Poll: Mass Effect 3: Yay or Nay?

[Joey245]

It's Mass Effect 3. It's the epic conclusion to one of my two favorite gaming franchises of all time. It's looking like it will be an incredible game. I've pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, and am saving up to pay for the rest. I've got an incredibly open mind, and I'm ready for whatever Mass Effect 3 does for me.

Will I install Origin to play Mass Effect 3? Hell, I'd walk across a mile of busted glass in socking feet to be able to play it. (One could say that could be the activation method.)

Okay, maybe not that far, but I'm really looking forward to ME3. I'm one of those people who love both Mass Effect 1 AND Mass Effect 2 to pieces, and am ready to love this one to pieces too. If I need to install Origin to play it, then I'll gladly oblige.

Besides, I don't see what the big deal is anymore. EA has changed the EULA, as mentioned above. Plus, I already bought Pinnacle Station from them for Mass Effect 1. Plus, while I like Steam, I'm not a rabid Steam fanboy or a rabid Origin hater. I just see Steam and Origin as means to an end.

But whatever. Haters gonna hate, and all that other good stuff.

 

[HKFortyRevan]

Yay, I'm buying it for Xbox 360 (played the first two on it), so Origin is not a problem. All this will effect is if I get a secondary PC copy or not.

Things like Origin and Online Passes do tend to discourage me from buying games, new at least. At the end of the day though, I'm a consumer, and if I want the sequel to my favourite game of the generation, I'm not putting some arbitrary boycott in the way of that.

 

[radioactive lemur]

I have a PS3

 

[Piorn]

It's just like that Ubisoft account I once had.
You get a game, create a new account to play the game and then you stop playing eventually. Half a year later, you think: "That game was awesome, I could play it again!" So you put the DVD in and realize the security program is not installed anymore, you remember neither your nickname, nor the password for the Account, and so the fun ends before it even began and you move on to play stuff on Steam.

 

[DustyDrB]

I've had my 360 ME3 copy pre-ordered since...June? I'd buy it if I were a PC gamer too. EULAs are not legally binding. That said, I recognize and respect any gamer's right to vote with his wallet. At least you have the stones to take a strong stand when you see a trend you hate.

 

[stefman]

agreed. i hate bias. you cant read a good new story these days without some kind of spin on it :/. thank you for providing the actual facts.

 

[easternflame]

Well yeah I will play it because I play in consoles, but if I was a PC gamer I wouldn't I hate the idea of origin; still not voting because I'm not a PC gamer.
but I'm skeptical about the whole thing, I think Bioware is overrated, I mean they created Mass Effect but the characters are not as good as they should (only finger deep, but like a muddy pond, you think it's deep but once you try and put your hand inside it, it's actually only finger deep), the stories are ok I guess, the human reaper was one of the worst bosses I've fought, Dragon Age II, you know, and now, the Co-Op thing, which I would like if it wasn't because it affects the single player experience.

 

[MisterShine]

After some perusing of the ME3 website, it appears that ME3 will be using Origin on the PC version,

4 pages later and still no link to this information.

 

[Whispering Cynic]

That's a definite no for me. I was pretty disappointed with the direction of the series since ME2 came out, now the whole multiplayer thing got announced... let's just say that the requirement to install Origin is the proverbial last straw. I might buy it later, for a significantly reduced price and with proper cracks, but I refuse to just bend over and put up with every bullshit EA comes up with.

 

[Callate]

For the record, regarding changes EA has made to the Origin EULA:

[link]http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/news/6331203/ea-changes-origin-eula[/link]

According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA's legal rights."

However, and the emphasis in the next paragraph is mine:

While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer, operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact, another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services.

I'm glad EA isn't selling the information Origin collects any more, but I don't believe "spyware" has a strict legal definition, and it would seem they're still reserving the right to collect information about non-Origin software you may have in use on your machine.

And, no, I've never read anything compelling suggesting that Steam does that on a non-voluntary basis. Nor does this address the egregious "no jury or class-action lawsuit" clause of the EULA.

 

[Zhukov]

After some perusing of the ME3 website, it appears that ME3 will be using Origin on the PC version,

4 pages later and still no link to this information.

The ME3 EULA. Point 1B.

http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Mass+Effect+3_en_10.5.11+FINAL.pdf

 

[RedDeadFred]

Oh for the love of christ.

[HEADING=1]READ THIS! THE EULA CHANGED MONTHS AGO![/HEADING]
[sup]Back in August, in fact. Pay attention.[/sup]

Click here. [http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/news/6331203/ea-changes-origin-eula]

According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA's legal rights."

While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer, operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact, another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you." In fact, the new EULA makes no mention of marketing at all.

The third section in the EULA, "Application communications and conduct/privacy settings," has also changed considerably. It no longer includes wording that "EA reserves the right to monitor communications on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary," nor does it specify that if users don't agree to EA's collection, they shouldn't install the application.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM ANY MORE.

This Eula is now no more invasive or threatening than Steam's, or any other programs'.

If it does appear to, then yes I won't be getting it.

Perhaps you should paste all the above information in the OP to ensure that everyone voting is fully informed rather than reacting to outdated sensationalism. Also, fix your poll to remove the bias.

This is why I hate controversial topics like this. They are always one sided or outdated (both of which are in this case). Honestly the op probably didn't make the topic for the discussion, he probably just recognized it as a topic that hardly anyone was informed about and knew that it would get him a bunch of replies so he could earn some badges.

 

[Durgiun]

Well, I'm passing up on ME3 then. Not missing out too much, what with Skyrim having the potential to keep me glued to the screen for months on end.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Then why don't you get it for one of the consoles? You can still play the game, but you don't have to deal with Origin. Also, by buying a console version of it, you're effectively "voting" against Origin, thereby increasing the chances of EA either scrapping it or fixing it. It's a win-win situation!

All my ME2 saves are on the PC, no way to transfer them across. Also, my Xbox red ringed on me and it is way out of warranty.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

After some perusing of the ME3 website, it appears that ME3 will be using Origin on the PC version,

4 pages later and still no link to this information.

Dude, I'm in Australia. I posted this before I went to bed and only woke up about half an hour ago.

http://masseffect.bioware.com/me3/game/

Whats the big glaring thing you see on the right hand side of the page?

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

If you honestly think Origin is THAT BAD, you obviously have little experience with a place called the INTERNET.

But I will say that I'm concerned about whether or not I can use my saves from steam

I have plenty of experience with the internet. Only difference with that and this, is I make it my mission to make sure malware doesn't find its way on to my machine.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Do you also have some hatred for Steam "raiding your computer"?

I only let Steam connect to the internet when I install a game through it. I always play in either offline mode or disconnect from the internet before I play.

 

[MisterShine]

http://masseffect.bioware.com/me3/game/

Whats the big glaring thing you see on the right hand side of the page?

... That I can pre-order it from Origin?

The ME3 EULA. Point 1B.

http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Mass+Effect+3_en_10.5.11+FINAL.pdf

Now, that's interesting. Thanks Zhukov.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

For the record, regarding changes EA has made to the Origin EULA:

[link]http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/news/6331203/ea-changes-origin-eula[/link]

According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA's legal rights."

However, and the emphasis in the next paragraph is mine:

While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer, operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact, another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services.

I'm glad EA isn't selling the information Origin collects any more, but I don't believe "spyware" has a strict legal definition, and it would seem they're still reserving the right to collect information about non-Origin software you may have in use on your machine.

And, no, I've never read anything compelling suggesting that Steam does that on a non-voluntary basis. Nor does this address the egregious "no jury or class-action lawsuit" clause of the EULA.

I had pretty much roughly worded my response to all the "but the EULA changed!" responses to be almost exactly like this.

There is still enough ambiguity in the text to allow EA to still do what the Origin EULA originally specified.