Poll: ME3 EC didn't fix anything

[JomBob]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

 

[Fappy]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

 

[boag]

His reasoning is that the creators will always rebel against the created and that synthetics will kill all organics. Which never happened. NOT ONCE. Can you understand that? SYNTHETICS NEVER KILLED ALL ORGANICS. Which makes his conclusion about the whole idea just a wild speculation. He simply can't know what will happen.

Actually, it's implied in game, across several games, that the Geth and being non-hostile is extremely unique and as a result of their pseudo-hive mind. Additionally, EDI can easily be written off, as it is entirely plausible that Cerberus produced several AI's before creating one which was non-hostile. In ME1, there is a side quest where a rogue AI is stealing money from the casino with the sole purpose of transferring himself into a spacecraft so it can join the Geth (which it believes to share it's common goal of the annihilation of organics). The kicker is that the AI was created by a less sophisticated AI to continue it's goals in the event of it's detection. Additionally, the council's laws against AI existed BEFORE the Quarian's created the Geth, not because of it (Tali outright states that when they created the Neural Network, they were skirting the law, but not breaking it). Therefore, despite the fact that the Geth, the AI you primarilly interact with in ME, are non-hostile, there is enough evidence to reasonably assume that AI's which are hostile towards organic life are, in fact, the norm when viewed in the large scale.

err, EDI was the Rogue AI from the moon base that you disable.

Cerberus didnt try jack shit they just stole her, shackled her and put her on the normandy.

 

[boag]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

how about the one where Saren Attacks Eden Prime to look for the mcguffin that would enable him to use another mcguffin so he can infiltrate the Citadel because he is branded a traitor for Attacking Eden Prime?

 

[Fappy]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

how about the one where Saren Attacks Eden Prime to look for the mcguffin that would enable him to use another mcguffin so he can infiltrate the Citadel because he is branded a traitor for Attacking Eden Prime?

Apparently it never crossed Saren's mind to just walk up to the Master Control Unit when no one was looking.

 

[JomBob]

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

how about the one where Saren Attacks Eden Prime to look for the mcguffin that would enable him to use another mcguffin so he can infiltrate the Citadel because he is branded a traitor for Attacking Eden Prime?

Apparently it never crossed Saren's mind to just walk up to the Master Control Unit when no one was looking.

I assumed that the reason for that was that he wanted to have an army with him when he did it, in order to prevent him from having to fight all of C-Sec. Or maybe Sovereign didn't know why the Citadel Relay hadn't opened and wanted to check everything the Protheans might have done.
As for getting on board Sovereign, he had a few hours. More than enough time to hitch a lift with the Geth.

 

[Fappy]

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

how about the one where Saren Attacks Eden Prime to look for the mcguffin that would enable him to use another mcguffin so he can infiltrate the Citadel because he is branded a traitor for Attacking Eden Prime?

Apparently it never crossed Saren's mind to just walk up to the Master Control Unit when no one was looking.

I assumed that the reason for that was that he wanted to have an army with him when he did it, in order to prevent him from having to fight all of C-Sec. Or maybe Sovereign didn't know why the Citadel Relay hadn't opened and wanted to check everything the Protheans might have done.
As for getting on board Sovereign, he had a few hours. More than enough time to hitch a lift with the Geth.

I don't know, the master control unit is in an area he could easily access without arousing suspicion considering who he is. He's a Spectre after all. He could have just paid off C-Sec and hit a few buttons in 5-minutes,

 

[boag]

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

how about the one where Saren Attacks Eden Prime to look for the mcguffin that would enable him to use another mcguffin so he can infiltrate the Citadel because he is branded a traitor for Attacking Eden Prime?

Apparently it never crossed Saren's mind to just walk up to the Master Control Unit when no one was looking.

I assumed that the reason for that was that he wanted to have an army with him when he did it, in order to prevent him from having to fight all of C-Sec. Or maybe Sovereign didn't know why the Citadel Relay hadn't opened and wanted to check everything the Protheans might have done.
As for getting on board Sovereign, he had a few hours. More than enough time to hitch a lift with the Geth.

I don't know, the master control unit is in an area he could easily access without arousing suspicion considering who he is. He's a Spectre after all. He could have just paid off C-Sec and hit a few buttons in 5-minutes,

Saren: Councilors, I have uncovered a bomb plot, I need you all to evacuate the Council Tower Immediately, while I and my group of non evil team mates search for it.

Councilors: oh Saren, thank you for being so brave, we will evacuate immediately, because we always believe what you tell us and we never ask you for evidence, we just know you are the best Spectre ever, btw Councilor Tevos would like to ride your manly Turian manhood after you are done as a way of showing Gratitude.

Saren: yes yes, of course after im done.

Councilors leave.

Saren: Ok Sovereign I activated the thing a ma bob.

Sovereign: Sweet!

Reapers pour in.

 

[Acton Hank]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

Of course if that happened Shepard would never have come into the story and nobody would have stopped the Reapers from pouring through the Citadel, thus we have a story with no protagonist and no conflict.

I mean this makes 95% of what happens in ME1 completely pointless.

Everyone who says ME2 had bad writing or ME3 had bad writing and that ME1 was the best thing since the pyramids I say suck on it you hypocritical pseudo intellectual sacks of shit.

If you want to pretend to have standards, then at least show some fucking consistency and not act high and mighty like you're above the masses when it suits you.

 

[Fappy]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

Of course if that happened Shepard would never have come into the story and nobody would have stopped the Reapers from pouring through the Citadel, thus we have a story with no protagonist and no conflict.

Everyone who says ME2 had bad writing or ME3 had bad writing and that ME1 was the best thing since the pyramids I say suck on it you hypocritical pseudo intellectual sacks of shit.

If you want to pretend to have standards, then at least show some fucking consistency and not act high and mighty like you're above the masses when it suits you.

To be fair ME 2 & 3's plots are more inconsistent, nonsensical and unrealistic. Not saying ME1 isn't guilty of plot silliness as well. My problem with ME2's plot is the part where Shepard dies and comes back two years later with all his memories intact... I still don't understand why this happened.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

You are forgetting that while he was helping Sovereign, he was also trying to fight the indoctrination. He wasn't focused just on activating the Citadel signal. We was trying to prepare himself for the arrival. That's why he was studying the thorian and the indoctrination. He wasn't entirely indoctrinated. After Shepard exposed him, his Spectre status was revoked and he could no longer gain access to The Citadel. He wasn't counting on that.

And why are we assuming that just because he was a Spectre, they would let him use the main console?

Besides, The Citadel didn't respond to the signal. They didn't know why. That information was on Ilos. He could have waltzed in before all that mess perhaps, but he wouldn't have been able to fix it. And even if he could, wouldn't the Reapers want to know why The Citadel didn't respond so it doesn't happen again? I know I would.

 

[Acton Hank]

I like the part where Sovereign takes off from Eden Prime without Saren, but shortly after we see Saren on-board Sovereign

how about the one where Saren Attacks Eden Prime to look for the mcguffin that would enable him to use another mcguffin so he can infiltrate the Citadel because he is branded a traitor for Attacking Eden Prime?

Apparently it never crossed Saren's mind to just walk up to the Master Control Unit when no one was looking.

I assumed that the reason for that was that he wanted to have an army with him when he did it, in order to prevent him from having to fight all of C-Sec. Or maybe Sovereign didn't know why the Citadel Relay hadn't opened and wanted to check everything the Protheans might have done.
As for getting on board Sovereign, he had a few hours. More than enough time to hitch a lift with the Geth.

If he can Fucking smuggle a bunch of Geth into the Noveria space port, in boxes no less, then I don't see how with Spectre status he can't do it on the Citadel.

 

[Acton Hank]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

You are forgetting that while he was helping Sovereign, he was also trying to fight the indoctrination. He wasn't focused just on activating the Citadel signal. We was trying to prepare himself for the arrival. That's why he was studying the thorian and the indoctrination. He wasn't entirely indoctrinated. After Shepard exposed him, his Spectre status was revoked and he could no longer gain access to The Citadel. He wasn't counting on that.

Is that the way it is or is that what you think? And nothing you just said makes it any less of a plot hole, the point is: his goal was to make the Reapers arrive through the Citadel, not attacking Eden Prime would have saved him time and effort, I sincerely doubt Saren attacked Eden Prime because he was fighting Indoctrination, considering Sovereign was right there with him when Eden Prime was attacked, he wasn't studying the thorian to uderstand indoctrination, he was trying to get the Prothean Cypher, dont' you remember?

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Is that the way it is or is that what you think?

It is known that Saren was worried about being indoctrinated. Remember his conversation with Shepard on Virmire.

 

[boag]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

You are forgetting that while he was helping Sovereign, he was also trying to fight the indoctrination. He wasn't focused just on activating the Citadel signal. We was trying to prepare himself for the arrival. That's why he was studying the thorian and the indoctrination. He wasn't entirely indoctrinated. After Shepard exposed him, his Spectre status was revoked and he could no longer gain access to The Citadel. He wasn't counting on that.

He could have kept finding out about the indoctrination without attacking Eden prime.

Eden Prime didnt lead to Feros, Eden Prime didnt lead to noveria, Eden Prime didnt lead to Virmire, until Saren attacked and made himself a target.

Is that the way it is or is that what you think?

It is known that Saren was worried about being indoctrinated. Remember his conversation with Shepard on Virmire.

Which still doesnt explain why he attacked Eden prime, when he already had operations on Feros, Virmire and Noveria going on.

 

[Murmillos]

Ok, for the "plot holes" of ME1, Saren thought Eden Prime would be a breeze (and it almost was) until the wild card Shepard shows up. If Saren had known about Shepard would have been showing up in the new super secret alliance ship at that moment, he wouldn't have attacked when he did. For story sakes, its bad happenstance for Saren.

As for the reasons of attacking Eden Prime in the first place, it was to determine if the Prothean beacon had any insights into the Conduit which was the unknown factor Sovereign had decided he wanted gather intel on to know what it was, what it would used for (weapon/other).

Sovereigns concern was making sure the Conduit wasn't a mass relay that deflected all incoming jumps into a black hole. That would have kinda put a damper on the Reapers plans if that was in fact the truth. Once the Conduit was found to be benign in function, they were able to launch the full scale attack (only needed due to Shepards infestation into Sarens plans...)

 

[Acton Hank]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

Of course if that happened Shepard would never have come into the story and nobody would have stopped the Reapers from pouring through the Citadel, thus we have a story with no protagonist and no conflict.

Everyone who says ME2 had bad writing or ME3 had bad writing and that ME1 was the best thing since the pyramids I say suck on it you hypocritical pseudo intellectual sacks of shit.

If you want to pretend to have standards, then at least show some fucking consistency and not act high and mighty like you're above the masses when it suits you.

To be fair ME 2 & 3's plots are more inconsistent, nonsensical and unrealistic. Not saying ME1 isn't guilty of plot silliness as well. My problem with ME2's plot is the part where Shepard dies and comes back two years later with all his memories intact... I still don't understand why this happened.

On that I agree, it was kind of pointless, they could have gone the Robocop route and just make him mortally wounded and in a coma and then have Cerberus come in and spend the next 2 years rebuilding him, it would have been the exact same thing only a hundred times more, "realistic" is the wrong word, I'll say believable; but if that's the biggest problem you have with the story then it just proves my point.

The biggest problem I have with ME3, ending notwithstanding, is the fact that they find the plans for the crucible in the same Prothean Archives they had for 30 years, beyond that, nothing really set off any serious alarms in my brain.

If you're going to be critical, don't be critical just when you feel like it.

 

[Acton Hank]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

You are forgetting that while he was helping Sovereign, he was also trying to fight the indoctrination. He wasn't focused just on activating the Citadel signal. We was trying to prepare himself for the arrival. That's why he was studying the thorian and the indoctrination. He wasn't entirely indoctrinated. After Shepard exposed him, his Spectre status was revoked and he could no longer gain access to The Citadel. He wasn't counting on that.

He could have kept finding out about the indoctrination without attacking Eden prime.

Eden Prime didnt lead to Feros, Eden Prime didnt lead to noveria, Eden Prime didnt lead to Virmire, until Saren attacked and made himself a target.

Is that the way it is or is that what you think?

It is known that Saren was worried about being indoctrinated. Remember his conversation with Shepard on Virmire.

Which still doesnt explain why he attacked Eden prime, when he already had operations on Feros, Virmire and Noveria going on.

Thank You, and also Mr Jensen, he was already Indoctrinated on Virmire, as Shepard said, he just didn't know it, which is the whole point of indoctrination.

 

[Fappy]

ME1 had plot holes which retroactively destroyed the plot of the game, nobody seems to know or give a shit about them. I guess some people give a shit about certain plotholes and not others.

Like what? The only significant one I am aware of is that no one suggests that Saren is planning to attack the Citadel until your meeting with the Council, and then everyone assumes that he must be.

Saren attacked Eden Prime to get to the Prothean Beacon and he needed the Prothean Beacon to find the Conduit, which we later find out is a miniature Mass Relay that offers one way passage to the Citadel.

Why did Saren need the conduit in the first place? Why expose himself on Eden Prime, why not just go to the presidium as a spectre and have Sovereign and the heretic army do a surprise attack on the citadel?

Of course if that happened Shepard would never have come into the story and nobody would have stopped the Reapers from pouring through the Citadel, thus we have a story with no protagonist and no conflict.

Everyone who says ME2 had bad writing or ME3 had bad writing and that ME1 was the best thing since the pyramids I say suck on it you hypocritical pseudo intellectual sacks of shit.

If you want to pretend to have standards, then at least show some fucking consistency and not act high and mighty like you're above the masses when it suits you.

To be fair ME 2 & 3's plots are more inconsistent, nonsensical and unrealistic. Not saying ME1 isn't guilty of plot silliness as well. My problem with ME2's plot is the part where Shepard dies and comes back two years later with all his memories intact... I still don't understand why this happened.

On that I agree, it was kind of pointless, they could have gone the Robocop route and just make him mortally wounded and in a coma and then have Cerberus come in and spend the next 2 years rebuilding him, it would have been the exact same thing only a hundred times more, "realistic" is the wrong word, I'll say believable; but if that's the biggest problem you have with the story then it just proves my point.

The biggest problem I have with ME3, ending notwithstanding, is the fact that they find the plans for the crucible in the same Prothean Archives they had for 30 years, beyond that, nothing really set off any serious alarms in my brain.

If you're going to be critical, don't be critical just when you feel like it.

Another thing to add to the list for ME3 is Cerberus' involvement in the story. For some reason this black ops organization that virtually no one knew existed before is now in command of an army that rivals pretty much everyone elses' (even after going to Sanctuary I didn't buy it at all), has near limitless resources and political pull and is supposedly supposed to be filling some kind of prophesy-esque role in the Reaper cycle. Cerberus was forced down our throats in places it shouldn't have been simply for the sake of mixing up the enemy types. It bothered me the entire game.

 

[Riff Moonraker]

I watched the Destroy and Synthesis endings on Youtube and am currently downloading the EC to see Control for myself.
From what I've seen all the plotholes are still there. And it seems to me the endings went from "Everyone dies!" to "Everyone lives a happy life and everything gets rebuilt because we say so!" and "The Normandy crashed on a planet and is nearly destroyed? No Problem, they will fix it in a day and fly away like nothing ever happened because we say so!"
And since when is the Normandy capable of vertical flight?
Whatever.

Edit: And how were we supposed to get any of this from the original endings?

The Normandy has pulled off "vertical flight" before... in multiple occasions, actually. At the "dead" Reaper in ME2 when they were escaping it... at the Collector base...