Poll: ME3 EC didn't fix anything

[Delsana]

It didn't do much... over 72 major plotholes still exist and my assets still don't matter.

Thats part of the reason im not satisfied, they added the deleted scenes and a fucking slideshow at the end.

Like I said, had they ended it like this from the beginning, then it would have been somewhat acceptable, but adding it after people had to demand it and slog through all the name calling and back and forth, this just looks like PR Damage control.

I disagree. If they had it from the start 72 major plotholes that can't be ignored by people that know the lore and just pay attention would still exist, and assets still wouldn't matter, and after all this time, even though assets will never matter, they aren't even properly accounted for in the basic numbers system even.. 700 pts in SP only still are missing and can not be found.

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The refusal DOES lead to a happy ending.. for the next people of the cycle. It just doesn't let our generation of the cycle survive.

 

[psicat]

I still liked the endings as they originally where. But, if some didn't that's fine, and if Bioware wanted to expand on them for some of the people that wanted more closure that's fine to. What's not fine is finding out what a whiny self entitled hoard gamers can be. That people can still be bitching about this even after getting a free expansion to the endings is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

 

[boag]

It didn't do much... over 72 major plotholes still exist and my assets still don't matter.

Thats part of the reason im not satisfied, they added the deleted scenes and a fucking slideshow at the end.

Like I said, had they ended it like this from the beginning, then it would have been somewhat acceptable, but adding it after people had to demand it and slog through all the name calling and back and forth, this just looks like PR Damage control.

I disagree. If they had it from the start 72 major plotholes that can't be ignored by people that know the lore and just pay attention would still exist, and assets still wouldn't matter, and after all this time, even though assets will never matter, they aren't even properly accounted for in the basic numbers system even.. 700 pts in SP only still are missing and can not be found.

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The refusal DOES lead to a happy ending.. for the next people of the cycle. It just doesn't let our generation of the cycle survive.

oh I know the plotholes would have been there, I guess I need to be more specific.

I would have been satisfied with this EC had it been presented as is from the beginning, it would have given me closure instead of "LOTS OF SPECULATION" bullshit.


And for the refusal ending, ive repeated it in some other threads, but I personally head canon the yagwh fucking up the reapers in the next cycle thanks to Liaras beacon.

 

[Tigerlily Warrior]

I don't know. I chose the green options and while I didn't think it fixed the plot holes, I did find some level of closure. Although to be honest, after 3 months of waiting, I fully believe the Indoctrination theory would've been the best ending, had BW had enough time to develop it before the initial release. I'm done with BW's IP, except for Dragon Age. Lesson learned.

 

[RyuujinZERO]

I saw EC endings on YouTube, and now I'm here to vent.

And there is Op's problem. Half your questions are answered in the extended dialogue options

 

[Dogstile]

You know what I would have liked? If picking destroy had joker actually look like he was sad that EDI died.

But nope, they didn't change anything significant. Your crew leaving randomly? Fair improvement. Them getting airborne again? How? How did they fix the ship? We all saw what that thing looked like when it landed, it didn't look like it would fly again.

But fuck it, i've stopped caring. Especially as choice "D" was "Don't like it? Fuck you" in terms of game choice.

 

[Kingpopadopalus]

I'm just questioning how this is relevant to how much fun you had with the series as a whole. Did you really expect to see every little choice you make have an impact?

"You forgot to complete side mission 452C so now everyone dies. If only you had done side mission 452C and gotten the med supplies for the little puppies they would have grown large and gnawed the reapers to death"

I mean really people. Did you suddenly look back at all that fun game play and think "all of that was worthless seeing as the end product was not what I expected."

 

[AT God]

Its a hard call, I still wanted a happy ending where Shepard and the LI would reunite before the credits rolled. While they didn't give us that, they did show that the effects of the Red ending weren't as horrible as originally intended and I am happy with that ending. They kept the breathing scene to imply Shepard lives and Bioware people have said that they imply that Shep and crew meet up afterward. Thats what I wanted but I really wanted to see it, I got very attached to the characters and I wanted to see Shepard happy after all his hard work. Rumor I heard is that they might continue with the Red ending, but I don't want it to continue, I want to see Shepard reunite and have a life. I would settle for those cheesy subtitles like the ones they used in Animal House where it just describes what happend.

I think they did a great job at explaining their endings, while I still think the ending was horrible and should have been scrapped, I think they did the best they could with what they thought should stay. I just wish there was a visual happy ending instead of just an implied one where they don't put up Shepards name on the Casualty board and fly off, which is supposed to mean they are gonna go look for him.

I will probably never play any Mass Effect games again unless they show us what happens to Shepard after ME3. However, there is something amazing in that despite all three games being fun to play, I became so attached to the characters that I wont be able to watch their current fate again. I can't say I liked ME3 but I can say its pretty amazing how well I became attached to some CGI characters.

I'm depressed about the new ending but it did fix my concern, it just didn't give me the happy ending or explain what happened after ward like I had wished.

 

[Major_Tom]

I think I can live with Refuse ending. Sure, it was a "bad" ending but at least I told Starbrat to fuck off and there was no Space magic involved.

 

[theevilgenius60]

I've not cared in such a long time that it surprised me how good this made me feel. A little clarity, plot holes or not, made it to where I can play Mass Effect again. It's nice to know everything doesn't just get destroyed while everyone dies. Sure, I wanted my "blue babies on Thessia" ending, but what it comes down to is that these endings are some that I can work with.

 

[Quantupus]

Besides, it is free.

Of course it's free. It's 10 minutes of cutscenes. And you have to replay the last 3 hours of the game to get them. And even then it still doesn't fix anything. Who the fuck would pay for something like that?

Excuse me? You have to replay the last 3 hours? No... no you don't. Go into your save games and chose restart mission and you will be placed back at the point where you got shot by harbinger and have to stagger over to the Citadel beam.

 

[Dendio]

First of all check the poll, most people are happy with the endings
Secondly It didn't fix anything?

Crew teleportation explained
Love interest given a final good bye
Synthesis explained
Control explained
Destroy explained
New ending where you reject the catalyst and the crucible
Relays more clearly do not go nuclear this time
Joker leaving explained
Hackett knowing shepard is abord the citadel explained ( through the awesome line "holy shit he did it" no less )
Catalyst origin explained
Reaper origin explained
Crucible origin explained
Catalyst motives explained



It felt so good hearing Mark Meer voice out the questions I had posted on the internet just a month or so ago. You just don't get that with most media. Usually plot holes stay open and thats the end of it. Its clear bioware used alot of the fan reactions when making the Extended Cut. In fact im sure they went to youtube and literally checked off angry joe's top 10 list because just about everything is covered.

I am beyond amazed how people are complaining right now.
Lastly its free, and it took money to make!

 

[Dendio]

I saw EC endings on YouTube, and now I'm here to vent.

And there is Op's problem. Half your questions are answered in the extended dialogue options

Ah everything is much clearer now

It didn't do much... over 72 major plotholes still exist and my assets still don't matter.

Nobody cared about those other minor plot holes or war assets. The fan out cry was all about the asinine ending. The completely inept ending was the deal breaker. The ending is now superior to most video games. The game is now much better for it. Nothing is perfect and the only reason I feel people are still complaining is because controversy is more fun than appreciation.

 

[Delsana]

I saw EC endings on YouTube, and now I'm here to vent.

And there is Op's problem. Half your questions are answered in the extended dialogue options

Ah everything is much clearer now

It didn't do much... over 72 major plotholes still exist and my assets still don't matter.

Nobody cared about those other minor plot holes or war assets. The fan out cry was all about the asinine ending. The completely inept ending was the deal breaker. The ending is now superior to most video games. The game is now much better for it. Nothing is perfect and the only reason I feel people are still complaining is because controversy is more fun than appreciation.

Minor? None of those were minor. There are over 150 minor plotholes that I'm not all that caring towards. Don't misinterpret "major plothole" to mean "minor plothole", that's a failure in communication.

And no, the ending still sucks and the reason the ending could suck in the first place was because those plotholes were never addressed and just ignored which allowed them to make such an "asinine" ending. And since "space magic" as you love to call it, plus all the other issues still exist.. the game is still the exact same ending, in fact.. the new ending is contradictory to the situations the story actually ends at, as such, the ending as it is now can not actually exist.

This means there's a 58th major plothole.

You could call it a monumental plothole if you like.

 

[Dendio]

I saw EC endings on YouTube, and now I'm here to vent.

And there is Op's problem. Half your questions are answered in the extended dialogue options

Ah everything is much clearer now

It didn't do much... over 72 major plotholes still exist and my assets still don't matter.

Nobody cared about those other minor plot holes or war assets. The fan out cry was all about the asinine ending. The completely inept ending was the deal breaker. The ending is now superior to most video games. The game is now much better for it. Nothing is perfect and the only reason I feel people are still complaining is because controversy is more fun than appreciation.

Minor? None of those were minor. There are over 150 minor plotholes that I'm not all that caring towards. Don't misinterpret "major plothole" to mean "minor plothole", that's a failure in communication.

And no, the ending still sucks and the reason the ending could suck in the first place was because those plotholes were never addressed and just ignored which allowed them to make such an "asinine" ending. And since "space magic" as you love to call it, plus all the other issues still exist.. the game is still the exact same ending, in fact.. the new ending is contradictory to the situations the story actually ends at, as such, the ending as it is now can not actually exist.

This means there's a 58th major plothole.

You could call it a monumental plothole if you like.

I just listed 13 *major plot holes* that were addressed. What major plot holes are you complaining about? Most of which i'm sure only surfaced after the game was placed under a microscope due to to the underwhelming endings.

Sure EMS isn't the greatest system or the quest log for fetching didn't update, but those are minor issues that most ignored in the grand scheme of things. Nothing is perfect after all. No the main reason people complained was the endings. In fact the slogan was * awesome game until the last 10 mins* and thats what motivated people to protest, donate money and time. Thats what pushed bioware into action. Mass effect 3's ending is now superior to most video games. The game as a whole benefits.

 

[Theminimanx]

Rejection lets the cycle continue, killing most everyone off, but instead leaves the following cycle with the knowledge needed to defeat the Reapers for real.

I'm sure that will work as well as it did for the cycle that found the prothean beacons (oh wait that's Shepard's cycle, everyone's dead, awesome)

Not exactly, the beacons were meant as a message to other protheans to let them know that there were still protheans on ilos. Liara's message consisted of actual instructions on how to defeat the reapers. We also know that, unlike the beacons, Liara's message will be understood, because we know that the yagh are capable of understanding the language used during shepard's cycle.

 

[Delsana]

I saw EC endings on YouTube, and now I'm here to vent.

And there is Op's problem. Half your questions are answered in the extended dialogue options

Ah everything is much clearer now

It didn't do much... over 72 major plotholes still exist and my assets still don't matter.

Nobody cared about those other minor plot holes or war assets. The fan out cry was all about the asinine ending. The completely inept ending was the deal breaker. The ending is now superior to most video games. The game is now much better for it. Nothing is perfect and the only reason I feel people are still complaining is because controversy is more fun than appreciation.

Minor? None of those were minor. There are over 150 minor plotholes that I'm not all that caring towards. Don't misinterpret "major plothole" to mean "minor plothole", that's a failure in communication.

And no, the ending still sucks and the reason the ending could suck in the first place was because those plotholes were never addressed and just ignored which allowed them to make such an "asinine" ending. And since "space magic" as you love to call it, plus all the other issues still exist.. the game is still the exact same ending, in fact.. the new ending is contradictory to the situations the story actually ends at, as such, the ending as it is now can not actually exist.

This means there's a 58th major plothole.

You could call it a monumental plothole if you like.

I just listed 13 *major plot holes* that were addressed. What major plot holes are you complaining about? Most of which i'm sure only surfaced after the game was placed under a microscope due to to the underwhelming endings.

Sure EMS isn't the greatest system or the quest log for fetching didn't update, but those are minor issues that most ignored in the grand scheme of things. Nothing is perfect after all. No the main reason people complained was the endings. In fact the slogan was * awesome game until the last 10 mins* and thats what motivated people to protest, donate money and time. Thats what pushed bioware into action. Mass effect 3's ending is now superior to most video games. The game as a whole benefits.

The issues leading up to the end, are the real plot holes, the ones at the end outside of one are primarily minor. Of course... there's that monumental one that makes the ending impossible based on the things leading up to it now.

 

[sobaka770]

Now if only they could scrap the synthesis ending, I'd be happy. It just goes so much against the lore of the series into magic territory, it just disgusts me by its mere presence even though I don't have to choose it.

 

[Hap2]

Now if only they could scrap the synthesis ending, I'd be happy. It just goes so much against the lore of the series into magic territory, it just disgusts me by its mere presence even though I don't have to choose it.

The whole Dark Energy and eezo explanation for how the ships move at the speed of light could also be considered space magic you do realize.

 

[RobotDinosaur]

I'm confused about why there's still so much hate towards the ending. It's not perfect, but it's not as abhorrent as some people are making it out to be.

-'The 'Refuse' end is stupid': The game was pretty clear that in a conventional war the Reapers win and kill everyone, hence the need for the Crucible. So if you decline to use it, guess what? The Reapers win. That's not Bioware being passive aggressive towards critics, that's the logical outcome if you choose that action.

-'The Starchild is stupid': Yeah, he kinda is a jerk. But the end clarifies that he's really just a glorified VI made by whoever also made the Reapers. It's possible that his statements are biased, misinformed, or outright lies. It also makes the overall plot make a strange sort of sense: Reapers were synthetics made to fulfill a purpose, and they got out of control and killed their creators. So they're basically the Geth on a galactic scale. They don't have to make sense to you - they just have to make sense to themselves, using their own perverse logic.

-'Plot holes/variety': Wait, first you complained about the awful plot holes and lack of variety in the original ending, then you complain because they fixed the plot holes and added some variety, but not in the way you wanted? What would have made you happy, short of your own personal programming team to write an ending just for you?

I could go on. Point being, I'm not saying it's a fantastic ending. But it's good - good enough that I don't think there would be so much mass outrage over them, if not for the fact that everyone's still angry over the original ending. You were angry over that, you complained, they listened and gave you something to make it better. YOU WON. Now shut up and be reasonably content. Otherwise we'll never get the same treatment from developers ever again, because they'll just assume we were never going to be happy anyway and they won't bother trying.