Poll: Misandry in the world.

[SpartanBlackman]

Inb4 "CHAUVANISTIC SCUM". Feminists say all sorts of shit about men and how they are all pigs, so I'm listing my views in a somewhat respectable way.

Misandry is defined as "Hatred of men", similar to how Misogyny is the hatred of women. We get lots of news coverage about how women should have more rights and how men are the evil putting them down ect. But I've noticed an insane amount of Misandry and just general crappy treatment of males in general.

Men are more likely to get the Death penalty. You can say that it is men who commit crimes more often, but these figures really speak for themselves. Florida is one of the only states (To my knowlegde, I don't live in the US) that still uses the Death penalty.

Total White Males 240
Total Black Males 144
Total Other Males 12
Total White Females 1
Total Black Females 1
Total Other Females 1
7/5/2011 Total 399
(source http://www.dc.state.fl.us/activeinmates/deathrowroster.asp)

Damn. Thats just plain ridiculess. And I know that since I have said essentially that women should receive the death penalty more, I'd get labeled as chauvanistic scum, but essentially, I want what feminists want, equality of men and women. This is not equality, this is gender bias.


Sexual assault
OH HERE WE GO. Now, women and rape is probably the most touchy subject there is. I'm not even going to step into the realm of if someone waves around cash it's asking to get mugged like wearing no clothes is asking to get raped. But what I am going to go into is the fact that in most countries women cannot rape men. This is unacceptable. A woman can easily forcibly have sex with a man. But it's not rape. Look at these statics from http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html


Myth:
"All sex offenders are male."

Fact:
The vast majority of sex offenders are male. However, females also commit sexual crimes.

In 1994, less than 1% of all incarcerated rape and sexual assault offenders were female (fewer than 800 women) (Greenfeld, 1997). By 1997, however, 6,292 females had been arrested for forcible rape or other sex offenses, constituting approximately 8% of all rape and sexual assault arrests for that year (FBI, 1997). Additionally, studies indicate that females commit approximately 20% of sex offenses against children (ATSA, 1996). Males commit the majority of sex offenses but females commit some, particularly against children.

In English law, the law leaves no rome for a female rapist.
From the British Sexual offences act-
1) A person (A) commits an offence if?

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.


1) A person (A) commits an offence if?

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

What. Is rape any less traumatic for a man than a woman? Is it anyone's right to say that if a man gets raped it isn't rape because he may have enjoyed it? Forcibly having sex with someone is said to "Ruin lives". Why doesn't this apply to men? I'm not even going into the likelyhood of there being many more "Unwanted forced sexual assaults" against men that aren't being reported due to shame.
In addition to this, Child molesters are often seen as less severe if it's woman on man. I mean, South Park highlighted this, as when it's a female teacher, most people just don't care.

If there are any pranks related to sex, then men have no chance of being represented fairly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeadI7jieDY
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/11/09/boy-13-arrested-after-pulling-down-female-students-pants-at-school/

Speaks for itself.



Men and Court cases.

Men hardly ever win custody. Seriously, only about 10% of men win custody. And if a man loses custody, its god damned terrible. He has to pay money to the woman who repeatedly tells BOTH of their children that he's evil and he could possibly end up with a worse quality of living, and in some places, he'll lose up to half of his wealth.
Seems totally fair there.



(Missing) White Woman syndrome.
This delves into race somewhat, but it is still related as it shows how mena re rather unrepresented in the media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2816

If a white woman gets raped, A white teenager goes missing or a little white baby girl gets murdered by her parent then stuffed in a trunk for a month, you can bet your ass that it will be reported over the violent stabbings of a poor, black man. Men going missing isn't any more tragic? Guys getting stabbed is of little concern compared to the daughter of an affluent family going missing in Portugal.

So yes, feminists around the world, you do have some things stacked against you, sepecially in the world of business, but you do have a LOT of things over men, stuff which needs to be changed, and should be advertised just as much as your key points.
So what do you guys think about misandry?

 

[realslimshadowen]

Feminists say all sorts of shit about men and how they are all pigs

Men hardly ever win custody. Seriously, only about 10% of men win custody. And if a man loses custody, its god damned terrible. He has to pay money to the woman who repeatedly tells BOTH of their children that he's evil and he could possibly end up with a worse quality of living, and in some places, he'll lose up to half of his wealth.
Seems totally fair there.

Generalizing like a ************, yo. Painting with a, ahem, broad brush. Error: specific data not found. Etc., etc.

Men are more likely to get the Death penalty. You can say that it is men who commit crimes more often...

Uh, yeah. That's, y'know, at least three-quarters of the whole reason men are more likely to get the death penalty. In every country in the world that keeps statistics, in any category of violent crime--which are the only ones that can get the death penalty, if we don't count leaking intelligence as treason--women commit fewer crimes, and when they do, they tend to be less severe than men.

In English law, the law leaves no rome for a female rapist.

I admit: this sucks. However, it's not that the law makes no provision for women who rape men, but that it's considered a different crime unless penetration of the man is involved. (In British law, rape is considered to be when the offender, male or female, penetrates the victim; otherwise it's indecent assault.) And using "his" as the universal pronoun is the way most British law is anyway.

Still sucks though, since "indecent assault" has a maximum sentence of 10 years, while rape has a maximum sentence of life.

Myth:
"All sex offenders are male."

Man, knocking down those straw men is hard work.

If there are any pranks related to sex, then men have no chance of being represented fairly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeadI7jieDY
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/11/09/boy-13-arrested-after-pulling-down-female-students-pants-at-school/

Speaks for itself.

Small sample size and false equivocation do tend to speak for themselves, yes.

If a white woman gets raped, A white teenager goes missing or a little white baby girl gets murdered by her parent then stuffed in a trunk for a month, you can bet your ass that it will be reported over the violent stabbings of a poor, black man. Men going missing isn't any more tragic? Guys getting stabbed is of little concern compared to the daughter of an affluent family going missing in Portugal.

And how is that the fault of women again?

Spoiler

It's not. The media knows what sells. You might ask why it sells, but ultimately the blame goes to the people who decide to run these stories, and the people who run the media are still overwhelmingly men.

So yes, feminists around the world, you do have some things stacked against you, sepecially in the world of business, but you do have a LOT of things over men,

So only women can be feminists, is that it?

So what do you guys think about misandry?

I think it exists, though it's more subtle and less pronounced than misogyny.

I also think your post is mostly terrible and does not help your cause, but I'm sure you mean well.

And I also also think your omission of a "no" option (as I wrote this post, anyway) makes your poll kind of pointless. It's like "George Bush: Great president or greatest president?"

 

[Dags90]

I think it exists, though it's more subtle and less pronounced than misogyny.

I also think your post is mostly terrible and does not help your cause, but I'm sure you mean well.

And I also also think your omission of a "no" option makes your poll kind of pointless. It's like "George Bush: Great president or greatest president?"

1.) Thank you for making a long winded reply in place of myself or someone else, and on the first reply!
2.) There is a "no" option. Now, anyway.

To qualify my "no" vote: while misandry is a viewpoint I disagree with, I don't think it's a systemic problem.

I also love the generalizations of feminists. Try all you want, but nobody hates feminists like other feminists. Sex positive and old school feminists in the same room is just asking for trouble.

 

[realslimshadowen]

I think it exists, though it's more subtle and less pronounced than misogyny.

I also think your post is mostly terrible and does not help your cause, but I'm sure you mean well.

And I also also think your omission of a "no" option makes your poll kind of pointless. It's like "George Bush: Great president or greatest president?"

1.) Thank you for making a long winded reply in place of myself or someone else, and on the first reply!
2.) There is a "no" option. Now, anyway.

To qualify my "no" vote: while misandry is a viewpoint I disagree with, I don't think it's a systemic problem.

I also love the generalizations of feminists. Try all you want, but nobody hates feminists like other feminists. Sex positive and old school feminists in the same room is just asking for trouble.

When I started writing, there was "Yes" and "There needs to be some change."

And I agree with your point on feminists. To quote Brian K. Vaughn, the writer of Y - The Last Man, "The only thing that unites all the feminist writers, from Andrea Dworkin to Naomi Wolf, is that if you lock them in a room, they would murder each other."

 

[HumpinHop]

Can't make an Oblivion Guard reference without a warning, then?

Women couldn't even vote 40 years ago so there's still some ground to be covered, for sure. There are bound to be some people resentful towards men, but I think that, along with misogyny, is on the downwind. I don't believe I'm old enough to really comment on how it affects the world/business, etc., but as for the White Woman syndrome I think it's two things:

1) Anyone able to kill in general is some form of evil, but women have always been thought of as more innocent(women and children first, they're captured in war instead of killed, etc.) so their deaths are even worse.

2) Racism on the part of the media. If a black person dies in a black neighborhood, "that's what's expected" so it isn't news in their view. It's as if that's how they're expected to behave and so it is never a surprise. However, god help us all if a white guy kills a black guy, because they'll call down Rev Al to address the obvious racial motive.

It will weed itself out, but likely not anytime soon.

 

[Dags90]

And I agree with your point on feminists. To quote Brian K. Vaughn, the writer of Y - The Last Man, "The only thing that unites all the feminist writers, from Andrea Dworkin to Naomi Wolf, is that if you lock them in a room, they would murder each other."

The concept of homogeneous minorities is probably one of the most damaging things. It's a big part of the whole "us v. them" false dichotomy.

I partially blame We. "They put the "We" in 'Wedding shows' and the 'end' in feminism."

 

[SilentCom]

I don't see too much missandry so I would have to say it is not a serious problem.

 

[Gigano]

Well, obviously any woman who would vilify, belittle, make broad derogatory generalizations ("men only want one thing" etc.), or otherwise express an opinion of the lack of worth of "men" based solely on their gender is as much a sexist as would be true the other way around. In that regard misandry is real enough, and certainly present in some circles and how they talk of and to men.

However, the death penalty example is certainly no argument in itself for it being a widespread societal issue. The fact that there are far more men on death row would mostly be due to the fact that statistically, murder rates are dominated by men, and the murders committed by them are generally speaking more violent in nature. Hence it is still mostly due to the nature of the crimes committed, not gender, that men are far more often sentenced for aggravated murder.

The difference is profound and notable enough that it's certainly reasonable to speculate that a small part of it might be a societal unwillingness to execute women though.

Overall, misandry isn't much of a widespread problem outside of a few specific areas such as who'll get custody in divorce cases and such (not the father, that's for sure). Men aren't exactly the most oppressed of social groups right now, although this admittedly does nothing to lessen the severity of the individual cases of discrimination and disadvantage they might face.

 

[realslimshadowen]

And I agree with your point on feminists. To quote Brian K. Vaughn, the writer of Y - The Last Man, "The only thing that unites all the feminist writers, from Andrea Dworkin to Naomi Wolf, is that if you lock them in a room, they would murder each other."

The concept of homogeneous minorities is probably one of the most damaging things. It's a big part of the whole "us v. them" false dichotomy.

I partially blame We. "They put the "We" in 'Wedding shows' and the 'end' in feminism."

Exactly. ...although there's no d in feminism.

 

[cobra_ky]

So yes, feminists around the world, you do have some things stacked against you, sepecially in the world of business, but you do have a LOT of things over men, stuff which needs to be changed, and should be advertised just as much as your key points.
So what do you guys think about misandry?

It's a problem, but men by and large have it far better than women do. Not that it's a competition in the first place.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I don't think it's a problem YET. But if we're not careful it will BECOME a problem.

I like women as much as any heterosexual man does, but we should try to aim for equal footing, not female dominance.

 

[arsenicCatnip]

So yes, feminists around the world, you do have some things stacked against you, sepecially in the world of business, but you do have a LOT of things over men, stuff which needs to be changed, and should be advertised just as much as your key points.
So what do you guys think about misandry?

It's a problem, but men by and large have it far better than women do. Not that it's a competition in the first place.

Can't deny this. Men still make more money in the workplace than women, have more rights worldwide, and are generally in a better position than women.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I also love the generalizations of feminists. Try all you want, but nobody hates feminists like other feminists. Sex positive and old school feminists in the same room is just asking for trouble.

Gods, that is so true. ^^;;

I am a feminist. I also love getting laid. To quote Lady Gaga, I like it rough. I want to be able to wear sexy clothes because I love them, not because anyone else (man or woman) likes them. I want the right to choose what happens to my body, and the power to protect that choice.

I'd also like to get paid the same amount as a man doing the same job as me.

Oh, and I'd like porn to be a respectable profession. Right now, a woman is shamed if she acts in porn - that isn't right. Although, to be fair, men are also often shamed for acting in porn, so that's more about my belief that sexually expressive people need more respect, which is less about feminism and more about sexual mores in the USA and world in general, but I'm really getting off topic now....

The point is, saying that "feminist" believe any one thing is a really REALLY bad idea, OP. If you look at my post here, you'll be like "what, a feminist who likes porn?" and I'm like "yup - because it can be empowering". Can be, not is - honestly it depends on the porn. But again, getting off topic.

Anyway, yeah... there are lots of different kinds of feminist. I don't hate men - I just want the same opportunities as men are afforded, and to be respected for my choices.

Oh, and on that legal definition of rape - if a woman sticks a dildo into any orifice belonging to a man, and he doesn't want that done, then that definition still counts as rape. So that definition CAN apply to women - but only under very specific circumstances. I'm just saying.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

Oh lawdy brother, thank you defending the plight of the poor white male who is victimized and discriminated so frequently, having to suffer so many indignities through the course of history.
/sarcasm

Really this type of paranoid victim complex bullshit pisses me off. Feminism does not equal misandry and males have it easy, so quit your bitching. Men are also perfectly capable of being feminists and misandrists. As an equalist I believe the former encompasses a part of my ideology and as a misanthrope the latter makes up half of that disposition, so you could classify me as either one.

 

[TonyVonTonyus]

I think it is and there is definately a biased when it comes to gender in the cout system but then again it's kinda like racism. Someone has a genuine hate of a group (albeit a large group being half the planet) and it's going to take more than a thread on the Escapist to change their opinion (or should I say belief?) Their hate comes from something irrational or something a few people do that they apply to all. And not to seem like a dick or chauvanistic when I say this but it seems to be these people "fighting for women's rights" or at least a large number of them aren't fighting for equality but actually fighting for superiority. They seem to believe they're better simply for being women (not generalizing but feminists or at least the ones who's words I've heard seem to have this way of thinking and are genuinely perpetuators of mysandry) not that I really care about they're opinion, just like I don't care about the words of any other bigot.

 

[Brisky]

I've noticed an insane amount of Misandry and just general crappy treatment of males in general.

You noticed like an idiot.

Men are more likely to get the Death penalty. You can say that it is men who commit crimes more often, but these figures really speak for themselves.

Men commit more crimes. Lots more.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=442

Here's a statistic from 2006. 4/5 crimes commited were commited by males in the UK.

And I know that since I have said essentially that women should receive the death penalty more, I'd get labeled as chauvanistic scum, but essentially, I want what feminists want, equality of men and women. This is not equality, this is gender bias.

If you really just want more women to receive the death penalty then you are an asshole. You should want less people overall to receive the death penalty.

Fact:
The vast majority of sex offenders are male. However, females also commit sexual crimes.

The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated that 91% of United States rape victims were female and 9% were male, with 99% of the offenders being male and 1% of the offenders being female. I would have a source, but unfortunately that particular website is down at this time.

Is rape any less traumatic for a man than a woman? Is it anyone's right to say that if a man gets raped it isn't rape because he may have enjoyed it? Forcibly having sex with someone is said to "Ruin lives". Why doesn't this apply to men?

No, no (though it is difficult to enjoy rape), It can/will/has ruined lives, and it does apply to men.

I'm not even going into the likelyhood of there being many more "Unwanted forced sexual assaults" against men that aren't being reported due to shame.

this is insanely common with women. EDIT: something like 60% of ALL sexual assault cases go unreported.

In addition to this, Child molesters are often seen as less severe if it's woman on man. I mean, South Park highlighted this, as when it's a female teacher, most people just don't care.

south park isn't a source.

He has to pay money to the woman who repeatedly tells BOTH of their children that he's evil and he could possibly end up with a worse quality of living, and in some places, he'll lose up to half of his wealth.
Seems totally fair there.

Just like a made-up, sensational situation applied to all situations is fair.

(Missing) White Woman syndrome.

This whole part is basically trash so i won't even bother.

So yes, feminists around the world, you do have some things stacked against you, sepecially in the world of business, but you do have a LOT of things over men, stuff which needs to be changed, and should be advertised just as much as your key points.

Yes, females (not just feminists) around the world have a lot of things stacked against them. Like the consistent belief throughout history that one gender was superior to the other that still maintains to this day.

If you think the glass ceiling effect is gone, you are naive.


quote="SpartanBlackman" post="18.298638.11849642"]So what do you guys think about misandry?[/quote]

Of course misandry exists in some fashion.. But you put it the exact same way that privileged whites put it about things like affirmative action or, truely, any social system that helps reduce the severe gap between the WASP crowd and those who were not born into a system where they are not on top.

Your argument is stupid and juvenile.