Wait. What if the Rakatan created the reapers. That would explain why the Rakatan were so much more advanced before their end.Frission said:
Poll: Nerdy Match Ups: The Infinite Empire VS The Reapers!
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The plot, she thickens. Except that the Leviathans created the Reapers, sadly.The_Lost_King said:
I guess the things you imagine usually are always better than reality.
EDIT: Well, the Leviathans created the A.I. that created the reapers.
If they got to the planet in the first place. And anyways, while Stormtroopers themselves are rather useless, AT-ATs versus Destroyers would be an awesome fight. Or Juggernaut Assault Tanks.silver wolf009 said:
The point was perspective. I don't like people saying Star Wars or whatever scifi setting has an advantage when it's something we can do today. However crudely in some respects. Think about what tech is at today before you say they can destroy planets. Or wipe out planets. It's better sure, but it can still be done today. To say it's a major advantage is bias thinking at best.The_Lost_King said:
Also I don't much care this is another example of a system of rules Vs a system without rules. Star Wars isn't limited by rules and can pretty much do anything it want's. Mass Effect can't, sure they can throw out some techno babble and bend there rules. But they are still there.
The Leviathan were the apex species during the time before the Reapers. Their actions led to the creation of their downfall.Frission said:
It's wikitastic! http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan
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I liked it better when the Reapers were more mysterious. They looked like REAL eldritch horrors instead of a pet for a broken A.I.
At least the Leviathans are suitably majestic. Imagination will always outperform everything unfortunately.
Infinite Empire all the way.
They have the force and all its negative effed up uses.
The thing that sets them apart is the Star Forge. The Star forge can create a limitless supply of ships and droids to fight the reapers and their husks. Also, they could potentially fix a Star Forge to any star in the galaxy. The reapers can only reproduce and replenish their ranks at the end of every cycle. This means to even create 1 more reaper they would need to completely defeat the Rakata.
Rakata win hands down.
They have the force and all its negative effed up uses.
The thing that sets them apart is the Star Forge. The Star forge can create a limitless supply of ships and droids to fight the reapers and their husks. Also, they could potentially fix a Star Forge to any star in the galaxy. The reapers can only reproduce and replenish their ranks at the end of every cycle. This means to even create 1 more reaper they would need to completely defeat the Rakata.
Rakata win hands down.
Oh sorry, you're stuck in just a Tie Interceptor? Allow me to introduce you to the depths of space, without any operating systems.Ishal said:Io- I- Ion.. cannons.. *shudders*Soviet Heavy said:
Cruel to even bring those up
Sure would have been nice to invest in some shields, wouldn't it?
Yes that happened to me all too often as I actually did pilot an Interceptor the majority of the time. I liked its aesthetic and its high maneuverability. When I played x-wing vs tie fighter I'd either use the interceptor or that 3 wing Tie Fighter, the defender I think it was called.Soviet Heavy said:Oh sorry, you're stuck in just a Tie Interceptor? Allow me to introduce you to the depths of space, without any operating systems.Ishal said:Io- I- Ion.. cannons.. *shudders*Soviet Heavy said:
Cruel to even bring those up
Sure would have been nice to invest in some shields, wouldn't it?
That said, it was only a pain IF they managed to hit me.
Tie Defender is the one you are thinking of. As for me, I prefer the Tie Advanced, AKA the Avenger. Equal speed to an A-Wing, insanely maneuverable and it has light shielding in case you get locked onto. Played right, they can be a match for any other starfighter, including the Defender.Ishal said:Yes that happened to me all too often as I actually did pilot an Interceptor the majority of the time. I liked its aesthetic and its high maneuverability. When I played x-wing vs tie fighter I'd either use the interceptor or that 3 wing Tie Fighter, the defender I think it was called.Soviet Heavy said:Oh sorry, you're stuck in just a Tie Interceptor? Allow me to introduce you to the depths of space, without any operating systems.Ishal said:Io- I- Ion.. cannons.. *shudders*Soviet Heavy said:
Cruel to even bring those up
Sure would have been nice to invest in some shields, wouldn't it?
That said, it was only a pain IF they managed to hit me.
I am voting for the Rakatan Empire for the situation that you described, when the Reapers arrival is noticed and an all out war is fought between the two. The advantages of replenishing ships/weaponry from the Star Forge and having hyperdrive to be able to harass their enemies would be enough to deal with the reapers fairly quickly.
However, using tactics more similar to their strategy in Mass Effect, I think the Reapers would be more likely to win. If they approached unnoticed and scouted/indoctrinated minor worlds, the Reapers could potentially learn about the Star Forge and attack it quickly. Without the Star Forge, the Rakatan Empire would be wiped out completely.
As for the spaceship tech differences the OP mentioned, I think the shields by both sides would be effective at slowing down the other sides fire. The shields used in Star Wars are used to block missile strikes in addition to lasers, and at least the humans/others in Mass Effect had some small degree of energy weaponry that the Reapers were deflecting. Because of this, I think they would be close to even in space engagements with the war being won by unlimited reinforcements from the Star Forge.
Ground battles would be won by the Reapers simply through bombardment from space or indoctrination. They would use species from the Star Wars galaxy, and in the games that we learn about Rakatans, rancors were pretty common so they could be made into larger versions of brutes. The force could potentially protect some of the rakatans from being indoctrinated themselves, but I do not think this would protect the majority of them anymore than the biotic abilities of the Asari. Also the slave races would be mostly vulnerable to indoctrination, providing the Reapers much large/better ground forces.
As a slightly related note, in the extended universe the star wars galaxy does get invaded from another galaxy that uses a strategy close to what I described for the Reapers without indoctrination.[footnote]http://http//starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong_Empire[/footnote] This other group was able to invade without being noticed until their arrival, which leads me to think the Rakatans would be more likely focusing on threats inside the galaxy rather than an outside invasion.
TLDR: Rakatans win the all out war described by the OP, Reapers win a slower invasion that learns of the Star Forge and deals with it quickly.
However, using tactics more similar to their strategy in Mass Effect, I think the Reapers would be more likely to win. If they approached unnoticed and scouted/indoctrinated minor worlds, the Reapers could potentially learn about the Star Forge and attack it quickly. Without the Star Forge, the Rakatan Empire would be wiped out completely.
As for the spaceship tech differences the OP mentioned, I think the shields by both sides would be effective at slowing down the other sides fire. The shields used in Star Wars are used to block missile strikes in addition to lasers, and at least the humans/others in Mass Effect had some small degree of energy weaponry that the Reapers were deflecting. Because of this, I think they would be close to even in space engagements with the war being won by unlimited reinforcements from the Star Forge.
Ground battles would be won by the Reapers simply through bombardment from space or indoctrination. They would use species from the Star Wars galaxy, and in the games that we learn about Rakatans, rancors were pretty common so they could be made into larger versions of brutes. The force could potentially protect some of the rakatans from being indoctrinated themselves, but I do not think this would protect the majority of them anymore than the biotic abilities of the Asari. Also the slave races would be mostly vulnerable to indoctrination, providing the Reapers much large/better ground forces.
As a slightly related note, in the extended universe the star wars galaxy does get invaded from another galaxy that uses a strategy close to what I described for the Reapers without indoctrination.[footnote]http://http//starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong_Empire[/footnote] This other group was able to invade without being noticed until their arrival, which leads me to think the Rakatans would be more likely focusing on threats inside the galaxy rather than an outside invasion.
TLDR: Rakatans win the all out war described by the OP, Reapers win a slower invasion that learns of the Star Forge and deals with it quickly.
I think we have the plot to Mass Effect 4 and/or the new Disney Star Wars right here.
The Rakatan Empire would win because the Star Wars Galaxy doesn't have Mess Relays. The Mass Relays allow the Reapers to perform a massive full scale surprise invasion. In the Star Wars Galaxy however the Reapers would have to travel conventionally which would take centuries at least.
The Reapers were specifically made for OUR galaxy. They use the Citadel and Relays and their dormant flagship (Sovereign) as well as sythesized former races (Collectors) all to achieve victory. They could certainly do without a few of these, but not all of them.
If the Rakatan had risen to power in OUR galaxy and the Reapers invaded it would be a clear victory for the Reapers. Assuming the Rakatan aren't able to build a crucible like in ME.
The Rakatan Empire would win because the Star Wars Galaxy doesn't have Mess Relays. The Mass Relays allow the Reapers to perform a massive full scale surprise invasion. In the Star Wars Galaxy however the Reapers would have to travel conventionally which would take centuries at least.
The Reapers were specifically made for OUR galaxy. They use the Citadel and Relays and their dormant flagship (Sovereign) as well as sythesized former races (Collectors) all to achieve victory. They could certainly do without a few of these, but not all of them.
If the Rakatan had risen to power in OUR galaxy and the Reapers invaded it would be a clear victory for the Reapers. Assuming the Rakatan aren't able to build a crucible like in ME.
I wish man. I'd pay good money to see this on the silver screen. Heck, I'd pay good coin to see anything revolving around the Old Republic or the Infinite Empire on the big screen. Hopefully with a sense of quality control about it mind.OlasDAlmighty said:
The Infinite empire I mean the reaper's main advantage is that everyone uses the technology they want and every one goes down the path the reapers want
heres a more interesting one
reapers vs Chaos (40k) espcially in terms of indoctrination who would win?
reapers vs Chaos (40k) espcially in terms of indoctrination who would win?
What I got out of indoctrination is that it's not a "mind trick" as much as it is psychology. They trick you into thinking the same way as they do by suggestion and hallucination. And I see no reason to think that a Jedi can't fall for both of those. I mean they are just human, alien. If the method is explained the immunity has to be explained as well. Yeah system of rules and all that, you know what I am going to say.The_Lost_King said:
The Reapers.
The Rakatan feels like lazy writing; its like an evil empire, but they are better at everything. They are better force users than everyone else, have better weapons than everyone else, better ships than everyone else, better technology than everyone else, more resources than everyone else and are eviler than everyone else. Besides, they are humans (or similar), which automatically makes them less cooler.
The Reapers (at least until 3) are eldritch abominations. They can't be understand, they can't be bargained with, negotiated with, or surrender to. To them, we are nothing but insects in the field and serve no propose than theirs. Even interacting to them can drive people insane and an agent to them. Much like zombies, they can use the fallens to add to their numbers. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger. They are an army of flying Cthulhu who has faced countless civilizations over countless eons, and now they are coming for us.
The Rakatan feels like lazy writing; its like an evil empire, but they are better at everything. They are better force users than everyone else, have better weapons than everyone else, better ships than everyone else, better technology than everyone else, more resources than everyone else and are eviler than everyone else. Besides, they are humans (or similar), which automatically makes them less cooler.
The Reapers (at least until 3) are eldritch abominations. They can't be understand, they can't be bargained with, negotiated with, or surrender to. To them, we are nothing but insects in the field and serve no propose than theirs. Even interacting to them can drive people insane and an agent to them. Much like zombies, they can use the fallens to add to their numbers. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger. They are an army of flying Cthulhu who has faced countless civilizations over countless eons, and now they are coming for us.
So did the Protheans, the Leviathans and the Geth... It didn't do them any good.Smeggs said: