Poll: Mixed Gender Showers
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So you'd get a chubby if you saw a naked 80 year old woman? I mean she'd be all naked, hey she might even be coming onto you, older people still get laid. You might not find her particularly attractive, but by your logic she's naked so... yeah sex. Not doing it for you? How about a naked 20 year old, all ready and raring to jump you... except she's 150kgs (thats 330 pounds for the non-metric) is your "little guy" still rising to the occasion? But... she's naked so again... sexy times yes?Akichi Daikashima said:
Sex is definitely hardwired into the brain, and at its most basic its the one thing we all have in common, the urge to breed... except for gay people. If sex is so impossible to remove from nudity then why aren't there modesty rules preventing homosexual people from sharing communal facilites where the sexes are segregated? Wouldn't the sight of a naked adult male/female (innocently changing in a gym locker room) be as traumatic(?)/impacting on a gay teenage boy/girl, as a straight teenager seeing a naked person of the opposite sex? Won't somebody think of the children.
It's easy to generalise and say that naked == sexy but when all is said and done it comes down to your mindset. Sure the first few times (or few thousand for the asshats) you might get aroused, but how long would it take until the person taking a shower across from you becomes a person and not just a pair of tits and a pussy or a cock and abs (or whatever it is that women like about men)
Oh god this would be the worst thing ever for me. Fucking hell on earth right there. Hell I got awkward showering with just guys after PE already, though that would probably also have to do with my, at the time latent, bisexuality.
Thing is, I have never had a boner that I could have stopped myself from having and am ludicrously easily turned on. Pair that with feeling awkward about being overweight, and just being very shy and awkward in social situations in general, I'd end up being the stinky guy on campus.
As for the poll, I don't think it'd have any effect on the grand scheme. It might change some individuals, but by and large boys like boobies, and that ain't never goin' outta style.
Thing is, I have never had a boner that I could have stopped myself from having and am ludicrously easily turned on. Pair that with feeling awkward about being overweight, and just being very shy and awkward in social situations in general, I'd end up being the stinky guy on campus.
As for the poll, I don't think it'd have any effect on the grand scheme. It might change some individuals, but by and large boys like boobies, and that ain't never goin' outta style.
As with my response to Akichi, do you get the biological urge to copulate with any naked person of the gender of your preference? Let's pre-empt the possible arguement of you wouldn't want to copulate with a minor or anyone too old because they're incapable of producing a child... except most females between the ages of 13 and 50 are capable of reproducing. Attraction to minors is instinctual isn't it? Anyone who would want sex with a 13yr old is a predator and should be reviled. Except thats an attitude that society has formed. Go back in time and if a girl wasn't married and bred by 16/17 she was doomed to being useless to her family.matthew_lane said:
Seeing a naked body only as a object of sexual pleasure, removing the personality of the person and seeing them only as the walking meatbag with pleasing sexual organs, that is objectification. There's a distinct difference between the two but I think its a bit more complicated then you're suggesting.
i'd probably get a boner in a shared shower anyways. :v good thing i've never been in that situationHardcore_gamer said:
ontopic, i don't see why coed showers would be bad assuming people can control themselves. i likely wouldn't but i never plan on using any shared shower so whatever.
Whatever chips away at the bizarre, puritan body shame we all culturally suffer from. At least here in the States.
I studied in Heidelberg, Germany for a summer semester in 2005 when I was in college. For the first two weeks, I was living in a super old and dingy building that was used as dorms for the students at that university (also all international students), before they moved me and a handful of other lucky girls into a private apartment down the road for some reason.
Thinking back, those bathrooms were all coed. At first I thought that was really strange, but really how it worked out was that there was a door to the bathroom itself with sinks and toilets, and a door to the shower room. Girls and guys still did the actual showering separate, and a common courtesy policy was adopted by the students in which they'd watch the door when some people of either gender were in there showering. I always got dressed in my room, and we all brushed our teeth/dried our hair together in the bathroom.
Something tells me that'd probably be how it goes down, unless people start raising their kids without the stigma attached to it.
Thinking back, those bathrooms were all coed. At first I thought that was really strange, but really how it worked out was that there was a door to the bathroom itself with sinks and toilets, and a door to the shower room. Girls and guys still did the actual showering separate, and a common courtesy policy was adopted by the students in which they'd watch the door when some people of either gender were in there showering. I always got dressed in my room, and we all brushed our teeth/dried our hair together in the bathroom.
Something tells me that'd probably be how it goes down, unless people start raising their kids without the stigma attached to it.
I agree that this should be a thing from the very beginning. Many MANY children are taught by their parents, probably unintentionally, that sex is taboo, that it's embarrassing. That's what happens when your kid asks you about it and you say "I'll tell you when you're older."Vareoth said:
it depends, open stall showers like at a gym or jail? definatly divide it, you know how many people would get sexually assulted? doing something like that is just asking for it. with the bathroom thing its the urinals, i would never want to walk into a bathroom with a guys dick out while he's taking a piss. thats just disgusting. if there were proper closed stalls with urinals then i would be totally fine with it if both sexes used the same bathroom.
wtf is up with urinals anyways? its like peeing in public almost. some of then dont even have dividers so you stand next to other guys peeing.
wtf is up with urinals anyways? its like peeing in public almost. some of then dont even have dividers so you stand next to other guys peeing.
I'm going to agree with the serious part of your post here and say that trauma from nudity sounds like complete bullshit. I have been in your situation too when I was a kid and while I am kinda messed up now I don't think that's because I sometimes had to shower in the presence of women when I went to the pool... I realize I make a pretty bad case here...excalipoor said:
OT: I think a lot of people would be uncomfortable with this. I know there are some people on this site who wont go to the gym or the pool because they have to share with people of the same gender and I used to be uncomfortable about that myself until I really took a firm grip on myself. I have body issues and thus I'm not comfortable about my own nudity. I would get rid of my bathroom mirror if I didn't have to shave every now and then.
Some are against this for religious reasons. There have been schools where certain students have boycotted P.E. because they would have to shower with other girls present and demanded stalls to be made. Some of those from these groups demand separate classes for boys and girls in order to keep from interacting. Now that is obviously taking it several steps too far, but it shows how bad things would get if they were to share showers.
Now I would be uncomfortable being naked with women in the room, even if I were fully clothed and more so if I weren't. It would be healthy if this wasn't the case and if we could live in a society where we really could be 100% comfortable with our nudity it would be nice.
I think we should respect the fact that many of us are uncomfortable with this and thus I think it's a bad idea.
So long as there is always at least the option of privacy I don't have an inherent issue with it.
I feel that our society needs to break away from the flawed idea that nudity = sexuality. The only question in my opinion is whether something like this would help, or we need to do something a bit more intermediate first. Given the... mentality most of my male peers currently have towards women, I suspect the latter is true.
I feel that our society needs to break away from the flawed idea that nudity = sexuality. The only question in my opinion is whether something like this would help, or we need to do something a bit more intermediate first. Given the... mentality most of my male peers currently have towards women, I suspect the latter is true.
I don't see why we'd have to have mixed showers. Separate showers have worked fine until now. But if you must have then they should be completely optional with the separate shower alternative.
I'd rather everyone just showered separately.
That way you don't see people who really shouldn't be seen naked, and you don't see people too attractive to be seen when you're in such a *ahem* compromising postion.
Same reason why I'll never go to a nudist beach.
That way you don't see people who really shouldn't be seen naked, and you don't see people too attractive to be seen when you're in such a *ahem* compromising postion.
Same reason why I'll never go to a nudist beach.
show me an ideal society, and i'll support this concept. there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. in fact, with appropriate social structure, it would be better than sex segregation. however, i don't live in an ideal society, so i know it wouldn't turn out well here, specifically.
No. Keep them separate. This is coming from a woman. If there can be an option for open showers between genders, then that's fine.
I don't want anyone ogling at me. I'm showering. It's not a show. I don't care if you're looking for 'equality' in the showers. I want to take a shower by myself.
I don't want anyone ogling at me. I'm showering. It's not a show. I don't care if you're looking for 'equality' in the showers. I want to take a shower by myself.
Well I'd find that rather awkward. Got nothing against girls specifically seeing me naked, I'm the same with other guys and tend to shower alone and dress alone but I do think this could be a good idea. IF you could convince the more prudish of society to accept it I see no reason why you couldn't implement it at a very young age when children have little concept of sexuality anyway.
But I don't think you could just add it in at, say, college or uni level as I can see that causing rather large problems or comfort issues.
But I don't think you could just add it in at, say, college or uni level as I can see that causing rather large problems or comfort issues.
When i was at uni in halls we had specific male/female showers or toilets, they were all separate stalls and we never had any issues.
I think we should just be able shower separately, in that every individual can shower privately without being seen by anyone else.
But ultimately I don't think it would change anything. But I think a college should definitely have option open for gender-separated showers at the very least.
But ultimately I don't think it would change anything. But I think a college should definitely have option open for gender-separated showers at the very least.