Poll: Modding is EXTREMELY important in games. Agreed?

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Winji

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Depends on the game completely. Not all games need to have anykind of mods even near them when in for example Bethesda games they often provide the players with longer gamelife.
It's a double-edged sword. Sometimes you can find stuff that will improve the game and sometimes you find mods that give the female characters enormous tits.

semi-off topic:
I also like the choices you given for us...
Either you agree that mods make any shitty game great or you basically eat kittens for breakfast.
 

Cabisco

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Certain types of games yes, important suggests that games need mods to be good which I'd argue they don't.

However any game can be made better with good mods, mods are fantastic but important suggests they are fundemental to it being good.

Anyway as someone with an old crappy laptop and an xbox this is a discussion which makes me sad, I want some of that mod goodness :(
 

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If a game allows modding, I'll have mods. So it's definitely something that's important too me. I don't think I'd buy a Bethesda game for example if mods weren't available.

Considering the likes of Day Z, where a mod can send the base game straight to the top of the steam charts for weeks on end then I hope publishers start to see how important mods can be to a continuing sales cycle.
 

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Allow me to say this: The options are incredibly one sided, they have almost no middle ground for me. Personally mods are pretty fun, but if a game doesn't have mods it's not a deal breaker. I mean, would you honestly stop playing games like Skyrim or Guild Wars 2 because you couldn't mod it (i know the second option doesn't make sense so just call me stupid and move on).

Mods are fun and a good way for inspiring developers to get there feet wet with mechanics and 3D modeling, but not all games need to have mods.

So mods are alright, but they're not like the end-all-be-all of video games. They're just icing on an already pretty good cake. Sure, the cake tastes fine on its own but having a bow that shoots spiders and having every NPC sport ladies lingerie is nice frosting to a somewhat dry cake. (I felt like I just channeled yahtzee).
 

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Circumstantial, but many games can benefit from it.

Personally I think it is the multiplayer games that benefit most. Just look at Unreal. From skins to new guns to new game modes and all sorts of nonsense. Mod communities are probably what keeps these old shooters going.

And Half Life. Pretty sure Counter Strike, Team Fortress, Natural Selection and god knows what else(Red Orchestra?) all started off as mods. And they too get modded.

Custom maps for Warcraft/Starcraft? Spawned entirely new genres. The goddamn MOBA which is so damn popular. All those tower defenses that won't stop multiplying all over my phone.

And they are nice to have for stuff like Skyrim, granted a lot of it does miss the point and throw game balance out of the window. But hey, nobody's ramming all the mods in your face. Some people enjoy completely messing the game up, some not so much. Some like to do it as an afterthought after clearing the game properly. And there are plenty of mods that do attempt to take game balance and progression into consideration. Though really, Skyrim's own balance is kinda way iffy anywaaay that you can break it without mods.

The way certain games are sold these days does mess up modding. Where do mods come in when everything is tied to an account with level progression, leaderboards and all that jazz which is considered standard issue? With the dev/publishers having full control over the servers? There's a certain clash.

And there's the whole consoles not working with mods, which is rubbish. Just look at Trials Evolution. I mean seriously, you can make entirely different games in it. Halo itself at the very least has Forge and flexible game rule options. And with players deciding their own rules can lead to all sorts of nonsense. I never thought Infection would be anything but what it was, but hey we turned it into Rocket Launcher Hide 'n Seek.
 

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How could it be bad? If there's a mod which does something you don't like/approve of, then don't install it. If there's something that looks fun you'd like to try out, then try it out.
I'd be playing BF3 if they supported their modding community and I'd likely buy future installments if they allowed for modding. Currently there's little chance of that.
Game developers aren't omnipotent beings who can do no wrong in their creations. It only hurts consumers to restrict modding so you can reliably sell your dlc season pass and yearly followup.
 

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Elder Scrolls would have died back in Oblivion with all it's console crap, Valve wouldn't have some of it's most popular games, Kotor 2, Bloodlines and many others would be much worse off, Natural Selection and Red Orchestra wouldn't exist and lots of developers wouldn't have been discovered.

Modding and custom content in general is one of the pillars of pc gaming it's terrible to see more and more games with no mod tools and in fact completely closed systems that have to be violated in order to make modding possible.
 

MajorTomServo

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I just wanted to say that those are terrible poll options.

And so I don't get a warning, I'm mostly a console peasant, but with the PC games I do play, mods are nice I guess, but not essential.
 

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In my opinion modding is a thing that should not exist. Its insulting to the developers of the game and frankly completely bonkers as a concept. Imagine if we did this with movies or books.

Imagine if someone watched avatar, didn't like the monster design and went and airbrushed over all of it with new designs completely, we would call him crazy.

Also you need to change the poll because atm the No option sounds sarcastic and insulting to the people who would choose it, implying that the only correct choice is yes which isnt very good for discussion.
 

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Darkasassin96 said:
In my opinion modding is a thing that should not exist. Its insulting to the developers of the game and frankly completely bonkers as a concept. Imagine if we did this with movies or books.

Imagine if someone watched avatar, didn't like the monster design and went and airbrushed over all of it with new designs completely, we would call him crazy.

Also you need to change the poll because atm the No option sounds sarcastic and insulting to the people who would choose it, implying that the only correct choice is yes which isnt very good for discussion.
People actually do that though, it's called fan art, or fan-fiction for the writing.Pretty much everything that's ever been popular at some time or another has fan art and fanfics.
 

Darkasassin96

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Corakus1 said:
Darkasassin96 said:
In my opinion modding is a thing that should not exist. Its insulting to the developers of the game and frankly completely bonkers as a concept. Imagine if we did this with movies or books.

Imagine if someone watched avatar, didn't like the monster design and went and airbrushed over all of it with new designs completely, we would call him crazy.

Also you need to change the poll because atm the No option sounds sarcastic and insulting to the people who would choose it, implying that the only correct choice is yes which isnt very good for discussion.
People actually do that though, it's called fan art, or fan-fiction for the writing.Pretty much everything that's ever been popular at some time or another has fan art and fanfics.

Yes but I think we can pretty much all agree that most fan fiction is terrible, and we dont put fan fiction on a pedestal as something thats required for a book or story to succeed.

I think one of the main reasons modding gets defended is that its mostly a PC exclusive thing. In the immortal words of Yahtzee Croshaw "fanboys will defend swarms of angry wasps if they exclusively nest in xbox casings" I believe that can apply to any platform.
 

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As someone who would have given up on minecraft long ago if not for the 39 mods I installed; I would say yes, thay are extremely important and enjoyable. They usually increase the lifespan of the base game, add more content for free, add some much needed polish and life saving tweaks and occasionally start franchises and even genres. (CS, TF, DoTA etc.)

Short version; If it isn't moddable, it is not perfect. Wrap your head around that.
 

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It earned a shitload of money for Valve (and it still does) and a lot of respect and love for Bethesda.

One of the most famous multiplayer shooters in history is Counter Strike. And that started out as just another Half-Life mod. So yes, modding is important. Only idiotic companies like EA could think that it endangers their chance of milking money from their customers.
 

Pink Gregory

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Certainly we could stand to see more user-friendly map editors, a la Far Cry 2 but without the ridiculous item restrictions.
 

neppakyo

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Darkasassin96 said:
In my opinion modding is a thing that should not exist. Its insulting to the developers of the game and frankly completely bonkers as a concept. Imagine if we did this with movies or books.

Imagine if someone watched avatar, didn't like the monster design and went and airbrushed over all of it with new designs completely, we would call him crazy.

Also you need to change the poll because atm the No option sounds sarcastic and insulting to the people who would choose it, implying that the only correct choice is yes which isnt very good for discussion.
Hrm, almost sounds like you're applying 'artistic integrity' to your reply here. I've heard enough of video games is art, and artistic integrity from the bioware forums.

And you're wrong. Modding is great, a lot of times it fixes bugs that developers refuse to fix, and it can extend the lifetime of a game. Look at neverwinter nights 1 by bioware, it's still being played to this day, still loads of persistant worlds to connect to, and modders have made that game better than the original.

Not saying its amust, but I think modding is important, for certain genres and games.
 

rasputin0009

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DICE needs to embrace modding again for the Battlefield series. I blame EA for the short-sightedness. They must think they'll lose sales in DLC which is completely ridiculous. A lot of mods need the DLC to work. Take a look at Battlefield 1942. It had lots of awesome mods and it still sold both of its expansion packs very well. Because those awesome mods required the expansions.
 
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Your poll offends me. I refuse to use it.

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To some extent. Fallout and Elder Scrolls mods are fun to use and build, but I wouldn't call them essential. Fallout 3 still became my favorite game of all time just from playing it on my Xbox 360 without a single mod.

When I did finally start adding them, yes, they were good. They still can't compare to official developer DLC except is a VERY few instances like Cube Experimental. It's mostly a voice acting issue.

I think it would be nice to have ever game be fully mod ready, but it just isn't feasible. Furthermore, if a company has to push a release date just to squeeze in modding capability, I'll take the game sooner than later thanks.
 

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Lygus said:
Why publishers are afraid to support modding?
Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt modding against the EULA or what the fuck ever its called? Basically because it is changing the basic game? Thats the only thing I can think of, and with developers like Bethesda, they dont even seem to care.

Only oither reason I could see is because, like you said, money.