Poll: Microtransaction confessions, And a call to arms

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm disgusted by the way certain players in this industry we all love are headed. I realize the call to boycott has been used in a silly fashion before, but I believe it is totally justified to deal with this shameful corporate greed. I will not be purchasing ANY major titles that include exploitative micro transactions of any kind, and I ask that if you agree with my position, you make the same pledge here.

I'm not a fanatic, things like paying a buck or two to unlock the full version of plague inc, or other reasonable costs are not what I am referring too here.

also post your most shameful micro transaction purchase in this thread if you wish.

my confessions:
-an amount I would rather not recall into mass effect 3
-about 5 bucks into a pay-to-skip android game who's name I will not give traffic

I'm so sorry gamer community for my sins against you, as contrition I boycott any title that commits this sin.... no matter how much love I bare the franchise.... *single manly tear*
 

tippy2k2

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No. No I will not join your "boycott".

A game having micro-transactions does not make it "evil" or "bad" or "greedy". If someone wishes to use real life money to pay for virtual shit, what do I care? If a game is literally broken unless you pay for micros, I simply won't play that game.

As for my "shameful" uses:

None. I have never purchased any micro-transactions.
 

MysticSlayer

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If I want to spend money on something, then I'll spend money on it. If I'm not having fun with the game outside of spending money, then I likely won't spend money in the first place in the hope it will get better. However, I'm not going to follow some ridiculous boycott just because someone doesn't like the business model. I'll make my own decisions about each individual purchase (or lack thereof), thank you very much.
 

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tippy2k2 said:
No. No I will not join your "boycott".

A game having micro-transactions does not make it "evil" or "bad" or "greedy". If someone wishes to use real life money to pay for virtual shit, what do I care? If a game is literally broken unless you pay for micros, I simply won't play that game.

As for my "shameful" uses:

None. I have never purchased any micro-transactions.
would you consider games akin to forza to be greedy for selling a full price game, then withholding cars withen the game for additional costs?
 

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MysticSlayer said:
If I want to spend money on something, then I'll spend money on it. If I'm not having fun with the game outside of spending money, then I likely won't spend money in the first place in the hope it will get better. However, I'm not going to follow some ridiculous boycott just because someone doesn't like the business model. I'll make my own decisions about each individual purchase (or lack thereof), thank you very much.
feels a bit hostile, but of course everyone is encouraged to make their own choices
 

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Reasonable Atheist said:
tippy2k2 said:
No. No I will not join your "boycott".

A game having micro-transactions does not make it "evil" or "bad" or "greedy". If someone wishes to use real life money to pay for virtual shit, what do I care? If a game is literally broken unless you pay for micros, I simply won't play that game.

As for my "shameful" uses:

None. I have never purchased any micro-transactions.
would you consider games akin to forza to be greedy for selling a full price game, then withholding cars withen the game for additional costs?
Yes.

As I stated, micro-transactions themselves are not greedy. They can be used in greedy ways but they themselves are not greedy. A game like Forza is a game I would personally skip because of how it uses micro-transactions (though granted, I would skip it anyway because it's a racing game).

For every Forza, there are plenty of games I could point to in the opposite direction. Dead Space 3 for example had micro-transactions but (to my knowledge at least, I hated the series so I haven't played it), they are completely unnecessary unless you want the big stuff right away rather than playing for it. If I played DS, I would not skip DS3 just because micro-transactions exist in the game.
 

Reasonable Atheist

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tippy2k2 said:
Reasonable Atheist said:
tippy2k2 said:
Yes.

As I stated, micro-transactions themselves are not greedy. They can be used in greedy ways but they themselves are not greedy. A game like Forza is a game I would personally skip because of how it uses micro-transactions (though granted, I would skip it anyway because it's a racing game).

For every Forza, there are plenty of games I could point to in the opposite direction. Dead Space 3 for example had micro-transactions but (to my knowledge at least, I hated the series so I haven't played it), they are completely unnecessary unless you want the big stuff right away rather than playing for it. If I played DS, I would not skip DS3 just because micro-transactions exist in the game.
I believe we agree, i have not played the dead space series so i cannot comment, but i have no objection to things such as borderlands 2 charging small costs for special skins and whatnot to add flash to your character. I am speaking here about withholding game-play elements for something you have already purchased, or basing your business model around extracting humorous amounts of cash from your players, for example that new dungeon keeper game on ios that everyone is spamming with 1 star reviews atm.
 

klaynexas3

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I can't say I will simply because I already made the mistake of buying one recently(dammit Bravely Default), but I do agree with the hatred towards micro transactions. I've nothing against cosmetic items, but any gameplay elements that are offered in micro transactions I'm against completely if it's a game you already have to pay a full price to play anyway. DLC is one thing, but selling small parts or a potion(BD did this) is simply unacceptable. It builds it around the act of spending more money and inconveniencing those that don't want to. A F2P game is one thing, but using it in a game that isn't free is a crock of shit, no matter how you dress it up.
 

Arakasi

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No, because I don't join pointless 'social justice' fads.
Though I do not buy those games anyway because they end up being shitty.
 

Racecarlock

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I already don't buy or download games that have microtransactions. What more can I do? You can't fix stupid.

I do have a theory though. If we ignore them hard enough, and only talk about them in order to convince other people to ignore them hard enough, and then reach out to the casual community to also get them to ignore those games hard enough, they will simply cease to be made.
 

Yopaz

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No, I will not boycott any games based on microtransactions.

Boycotting takes a lot of effort on my side and I'd rather not commit myself that much. If a game is good and contains some of it I might end up putting in something for a skin, but it depends a lot on the game, the price and the publisher. I don't really do micro transactions as it is so there's not much I can do though. They aren't inherently bad. However that comes with a huge BUT since micro transactions being bad is becoming the rule rather than the exception.

Still, I won't commit myself to a boycott and look silly if I were to ever buy something.
 

Charli

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I already auto-boycott clear scams. There are games that do it legitimately though, and quite well, and blanket opinions are dangerous.
 

Absolutionis

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I tend to avoid games by EA with pay-to-win strict advantages like Dead Space 2/3 and most mobile games, so it's an easy boycott for me.

As for microtransactions themselves, I've been enjoying Planetside 2 and Warframe's business models. I haven't spent a cent on TF2, but their microtransaction model works great. Even Guild Wars 2 with their buy-to-play model has aesthetics in microtransactions that make me happy.

Don't let the bad seed of all EA games and the occasional charging for map packs ruin the idea of microtransactions altogether. With things like Bravely Default dabbling into microtransactions for what used to be game-included cheats, those deserve a boycott in my view. Games like Dead Space 2 that sell you strictly better items with immediate access for real money are a marginal advantage, but you're still cheating.

It's up to the player to determine the threshold of what's tolerable.
 

Caiphus

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I think the only game in which I spent money on microtransactions would have been SW:ToR after it went free to play. Gave up on that game after they shut down the Australian servers though.

Other than that, nothing, unless you count smaller DLC packs as microtransactions? I bought a few of the weapon packs in Mass Effect. That's probably close.

As for boycotting the stuff, it's nice that you're trying to inform people about them, OP. I don't think I'm going to change my purchasing habits just to make a moral stand, although other people are free to. You decide what level of microtransaction prevalence will stop you purchasing a game, and you decide which, if any, microtransactions or DLC packs you buy.

I don't know quite where I stand on them anyway. On one hand, it should be up to the consumer to inform themselves about what they're buying. On the other, the amount of psychological pressure to spend money on worthless shit can be pretty nasty in some games. The recent Dungeon Keeper kerfuffle is just the most infamous right now.

It's also a bad look for gaming; it seems the worst manipulation is in mobile games, which is where casual gamers are going to look first, not knowing any better. Especially if bloody Dungeon Keeper is popping up on the Google Play home page with full 5 star ratings. Then they're going to be less likely to delve further into gaming if they become convinced that this nonsense is what gaming is about. So it's selfish of companies to pull this shit at the possible expense of the gaming industry. /rant

So yeah, with that said OP, I'd be less worried about you yourself setting up any boycotts. You're probably smart/informed enough to avoid the shittier ones anyway. If I were you, I would let your casual gamer friends or family know about how poor value microtransactions are, and give them alternatives. That's probably more likely to help.
 

Eve Charm

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It's pointless to boycott somethings. The problem is, as long as some people " Do it right" and people give the money hand over fist and don't complain an inch people are going to "Attempt" to recreate it if they get it or not. When something like LoL or Dota to Aren't making hundreds off some players and thousands a day for worthless cosmetics, THEN will companies take the time and get a clue on the Keep asking for more and more money doesn't always work.
 

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Reasonable Atheist said:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm disgusted by the way certain players in this industry we all love are headed. I realize the call to boycott has been used in a silly fashion before, but I believe it is totally justified to deal with this shameful corporate greed. I will not be purchasing ANY major titles that include exploitative micro transactions of any kind, and I ask that if you agree with my position, you make the same pledge here.

I'm not a fanatic, things like paying a buck or two to unlock the full version of plague inc, or other reasonable costs are not what I am referring too here.

also post your most shameful micro transaction purchase in this thread if you wish.

my confessions:
-an amount I would rather not recall into mass effect 3
-about 5 bucks into a pay-to-skip android game who's name I will not give traffic

I'm so sorry gamer community for my sins against you, as contrition I boycott any title that commits this sin.... no matter how much love I bare the franchise.... *single manly tear*
I'll put it this way, I'm sort of ahead of the curve on this one. While not without their flaws I was a pretty big fan of "Dead Space". Honestly it was the "No Known Survivors" website and the detail that went into it that got be so interested in the first game despite by general dislike of shooters. I played the second one and also thought it was pretty good. I even watched their animated movie. I however deliberately chose not to buy the third installment in the series because of the micro transaction system, I don't care how it was implemented or arguments about it being "low impact" it has no place in a game like this. Sadly as I doubt it will ever be removed from the game, nor will the game appear on STEAM instead of Origin, I doubt I'll ever play it, which makes me quite sad on some levels, but I'm sticking with it.

As far as guilty confessions, I've mentioned a number of times I've put some pretty substantial piles of money into Cryptic's games. Of course at the same time I didn't feel I was being forced to do so, and that the company was actually being pretty generous with people that weren't willing or able to pay for the game. What's more they seem to be willing to release new, free, content periodically (missions, events, campaigns) and without support they would go out of business, so it doesn't bother me so much. Honestly while I think their cash grubbing on some things (inventory slots for example) I think they represent a pretty reasonable compromise on the FTP field.

On the other hand this all comes down to it being comparative though, I still prefer a subscription based system without cash shops. Saying Cryptic is "good" is compared to looking at say the FTP version of "The Old Republic" where they charge you for action bars or just to equip purple equipment or what might be available in their "Free" events. Basically "pay us to use the treasure you earn". My confession of being the stupidest is when I actually thought I could get the equivalent of a lifetime subscription to ToR by unlocking everything, only to learn they locked out so much stuff after the fact that you can pay them over a hundred bucks and STILL be locked out of basic features (like earning full exps for quests, or being able to choose from all the reward items after quests, or just being able to carry enough money to actually buy anything worth a crap). Then of course there are games that outdo EA, I made the mistake of looking at some of the other properties by "Perfect World" (which now owns cryptic) and a few other Asian FTP games like Atlantica and some of them have the audacity to sell you timed items. You might for example think that a FTP game asking you to pay say $25 for a cosmetic costume was an idea conceived after a bunch of executives did a bunch of coke and called down to the devs while high out of their mind. Now imagine a game with the audacity to charge you $25 for that same costume, but you can only wear the costume for 30 days at which point you have to buy it again... Given that for some items it's more than a subscription for a AAA game (and most of these games are "B" or "C" grade at best) it amazes me they stay in operation (though to be fair, most have at least one really cool sounding mechanic), I usually run in horror, but I imagine there must be a few stout fellows out there who enjoy lubing up and logging in for those or they wouldn't exist. :)

At any rate I believe I've managed to avoid buying any EA products at all since the ME3 ending, and as I said, the micro transactions chased me away from one of the few titles that would have tempted me. At the end of the day though I think a boycott is doomed simply because most gamers will not go without something they really want, in order to make a point, relying on this is what the gaming industry has been banking on so far. I can't see gamers as a whole having either the organization or the willpower to hold out long enough to actually make the gaming industry care. Not to mention the most likely outcome is sadly going to be a "crash" of sorts where gaming as we know it dies, and they all move on to producing casual games exclusively for the kinds of people that have apparently been paying for the mobile version of "Dungeon Keeper". After all that way of doing things has been working since Farmville, and with the lowest human denominator drawn into gaming nowadays we've sadly gotten to the point where all you need to do is make a cute graphic that makes a noise and simple animation if someone pays and clicks on it, and people will do it. Zynga might be slowly falling, but think about how much money they made on doing pretty much exactly that, and also how half their problem is doubtlessly that they simply have competition in the same space now (since EA and similar companies have been jumping on the same basic market as we've seen).
 

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I don't really think of myself as boycotting them but I just don't buy any games with a bunch of microtransactions in them in addition to paying full price for it. It's greedy and asking for way too much just to play a single game so I just don't buy it and instead spend my money elsewhere, luckily there are enough games in the games industry that there is always something else I can buy instead.

When EA announces the inevitable cash shop for Dragon age inquisition complete with 80 different £5 DLCs that will be ready on release then instead of buying their EA donation box to throw money into I will go and buy some old PS2 games from the PSN store or buy something on Steam, hell I could even go ahead and pledge money to a kickstarter or something instead.

The gaming industry is big enough that there is always something else you can spend your money on which is what I do. I hope that publishers stop forcing these things into games so I can buy them again but I don't consider myself boycotting it so much as just not wanting to buy it.
 

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I will not boycott micro-transactions. Every game I've ever played that features them, I say "that's nice, but I think I'll just earn those shiny trinkets myself". They aren't forcing you to pay in most cases, and if they are, I'd call it crappy DLC rather than micro-transactions.
 

UniversalRonin

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I mostly game on my tablet now days, and if I feel a developer has developed a good product, (whether I've paid for it or not) I will sometimes reward them with a micro transaction or two to encourage them to keep on developing. After all, if their revenue stream dries up, so does my game collection.
 

Maximum Bert

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Seems like most people are just naturally boycotting the microtransaction part of games which I do as well as its just not a thing I can get behind and support same with most DLC. However I do think its right that everyone should judge for themselves and make decisions on a case by case basis.