Poll: ME3 - Aren't You Guys Rather Embarressed?

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

The people who are cursing the name Bioware over the ending are a bit silly, but people like Angry Joe and many others who are making rational, well thought-out cases against it are proving to be far more mature than other fans who have felt the sting of...


Personally, I am in the "This ending sucks" Camp, but it's really manifested itself in a different way for me: I'm never supporting Bioware again. From the launch of Dragon Age 2 until now, there's been a mountain of evidence built that Bioware has been destroyed just like my beloved Pandemic Studios by EA, and I am therefore not supporting them after the end of Mass Effect 3's existence. I'll buy new DLC, but never another game.

I've taken a similar stance on consoles: Sony and Microsoft have both proven themselves unable to protect my personal information, so I'll never buy another console from them. I'll keep buying 360 games, but never another console.

 

[Xpheyel]

Meh.

The FTC thing is out of control.
Challenging a Bioware developer to a katana duel is out of control.
Building a life size walking Harbinger model that blares his lines from ME2 every step it takes and using it to attack EA's corporate headquarters is out of control.

Using the internet to vent bile and turning communities into rivers of flame happens every day. Donating to Child's Play in rage is... Still just donating to Child's Play. The Escapist regularly been turning into an echo chamber upon new game release until everyone goes back to talking about how old games and Dwarf Fortress are better than our shiny new triple-A games.

Until I see Casey Hudson holding a naginata or my ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL! kickstarter gets funded, I find the reaction to the reaction more puzzling than the reaction itself. Only guess is that it seems like no one was out in front of the story and a tiny minority of review copies called any kind of attention to the ending at all. Since when do people take things we say on the internet seriously? Even saying "I'm not buying their DLC", or "their game", or "any of their games ever again", or "I am building a time machine to stop younger self from getting Knights of the Old Republic" is still just saying things on the internet.

I haven't even said those things. I'll still pick up ME3 eventually and maybe even the DLC. When Dead Space 3 comes out, I'll probably buy that too. If Bioware makes a new game I'm interested in, eventually yeah that too. I knew KOTOR2's ending was going to fall apart on me before hand. And yep, it surely did. Didn't really ruin the rest of the game since I knew it was coming though. Hilariously, my biggest problem with it other than being a pretty disjointed mess from a technical perspective was basically the same problem as ME3's lack of closure and explanation of what happened to your carefully assembled squad of emotional wreckage.

And finally, being an old school stereotype of an introverted gamer, I find it impossible to be personally embarrassed by just about anything done by a person who also happens to buy video games. Seriously, what? I've got my own problems to be embarrassed about, like my inability to identify with the wider community. I don't have time to be embarrassed over this. Even if it were totally wrong or inappropriate. Like if the entire audience of a movie were spilling their drinks and talking on their cell phones... In another state. I wouldn't be embarrassed about going to the same chain of movie theaters to see the same movie as them. I feel no social guilt for people I don't know making a mess somewhere only vaguely related to me.

As for if the media is watching: HI MOM!

 

[ms_sunlight]

It's completely absurd and disproportionate. I do understand people's rationales for not liking the endings, although I don't agree with everybody, but seriously?

You don't like the endings? You know what to do. Do what I do when I want endings.

STFU and play Chrono Trigger. In the middle of the Undersea Palace at the moment people!

Spoiler: Come on, you can't say this doesn't make you feel a little excited, even now?

 

[Redd the Sock]

I've seen worse. Last year we had an actual riot complete with random property damage, looting, and injury over the loss of the Stanly cup. As much as it might cost my Canadian citizenship to say it, I'll point out the absurdity: 4.2 million in damages over a fucking hockey game. I'll take internet whining and charitable fundraising any day over that.

That said, as much as I'd like this nerd rage focused on something of real importance, it's nice seeing people not be apathetic about something other than Han shooting first. I mention that to point out that all this isn't new and won't go away. Heck, the existance of DLC has probably worsened things as now, we can conceivably compalin our way to a different ending. For me, there's also a happy foreward thought behind it all: a message that while me make consider games art, that doesn't mean we are willing to let the writers run over us with some artistic idea rather than continuity, logic, advertised features and fan wishes.

Silly, probably. but from the villification of used game sales, abuses of day one (and other) DLC, online passes, and other ways we as gamers have been inconvienenced or made to feel like criminals, some kind of massive blowback was inedivable. The idustry has had some serious entitlement issues about what it can expect from us, I guess some blew back on what we expect as gamers in return.

 

[Jaeke]

There is a very, very, damn-fine line, and it was crossed. Hell it was lept over.

The rage is not only justifiable, its encouraged.

 

[wintercoat]

If video games want to be judged by the same standards as cinema, books and art, then it's creators should be able to accept the criticism and outrage when their product is unsatisfactory. If ME3 was a movie in a theater, I would have walked out during the end and demanded my money back. Since that isn't an option, I will take the next best step and let my displeasure be known where ever it is applicable.

 

[Xannidel]

Sadly my opinion is based solely on me unable to play ME3 yet (no money ATM) but I do plan on buying the game soon and I think people have gone on about it for a while now, Bioware has already made posts about the topic so it is time to move on.

 

[xPixelatedx]

I have never been so impressed with the gaming community. We aren't all gullible sheep after all!

 

[T3hJim]

I think it is entirely justified. Consumers were lied to about the product, simple as that. That amounts to at best false advertisement, and at worst downright fraud. The fact that the ending (imo) was completely terrible only makes this worse! Sure some people take it too far, but better too far than not far enough. As has been said already:

Silly, probably. but from the villification of used game sales, abuses of day one (and other) DLC, online passes, and other ways we as gamers have been inconvienenced or made to feel like criminals, some kind of massive blowback was inedivable. The idustry has had some serious entitlement issues about what it can expect from us, I guess some blew back on what we expect as gamers in return.

 

[Zen Toombs]

BASICALLY yes. While this is totally worth fighting for, there are a number of factions that go WAY too far.

 

[KingofMadCows]

The test audience did not like the original ending for Terminator 2 so Cameron shot a new ending and that's the one we got.

The entire last chapter of "A Clockwork Orange" was cut by American publishers because it was deemed inconsistent with the rest of the book. Pretty much everyone agrees and that's what Kubrick went with in the movie adaptation.

Sherlock Holmes died battling Professor Moriarty. Fans did not like that. Arthur Conan Doyle brought Holmes back.

 

[The Pinray]

OP, you are asking the right question on the WRONG website. You really think the people that frequent this site are going to say "Yes, it's out of control"? Not a shot against the users here, just an observation.

 

[applesandoranges]

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[JoesshittyOs]

I'm currently enjoying the middle ground as of right now.

I hated the ending, and I said my bit on how much it sucked, but I sort of realized that this ravenous beast of an outcry was uncontrollable, and was very quickly going to get ugly. So I sort of stopped complaining about it a while back.

The best way I can describe it is that I like how I don't have to join into the mass that is whining and complaining about it, yet if they get what they want, I reap the benefits.

So yeah, I think the complaining is a little pathetic. But I also am really banking on the patheticness to get me a new ending, and I think it ultimately is sending a pretty defiant message.

 

[Neaco]

Meh.


Building a life size walking Harbinger model that blares his lines from ME2 every step it takes and using it to attack EA's corporate headquarters is out of control.

shh, that's Operation Crucible 2.0 !

 

[AdamRhodes]

OP, you are asking the right question on the WRONG website. You really think the people that frequent this site are going to say "Yes, it's out of control"? Not a shot against the users here, just an observation.

From what I've seen, most Escapist users think it's out of control. In basically every thread about ME3 there's like thirty people saying all the rage is ridiculous with probably forty saying it's worth fighting for no matter what and forty-five saying it's worth fighting for but it's gotten ridiculous.

The difference between this and Twilight is that Mass Effect was almost wonderful. Until the ending destroyed it. Also some teenage girls would say that the fourth Twilight ruins it just as much as the ending of Mass Effect. After all, in Twilight a teenage boy falls in love with a baby that bit it's way through it's mother's womb.

Well, the baby gave him three choices: kill the baby, kill himself, or fall in love with the baby.

 

[Zetatrain]

Yes and No

To me as well a lot of other ME fans the endings were disappointing not because they were "bad" endings but mainly because

1)The last few minutes leading up the explosive finale are full of plotholes and makes very little sense.

2)No closure at the end

3)Very little choice at the end despite what was promised

I don't think that it is too unreasonable for fans to demand that these problems be fixed which can be remedied through DLC, free or not.

However I don't agree with the people who are demanding full refunds for the game or those who are filing the FTC complaints.

If Bioware wants to add more endings via DLC then I'm good with that though I'll be satisfied if they manage to at least correct problems #1 and #2

So mostly no

 

[Fappy]

Just beat the game again a few minutes ago (got meh Insanity achievement >.>) and I have got to say, "This is a cause worth dying for."

But it is a cause to help children.

I think the endings are massively, massively flawed and I would be supremely ecstatic if say the Indoctrination Theory panned out to be true or BioWare simply fixed/changed/whatevered the ending, but about $80,000 (and going) have been raised to help out Child's Play and you cannot deny that is awesome. If nothing else good comes from this whole thing, that will at least be enough of a beacon to prove the whole damn thing was worthwhile.

And if you're a cynic who thinks it's a petty measure to twist BioWare's arm and scoffs at it, please take the service elevator straight to hell.

We are in agreement there for sure. The only thing that irks me about the "Take Back ME" camp is some of the people filing FTC complaints and stuff. That's just taking it too far.

EDIT: Also, I need to get around to donating. I have it on my Facebook page but I am too lazy to see if my Paypal is still working.