Poll: "MAN!!, This is some ol' BULLSH*T!"
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Well, lately I gave JRPG's a go. I've been playing FF6 and I'm really en joying it. I'm going to try out Earthbound and ChronoTrigger. My brother owned FF6 for the playstation but I always used to dismiss it in favor of Tekken 3.
I don't play sports games and I never will. I also wouldn't touch Peggle or anything like that with a ten foot clwon pole. I cannot stand MMO's and despite that I used to play alot of them I have went off of RTS's, I still like RTS's like Med II though, they do something a bit different.
I don't play sports games and I never will. I also wouldn't touch Peggle or anything like that with a ten foot clwon pole. I cannot stand MMO's and despite that I used to play alot of them I have went off of RTS's, I still like RTS's like Med II though, they do something a bit different.
I'd love to see games accepted as "art" just as much as anybody, but I'm not going to bother with it unless it either has good gameplay to go with it, or the story/art is really, really good. Psychonauts was a game I thought that, despite its artiness, failed. Sure, it was funny and unique visually, but stripped down to it's bare bones it was just a mediocre platformer.
Art as in paintings, sculptures, designs, and all that crap? No. Not really worth it to me. Plus I would probably find it boring.
A few times recently I have left my gaming comfort zone to experience it as an artistic experience. I don't really like First Person Shooters, mostly because I'm not very good at them, yet I still played through the Darkness. The writing and acting in that game is so good. It quickly became one of my favourite games, even if I didn't like the gameplay that much. I just pushed through each level, carefully killing everyone so that I could advance the story. I also did this with Half-Life 2, but I'm not done it yet. I am really enjoying it so far.
Art isn't just pictures and sculptures. It also includes writing and acting. Like in books and movies.Blood_Lined said:
I have absolutely no problem with going outside my boundaries in games, since I have so few. If a game looks fun enough while I'm watching it, I'll play it. Some genres have to try harder than others, though (Sports titles still have yet to really wow me.)
I voted yes because I have no genre boundaries. I will play any game once and if I don't like it, I won't play it again. FPSs and Fighting games tend to fall out of this category despite my inherent suckiness at them. I can't play Halo to save my life, and the Soul Caliber series has eaten so many hours of my life with losses, it's almost embarrassing. But I keep coming back to the games because they're fun. I'm really more a RPG/JRPG/strategy/shooter strategy (a la CoD) type of guy; I can move from cover to cover quickly, I have the patience to look at the damage quotient of an attack before I use a skill, and I don't mind grinding one skill to perfection if it's necessary to get what I want in a game (Like in Fallout 3, how certain locks require a maxed out Lockpicking skill to get at them. It's bothersome, but often worth it if you're willing to spend the time. Mmmm...Vampire's Edge...Nearly as fun as the Shishkebab...).
I'd just like to say that you, sir, you have the most awesome avatar I have yet seen on this site, with the exception of the one I'm going to be using after the Avatar Adventure is complete (I don't want to change in the middle because that could get confusing). Calvin and Hobbes is my favorite comic EVER and I especially enjoyed the P.I. sequences. I wish Mr. Watterson had done more of them.xmetatr0nx said:
I consider many games art especially when you can see there was thought and effort put into the story and ideas behind the game instead of the generic story we have all seen hundreds of times before. I do not consider Space marine X attacking evil invading Y art but maybe a game like Penumbra or Homeworld as more artsy. You can really tell when the developers are trying to make an artform instead of a magical money machine. I think I have played every genre there is except for maybe skating games and every genre has art to it and every genre has games.
Long story short you have a mold that is safe and then you have creativity which really shines in my eyes. Even if the game is not perfect when someone really tries to make art it shows.
Long story short you have a mold that is safe and then you have creativity which really shines in my eyes. Even if the game is not perfect when someone really tries to make art it shows.
Um... I love JRPGs. Not all of them, but I've enjoyed them quite a bit in general. The Tales games, and the .hack games, are games that I've enjoyed, mainly for the stories, but also for the gameplay and I love the spectacle of the massive spells and various epic environments. I love the games for that.
However, if I find a game in a genre I'm not used to that apparently rocks, awesome, I'll play it.
However, if I find a game in a genre I'm not used to that apparently rocks, awesome, I'll play it.
I had to vote no because of the superfluous second half of the question. Games are not art. They may contain large quantities of art, but the GAME aspect is not an artistic element so the whole is not art. Ergo even though I often play games outside my favorite genre, I don't do so for the stated reason. 
Great first post, I've gotta say.
But where's the "I have no genre comfort zone because I play everything from Arena FPS to TBS to Tactical RPG to Space Sim to 4x to RTS?
There's no genre I despise, though I haven't played as many JRPGs as I have played shooters, for example.
Anyhow, games as an art form is a topic this forum has covered about 100 times, you can search it.
Personally, I'd assume you've been pointed in the direction of Bioshock plenty of times recently, and (Hopefully just as much) Shadow of the Colossus.
Those two games are practically art right there. Remember that games are a fledgling form of media, still subject to social stigma, viewed as a childish pastime as opposed to Literature, for example.
Perhaps it will change with time; perhaps not.
But to answer your question about why people can't see the bright side of a genre, it's because they're prejudiced stubborn bigots.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where you walk forward for 2 minutes and then watch a 10 minute cutscene, and then have a fight where you spam A until you get to walk forward to watch another cutscene.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where you endlessly jump around shooting at people for 15 minutes or until someone killed 30 other people - only to do it all again next match.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where you control a bunch of little guys who do the fighting for them - and they want to be in on the action.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where mashing the attack button is supposed to pass for "personal combat" and instead prefer a more tactical approach, commanding an army rather than being a soldier in it.
I can go on, but I'm sure you can see my point. Fun is a subjective term. And as much as I'd like a couple friends of mine to experience Shenmue or Jet Grind Radio, they just straight up wouldn't like them.
But where's the "I have no genre comfort zone because I play everything from Arena FPS to TBS to Tactical RPG to Space Sim to 4x to RTS?
There's no genre I despise, though I haven't played as many JRPGs as I have played shooters, for example.
Anyhow, games as an art form is a topic this forum has covered about 100 times, you can search it.
Personally, I'd assume you've been pointed in the direction of Bioshock plenty of times recently, and (Hopefully just as much) Shadow of the Colossus.
Those two games are practically art right there. Remember that games are a fledgling form of media, still subject to social stigma, viewed as a childish pastime as opposed to Literature, for example.
Perhaps it will change with time; perhaps not.
But to answer your question about why people can't see the bright side of a genre, it's because they're prejudiced stubborn bigots.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where you walk forward for 2 minutes and then watch a 10 minute cutscene, and then have a fight where you spam A until you get to walk forward to watch another cutscene.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where you endlessly jump around shooting at people for 15 minutes or until someone killed 30 other people - only to do it all again next match.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where you control a bunch of little guys who do the fighting for them - and they want to be in on the action.
Or maybe they don't enjoy a "game" where mashing the attack button is supposed to pass for "personal combat" and instead prefer a more tactical approach, commanding an army rather than being a soldier in it.
I can go on, but I'm sure you can see my point. Fun is a subjective term. And as much as I'd like a couple friends of mine to experience Shenmue or Jet Grind Radio, they just straight up wouldn't like them.
I like games regardless of what genre they are, yes I prefer some over others although it depends on my mood. Some days I don't want to pull out a large gun and kill some alien terrorists. You make a good point though, a few of my friends won't get into JRPGs.