Poll: Man shoots and kills murderer, released pending a grand jury review

[Quaxar]

People can be pretty aggressive when their property is being forcfully taken from them.

Sure, but there should be a difference between pretty aggressive and I'm going to murder the shit out of these people doing what they are told to do.

Sure, it was a good thing he had it with him. I'm just trying to understand why a person getting rid of illegally parked cars feels the need to take a gun with him to work every day (I assume it was not just a coincidence).
It's not like they were towing cars in Brazilian slums or anything.

Dude, in Miami people will pull guns in TRAFFIC. If you have any kind of a job that involves seriously pissing people off in any part of ANY kind of a major city, you damn well better be able to defend yourself. If you're out in the suburbs, not so much.

Heck, here south of Dayton our local *pizza delivery people* have been having problems with getting robbed, recently. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ones who come to my house go armed, particularly the ones who aren't male, large, and intimidating.

That's... a pretty sick mentality from my viewpoint.

But I confess I'm from a country with gun laws so strict you can practically never leave the house armed should you ever be allowed to get a gun in the first place, which means we have almost no big gun-related crimes ever. So I've got a hugely different view on this.

 

[erto101]

What a messed up world we live in where tow truck drivers feel the need to arm themselves when going to work. Jesus, man! I'm so glad i live a peaceful little patch of the world.

 

[DevilWolf47]

Towing a car because it didn't have a sticker? Kind of a dick move!

Shooting someone for towing your car? That's a little higher on the "Dick Move" scale. In self defense i feel you have a right to maim or kill to ensure the survival of yourself and those around you, so i have no real criticism for the tow truck driver. This is pretty clear cut, and i was honestly afraid for a second that this would be like an old Oklahoma case where a man was arrested for executing an armed robber, people coming to his defense despite the fact that man was down and posed no threat.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

It's regrettable that two men had to die because one decided to be a dumbass.

BTW, why is this a question? This is one of the clearest cases of self-defense I've seen in a while.

 

[KaiRai]

If this isn't self defence, I don't know what is. Guy sees a gun being held by a guy who'd had his car towed. I'm sure it's not the first time somebody has pulled a gun on him.

The tow truck drivers were in the right. You can't use "I didn't plan to stay" as an excuse. That's like saying "I didn't plan to drink" when you get pulled over for being wasted.

 

[jpoon]

He was well within his right to blast the fuck outta the guy. Esparza got what he deserved, Jones simply saved his own life.

 

[Gaiseric]

Ever see a school massacre committed with bear hands? No.

There was a bunch of school attacks involving melee weapons in China not too long ago.
http://www.slate.com/id/2254176/
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/19/thirteen-wounded-in-latest-chinese-school-stabbings/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i0PXWzJJ9XitJcEOvKlUO9exiE1g
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7644838/Chinese-man-breaks-into-school-stabbing-18-students-and-teacher.html
(Not 100% if one of these stories isn't a dupe)

And if I remember correctly the guy behind one of biggest school massacres(Biggest in US I think) used explosives.

 

[nukethetuna]

I guess this would be a good example of letting people freedom to bear arms to defend themself. Though I guess the whole thing would've been avoided if the first guy didn't have a gun.

I just feel bad for the Tow Truck driver because he has to live knowing he killed a man. Even if it was out of self-defense it can be pretty straining.

so losing the buddy is not emotionally damaging at all according to you?


Fucked up world this is where we see THE GUNZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ as problem only and never the emotional damage it places on someone for I dunno Losing someone close to them be it a colleague a friend or a family member

I didn't mean to offend, I usually just post whatever comes to mind when I read a thread. I generally won't cover all my bases, so sorry if I come off as cruel sometimes.

Though I am honestly not clear what you mean. That there were guns isn't an issue, the fact that someone died is? He wouldn't have died if the guns weren't there, so I'm not sure what you are criticizing me for. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding!

 

[Stickwell]

I guess this would be a good example of letting people freedom to bear arms to defend themself. Though I guess the whole thing would've been avoided if the first guy didn't have a gun.

I just feel bad for the Tow Truck driver because he has to live knowing he killed a man. Even if it was out of self-defense it can be pretty straining.

Well, It doesn't state if the gun carried by the attacker was legal or not, If not for the freedom to bear arms, this man would have had an illegal weapon and the two victims would most likely be dead.

 

[Harrowdown]

He acted with appropriate force to defend himself against someone who was clearly attempting to kill him, and he was licensed to carry the weapon which he used. He certainly hasn't broken any laws, as far as I can see. Of course, it would've been ideal, if inplausable, if he had used non-lethal force.

 

[DefinitelyPsychotic]

Shame he didn't open fire before his partner died.

Yeah, it is a shame. From the report, they said all of this happened only in a few seconds, so I'm not sure there really was enough time for him to save his partner, let alone his own life!

 

[nukethetuna]

I guess this would be a good example of letting people freedom to bear arms to defend themself. Though I guess the whole thing would've been avoided if the first guy didn't have a gun.

I just feel bad for the Tow Truck driver because he has to live knowing he killed a man. Even if it was out of self-defense it can be pretty straining.

Well, It doesn't state if the gun carried by the attacker was legal or not, If not for the freedom to bear arms, this man would have had an illegal weapon and the two victims would most likely be dead.

Definitely true! You could take it the other way and say if gun control was incredibly strict, to the point that the average guy who gets towed could never get a hold of one, it would've been avoided completely, but I'm probably a bit of a wishful thinker. I'm certainly not clear on how easy it is to get ahold of one illegally.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I'm coming down mostly on the side of yes. As far as I can tell, if there had been gun control laws, the man who had his car towed would not have been the sort to illegally own a gun, so with simplae gun control laws the entire incident would have been avoided.

However, since America will insist on arming its citizens as best it can, it was perhaps fortunate that the truck driver simply shot back.

I have no problem with someone utilising self defence, even lethal self defence, against someone who has proven willing to kill or wound. Generally I think that the self defence meted out should be proportionate to the amount of danger the defender thought he was in. If someone threatens you with a knife, you are in mortal danger, and thus if you kill your attacker then it's fine by me.

But I think that giving your citizens the legal right to own instruments of death is just asking for trouble.

 

[NickCooley]

I'm English and the whole gun control argument aside this is an open and shut case of self defense. Although I wouldn't trust English judges to make that call, fucktards the lot of them.

 

[Kargathia]

This suddenly does put my last "bad day at the office" in a whole new perspective.

 

[katsumoto03]

I guess this would be a good example of letting people freedom to bear arms to defend themself. Though I guess the whole thing would've been avoided if the first guy didn't have a gun.

If a guy is willing to murder someone, he's willing to illegally acquire a gun. The second amendment just gives the everyman a chance.

OT: Yup. Self-defence...

Moving on.

 

[Merkavar]

so the owner of the car shot and killed the tow truck worker and then the truck driver shot and killed the car owner?

if so i think the truck driver shouldnt be charged/arrested/fined. that seems like self defence right there and i dont care what the law says if someone shots at me or shots at someone else and i have a gun i am going to shot back. whats the point of me being dead and the other guy going to prison. if im dead it doesnt matter to me if he goes to prison.