Poll: Marine haters gonna hate Battle L.A.

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Ashoten

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So I am glad to say with a slight air of smugness that my predictions about how people would react to Battle L.A. was exactly correct. If you couldn't guess from the title of the thread most peoples ability to enjoy this movie has more to do with whether or not they like Marines and war movies then the movies quality itself.

Don't get me wrong this movie is far from perfect but it deffinetly has a lot going for it. Now I'm not a big war movie buff myself, but compared to how Marines are usually portrayed in media such as 28 Days Later and Gears of War Battle was a breath of fresh air. In fact I don't remember a movie making such an effort to humanize soldiers and Marines since Gigers Aliens.

Thats right you just saw someone compare Battle LA to one of Sci-Fys most beloved movies. Right from the begining I knew I was watching something that wanted to be a spiritual successor to the standard for Alien vs. Marine genera. Don't belive me? let me count the ways.

Battle dedicates a good 15 to 20 minuets just setting up the characters for the conflict that is to follow. There is a armored vehicle chase were some of the aliens are run over and the vehicle gets disabled. A rescue air vehicle gets shot out of the sky just in time to shatter everyones hopes. There is one mandatory butch chick who becomes friends with one of the marines. And the marines are working against a time limit till everything get blown to hell.

The best praise I would have to give to this Battle however is that it really is working for its dramatic moments. The chief complaint I hear from critics about most action movies (myself included) is that they never take any time to establish the characters or why we should care about them before they get killed off. I can safely say that Battle L.A. takes time to give characters more then one line before they die. In fact they get several lines.

I have heard people say(MovieBob) that this movie has no substance of moral to it. I'm not sure what movie those people were watching cause it has a couple of moral lessons in it. First lesson? "Sometimes life just isn't fair". The marines staff Sargent played by Aaron Eckhart who does a lovely job looking serious and soulful is literally a day or two away from retirement, and the Lieutenant is fresh out of the officer academy.

Holy dramatic cliche Batman! Yes I'm sure some of you war movie buffs out there could name a score of movie that use these time tested archetypes. But like I said Battle really works to make these characters more three dimensional then a piece of note paper. So how do you think you would feel if your first assignment was leading a group of soldiers to fight alien invaders with superior tech. and unknown tactics?

What the second lesson? "Using your brain and taking action is better then giving up" There is a point during the movie were the marines lose all contact with operations, the whole operations been FUBARed, and they have to make their own decisions. It may be shocking to some of you that soldiers are actually trained to pay attention to their surroundings and gather intel. that could be useful. Well that's exactly what they do. They figure out where the aliens weak point is and attack it. Pretty simple but effective.

Now don't worry I do have some criticism for the movie. While the combat is dramatic the camera likes to shake about too much especially at the beginning when the Marines are ambushed by the invaders. I really had a hard time following what was going on at some points of combat. Of course you could argue that this is to show how confusing a real life or death struggle would be. But frankly there is only so much realism I want in a movie and if it gets in the way of enjoying whats going on then your doing it wrong.

My biggest complaint I was saving for last and it is as follows. I DON'T NEED TO SEE A DOZEN CLOSE UPS OF THE ACTORS FACES TO SHOW THAT THE SCENE IS DRAMATIC! Ok one or two close ups is fine it give the actors some extra face time. But really it loses its effectiveness when you do it over and over again for what feels like the entire third act of the movie.

Well I think I've gone on long enough so I'll conclude with this. Your ability to enjoy Battle will probably depend entirely on your personal like or dislike of Marines. Do you agree?
 

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Other than the shaky camera I liked they movie as well. I felt like the characters were human and not just disposable plot points.
 

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I felt the movie was far too predictable. It got to the point where I was mentally calling out who would die and who wouldn't just based on their introductions. Not to mention that it takes forever to get through the first act. What is the point to a first act that large when 60% of the characters introduced die within the first 30 minutes of the second act?
 

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Ashoten said:
So I am glad to say with a slight air of smugness that my predictions about how people would react to Battle L.A. was exactly correct. If you couldn't guess from the title of the thread most peoples ability to enjoy this movie has more to do with whether or not they like Marines and war movies then the movies quality itself.

Don't get me wrong this movie is far from perfect but it deffinetly has a lot going for it. Now I'm not a big war movie buff myself, but compared to how Marines are usually portrayed in media such as 28 Days Later and Gears of War Battle was a breath of fresh air. In fact I don't remember a movie making such an effort to humanize soldiers and Marines since Gigers Aliens.

Thats right you just saw someone compare Battle LA to one of Sci-Fys most beloved movies. Right from the begining I knew I was watching something that wanted to be a spiritual successor to the standard for Alien vs. Marine genera. Don't belive me? let me count the ways.

Battle dedicates a good 15 to 20 minuets just setting up the characters for the conflict that is to follow. There is a armored vehicle chase were some of the aliens are run over and the vehicle gets disabled. A rescue air vehicle gets shot out of the sky just in time to shatter everyones hopes. There is one mandatory butch chick who becomes friends with one of the marines. And the marines are working against a time limit till everything get blown to hell.

The best praise I would have to give to this Battle however is that it really is working for its dramatic moments. The chief complaint I hear from critics about most action movies (myself included) is that they never take any time to establish the characters or why we should care about them before they get killed off. I can safely say that Battle L.A. takes time to give characters more then one line before they die. In fact they get several lines.

I have heard people say(MovieBob) that this movie has no substance of moral to it. I'm not sure what movie those people were watching cause it has a couple of moral lessons in it. First lesson? "Sometimes life just isn't fair". The marines staff Sargent played by Aaron Eckhart who does a lovely job looking serious and soulful is literally a day or two away from retirement, and the Lieutenant is fresh out of the officer academy.

Holy dramatic cliche Batman! Yes I'm sure some of you war movie buffs out there could name a score of movie that use these time tested archetypes. But like I said Battle really works to make these characters more three dimensional then a piece of note paper. So how do you think you would feel if your first assignment was leading a group of soldiers to fight alien invaders with superior tech. and unknown tactics?

What the second lesson? "Using your brain and taking action is better then giving up" There is a point during the movie were the marines lose all contact with operations, the whole operations been FUBARed, and they have to make their own decisions. It may be shocking to some of you that soldiers are actually trained to pay attention to their surroundings and gather intel. that could be useful. Well that's exactly what they do. They figure out where the aliens weak point is and attack it. Pretty simple but effective.

Now don't worry I do have some criticism for the movie. While the combat is dramatic the camera likes to shake about too much especially at the beginning when the Marines are ambushed by the invaders. I really had a hard time following what was going on at some points of combat. Of course you could argue that this is to show how confusing a real life or death struggle would be. But frankly there is only so much realism I want in a movie and if it gets in the way of enjoying whats going on then your doing it wrong.

My biggest complaint I was saving for last and it is as follows. I DON'T NEED TO SEE A DOZEN CLOSE UPS OF THE ACTORS FACES TO SHOW THAT THE SCENE IS DRAMATIC! Ok one or two close ups is fine it give the actors some extra face time. But really it loses its effectiveness when you do it over and over again for what feels like the entire third act of the movie.

Well I think I've gone on long enough so I'll conclude with this. Your ability to enjoy Battle will probably depend entirely on your personal like or dislike of Marines. Do you agree?
yeah, you just made me want to see the movie less, don't get me wrong, I like action movies, but you just argued that 2d (YES these characters are 2d, going by your description alone) characters, a short set up scene, and standard bad sci-fi archetypes made an awesome movie. I'm guessing your young though, so I'll clarify I'm not being hateful or angry here, I just feel like you're blowing this movie up to be bigger than it is.

Now if you'll excuse me I must get ready to see Sucker Punch.
 

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Do I agree? No. I think someone's capacity to enjoy a film probably has something to do with the merits of the film in question. No whether or not they 'hate Marines'. I'm still slightly puzzled by what you even mean by that. Do you mean to say anyone who dislikes this film does so because they are lily liver liberal pansies who don't love war the way real men do? Or is it more complex than that, like they don't like Marines in some other way? One I can't seem to figure out.
 

caselj01

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Im going to have to disagree.

I like war movies, I like war books, and yet I really cant justify saying Battle:LA is any better than average.

OP says that the movie devotes 15 to 20 minutes just setting up the characters, and that individual soldiers get several lines of dialogue before they die. Since when is this considered to be sufficient characterisation? The reason war movies are usually so long is because there are a large number of characters and they all need to be given enough screen time for you to care about them. SPOILERS Probably the only guy that I cared about when he died was the Lt, and that was only because he died in such a badass way.

The quality of the character development in this movie doesn't even compare to something like Saving Private Ryan or even one episode of Band of Brothers or Generation Kill.

The action sequences were pretty good though.

2 and a half stars out of 5.
 

Ashoten

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BiscuitWheels said:
Do I agree? No. I think someone's capacity to enjoy a film probably has something to do with the merits of the film in question. No whether or not they 'hate Marines'. I'm still slightly puzzled by what you even mean by that. Do you mean to say anyone who dislikes this film does so because they are lily liver liberal pansies who don't love war the way real men do? Or is it more complex than that, like they don't like Marines in some other way? One I can't seem to figure out.
Well mostly I am striking back at movie critics that are jaded to anything new. Battle is full of cliches and archetypes but its making an effort to give them life and substance. Saying a movie is bad because it uses archetypes is a pretty piss poor excuse. Archetypes are used in every story and have been since the beginning of story telling. I still hold that this movie is very close to being a remake of Gigers Aliens. So why has Battle LA been poorly received?

Well the two big differences I can see is the cinematography and the antagonist. If you don't like the movie because the camera shakes to much I can agree with that. So lets talk about the antagonist. In Battle LA its the alien invaders. That's straight forward and simple. In Aliens the aliens aren't really the antagonist they are just an obstacle to be overcome. The real antagonist in Aliens is "The System" and more specifically the corporate mega conglomerates. This is a safe figure for people to hate on because everyone can feel like an underdog compared to a large uncaring corporation. Battle makes the mistake of not giving us a universally feared antagonist. A large invasion really isn't something that most people would be afraid of actually happening. Maybe a random car bomb or other act of terror but not a full scale invasion over several large cities.

So yes I am saying liberals are more likely to hate Battle LA because it shows Marines as being competent capable individuals and they fear losing street cred if they give it too much praise. To a larger extent I am also calling out anyone still pissed about the Iraq war who is projecting their anger towards "The System". In Battle "The System" is an ally and resource. I wasn't happy about the Iraq war ether but I can disassociate that from a movie.

I can also see hate for this movie snowballing very quickly in an unreasonable miasma of "It's got no substance". I think this movie has plenty of substance but nobody wants to admit they are projecting or going along with the crowd. So I hope that helps clarify my views.

p.s. Im not a huge Marine fan myself but I know that individuals who want to be a part of supporting their community by serving in the military deserve just as much respect as anyone else.
 

Etra488

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What the movie does right is the good action, the AMERICA: FUCK YEA statement, and that the movie avoids a lot of traps.

Example about traps:
There are children, but there's little whining. The kids aren't overtly annoying.
There's no hip college student complaining about not being able to login to Facebook.
There's an adult female, and an adult male, but they don't hook up in a forced battlefield romance, thank god.
The protagonist isn't a single father taking care of the kids during the weekend of disaster.

In fact, the protagonist is just a single guy. He's getting a divorce - from his job. After 20 years as a Marine, he had a really bad fight a few months back, and now he just doesn't want to do it anymore.

So the best that I can say about the movie, aside from the good action, is that the movie isn't terrible for the reasons other movies are terrible. Battle: LA evades many of the traps that higher profile films fall into.

Cons:
Formulaic. You see it all coming.
Cheesy. Cliched.
Forgettable.

This movie isn't going to revolutionize the war genre the way Saving Private Ryan did. It won't inspire you the way Black Hawk Down did. You won't have any of your ideas and preconceptions challenged.

The movie is worth the cost of the ticket. And a few days later, you'll have forgotten you ever saw it.