of bait for those folks, and hamfisted analogy works every time.

>Why was Clark wandering the land?: You'd think the exposition in the movie made that pretty frickin' obvious, but Clark was trying to find an identity and a purpose for himself. Like any young man with those same thoughts and doubts, he turned to wanderlust.

>Why was Lois everywhere she needed to be at just the right moment? Why didn't Clark maneuver the big battle away to a less populated area? How were the Kryptonians able to kick Superman's ass despite only being on Earth for a few hours? How did Clark find the spaceship so easily? Why did Pa Kent sacrifice himself so needlessly? Why the fuck was Pa El riding a fucking dragon? blah blah blah et al: horrible ideas, horrible thought processes, horrible writing, horrible scripting, horrible filmmakers. That's all you need to know there.

You're welcome.