Poll: MS may be pricks but maybe they aren't complete morons.
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31 Million people who owned 360s never had Xbox Live accounts. My guess is 2/3rds of them never got an account due to faulty internet. At any rate, my main guess is that Microsoft will lose a fair amount of their original 360 fanbase due to faulty internet alone. Past that, the people that still just hate the draconian policies will also not continue forward, and there has to be a good few million there. The won't be getting any more fans because they have nothing to offer anyone that wasn't already in the Xbox circle of consumers, and even then there will probably be plenty of people that can't afford the $500 price tag, or simply want a next gen console for multi-plat games, and will probably go for a cheaper one at that. All in all, nothing is going to gain Microsoft any support, only their most loyal fans will stick by their side, and so it won't sell near as well as the 360 did, we can at least tell that much for now. They might still make money, but the market will most likely shift in favor of Sony due to all this. I wouldn't fear too much.Doom972 said:
Looks at Windows 8
Yes, they know what they are doing /sarcasm.
I don't know about you, but alienating your main install base by forcing them to use a tablet OS wasn't the best strategy.
The current debarkle only confirms my personal theory: MS is run by corporate bureaucrats with no idea what to do.
Yes, they know what they are doing /sarcasm.
I don't know about you, but alienating your main install base by forcing them to use a tablet OS wasn't the best strategy.
The current debarkle only confirms my personal theory: MS is run by corporate bureaucrats with no idea what to do.
If it's the case of faulty internet connection, then they'll most likely return it the moment they realize they need an internet connection for it. I don't think the ones with the internet problems are the ones that will be in the uninformed masses group. There is still going to be a great shift from Xbox due to this, despite brand loyalty, ignorance, and a "fuck other people's problems" attitude. They won't keep that 77 Million that they had this generation, that much is at least certain.Doom972 said:
No publicly owned Company deliberately creates a shit-storm, walks into that shit-storm head first without glasses on, and screams out to their potential customers from amongst the tornado of feces "THIS IS THE FUTURE!". It's irresponsible to their shareholders, and so is an incredibly expensive endeavor that will cost people their jobs.
Microsoft banked on their reveal wow-ing the mainstream audience with the prospect of voice and gesture controlled TV. Since then, their strategy has never come together, because that was their entire game plan. Kinect powered TV. That's all they had. That should advertise how immensely disconnected they are from the general public. They really are that stupid.
Hell, Don Mattrick's comments alone qualify Microsoft for the title of dumbest company at this point.
And now, everything moving forward carries the systemic problems created by poor decisions based on the concept that "Xbox One is an entertainment media hub". Riding on from the worst console reveal in history, they then receive the greatest public smack down in E3's entire history. There has never been such an open and focused backlash to a gaming console in the industry's history.
Does that strike you as the moves an incredibly smart company would make?
Microsoft banked on their reveal wow-ing the mainstream audience with the prospect of voice and gesture controlled TV. Since then, their strategy has never come together, because that was their entire game plan. Kinect powered TV. That's all they had. That should advertise how immensely disconnected they are from the general public. They really are that stupid.
Hell, Don Mattrick's comments alone qualify Microsoft for the title of dumbest company at this point.
And now, everything moving forward carries the systemic problems created by poor decisions based on the concept that "Xbox One is an entertainment media hub". Riding on from the worst console reveal in history, they then receive the greatest public smack down in E3's entire history. There has never been such an open and focused backlash to a gaming console in the industry's history.
Does that strike you as the moves an incredibly smart company would make?
As someone who bought it, you forgot to mentionGabe Yaden said:
-random hikes in subscription music passes when the company isn't doing so hot
-underdevelopment of apps even though they were trying to go against their competitor who built their freaking house on the idea of the 'app'
-When Microsoft gives up on it, they'll reach in and strip functions that really don't even affect them. like your ability to put on apps on your zune... Even though that was one of the things you bought it for..
As someone who's bought all of them,ObsidianJones said:
Why the hell would someone buy a music pass from zune when it plays any media type, go to soundcloud follow any of your favorite artist/Djs and you'll be steam rolled by all the free music thats given, I think I have somewhere in the 10,000 range of free songs alone.
As for the apps... o well haven't used one app haven't needed to, maybe thats a deal breaker for some people, guess it sucks. But I could care less when i'm given the ability to use just about any song format as well as many video formats.
It's even worse. In both cases they also alienated, if not enraged their key business partners. The people that they need to keep their core business afloat. OEM computer manufacturers and resellers remain more than a bit ticked at MS over Windows 8 and the Surface. Now they have major game publishers like Ubisoft and EA climbing over each other in their race to get some distance from MS and the used games issue. While their primary retail outlets have got to be a bit furious. (Does anyone else think that the XBones presence in Gamestops will be in the darkest dustier corner, behind the PSVita shelves?)Ed130 said:
Ticking off e customers is business as usual for MS. Ticking off he partners? That's extra special.
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Microsoft has already realized that what they are doing is completely fucking stupid but are to embarrassed to admit it. They probably think that if they back down now that they'll be making gamers think we can get our way with whatever we want.
Well that's stupid, we aren't a hive mind. If we were then there would never be any arguments about which console is better and when people called for a boycott it would actually happen instead of people threatening each other to not play something.
Microsoft has already realized that what they are doing is completely fucking stupid but are to embarrassed to admit it. They probably think that if they back down now that they'll be making gamers think we can get our way with whatever we want.
Well that's stupid, we aren't a hive mind. If we were then there would never be any arguments about which console is better and when people called for a boycott it would actually happen instead of people threatening each other to not play something.
I loved the Zune wholesale when I first got it, but Microsoft really showed their hand when they decided to take their functionality away.Gabe Yaden said:
You pay for a device for the expressed functions, one has the reason to believe that device will always give those functions. Microsoft not only decided that it would stop offering these things, but it stripped devices of the ability to add the content it used as a selling point. Didn't care for or try the pass thing, but it is technically a function I 'bought'.
I shrugged and just got a device that would give me what I want. However, any company that practices those policies, I marvel over the loyalty it generates. Not saying that's you. But in general.
Well I can't argue with you there, Having no interest in the apps or whatever their music service is I can't really say anything one way or the other. I am slightly surprised they don't just piggyback on what ever the nokia phone thing is doing seeing how it looks to just be a reskinned zune HD with phone functions.ObsidianJones said:
The microsoft zune division sealed the deal for me when my Ltd. edition Halo 3 Zune broke and they sent me an aluminum coffin like case to have it sent in. They sent back a brand new Halo one as well as moved over all my info from the older hard drive, which was a godsend seeing how some of those songs would be hard to get back.*
They even sent someone to cook me and the girlfriend dinner, did the dishes, taught me to play the pipe organ, walked the dog, had someone do my taxes, manually added bubbles to my bubble bath with a syringe, lowered my cholesterol, aired my tires and balanced them, and ironed my jeans...
Theres a slight chance anything after the asterisk might not have happened that way.
You mean she wasn't?! Oh damn...I guess that explains old ramblin' Joe Biden. I thought he just got the job after Palin was called back to Alaska to defend against a pending invasion of renegade Russian circus bears.TheCommanders said:
It didn't, as you seem so enlightened tell us what the rate was? This should be good since Micro$oft has been asked directly many times and their reps never answer the question. The range asked about goes from 16% to 32% to 50% and above Micro$oft never confirmed or denied any of them thinking that the better option, guess it worked cause they kept buying them even multiple consoles after warranties expired. The reason they had a high defect rate, whatever the number is was because they launched early, running to the finish line before Sony or Nintendo could get there, cutting corners along the way, what Micro$oft does best.Zachary Amaranth said:
Unfortunately, no matter how abusive and seemingly self destructive a company makes a gaming product, it seems the lines of consumers never ends, and so I don't think Microsoft are as stupid as they are purely lawful evil for taking advantage of what has somehow become the consumer segment with the lowest average intelligence and self-preservation.
The 'fanrape creep' seemingly has no limit unfortunately, because consumers are too brick-headed.
The 'fanrape creep' seemingly has no limit unfortunately, because consumers are too brick-headed.
zune was actually good for what it was.good quality, never broke, and practicly dwarfed the ipod in all functions.It's just that people prefer cheaper over a good product.9thRequiem said: