Poll: New Batman Villain?
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yeah, there are lots of non-supernatural ways to incorporate "supernatural" batman villains. Mr Freeze is the hardest one to buy in that regard, and that's a shame, because he's my favorite villain of all.Quantum Roberts said:
There's a reason those Super Natural Villains rose to the top and were reused a lot.. Namely, that there are a shit ton of really really shitty batman villains out there... and not just from the campy tv show (although there are several tv show only villains who were particularly bad, like Egghead and King Tut)..
They'll probably throw Victor Zsasz in there somewhere, but he's from a new breed of batman villains and doesn't have the iconic name power that most have.
And didn't they do Two Face? That's pretty super natural. A real life human being wouldn't be able to function like that. Not even a little bit. If half their body was burned in that way they'd be in an induced coma and wouldn't have an option to refuse skin grafting.. and they certainly wouldn't be driving around, flipping coins and killing people..
Another trick they added was that Raz Al-Ghul's apparent immortality was achieved through the same ninja trickery that Batman learned in the League of Shadows. The "real" Raz is hidden as a lackey while the figure-head can be killed and consistently "recast" as it were. That's the realistic interpretation for a mythical figure that can't be killed. Also where Batman gets his whole theatricality, and how even if Bruce Wayne died, anybody else could pick up the Batsuit and as far as Gotham is concerned, Batman is still around.
Unfortunately for the old school villains, most of the new school characters (especially a few you can find in Arkham Asylum through the biographies) are better suited psychological villains. Penguin would be the easiest old school-er to fit in, a short guy who wears a "penguin-suit". That was a nice touch by that other poster. But seeing as how they've all ready incorporated both Maroni and Falcone from the Jeph Loeb books, I would say Black Mask would be good, because at this point in the Bat-verse for Nolan, the mobsters are getting screwed left and right by super-villains. The Black Mask, being a former mobster himself plays nicely into their attempt to do something about it, but we saw how that worked out with The Joker.
Unfortunately for the old school villains, most of the new school characters (especially a few you can find in Arkham Asylum through the biographies) are better suited psychological villains. Penguin would be the easiest old school-er to fit in, a short guy who wears a "penguin-suit". That was a nice touch by that other poster. But seeing as how they've all ready incorporated both Maroni and Falcone from the Jeph Loeb books, I would say Black Mask would be good, because at this point in the Bat-verse for Nolan, the mobsters are getting screwed left and right by super-villains. The Black Mask, being a former mobster himself plays nicely into their attempt to do something about it, but we saw how that worked out with The Joker.
Mad Hatter! Jervis Tetch > most Batman villians beside the core three. (Joker, Ivy, and Two-face) How can you not love a guy that is so obsessed with Lewis Carol he uses it as her persona? Let alone strictly uses mind control, and at time tried to give Batman the life he never had, albeit a coma induced dream world, instead of just trying to kill him?
So far they've only really touched on the more human villains, Joker and Scarecrow.
Both with their psychological means to their villainy.
I think it's about time they brought it back into the realm of the comic universe and acknowledged that in a world where Superman exists in another city they may as well have a super-human villain..
So my vote(s) are for Clayface, Bane and Killer Croc.
Both with their psychological means to their villainy.
I think it's about time they brought it back into the realm of the comic universe and acknowledged that in a world where Superman exists in another city they may as well have a super-human villain..
So my vote(s) are for Clayface, Bane and Killer Croc.
I agree with you there. Sure, there are still some folks I think would not work under any circumstances in the realistic scenarios (Killer Croc comes to mind), but Penguin and Bane are both good and valid options... I remember reading the No Man's Land comics - that's the kind of Penguin I want in a Nolan movie.Quantum Roberts said:
OT, the villain I would like to see the most (and whom I think is the most likely to appear, too) is the Riddler.
Mr Zsasz was in Batman Begins as a minor psychotic thug.Altorin said:
And yes, I agree, Nolan kind of went back on his own rule with Two-Face - no way in hell a normal human being could be walking around like that and still function.
Doesn't really matter as long as we get Dick Grayson.
I guess it'd be cool to see Lady Shiva. I want more of the martial arts side of the Batman universe. The stuff that was in Batman Begins, but not so much in Dark Knight. What I liked so much about the first movie is you could squint your eyes for the first half and pretend you were watching Ninja Scroll or something. It was a good movie without leaning on the crutch of Batman's massive reputation.
I guess it'd be cool to see Lady Shiva. I want more of the martial arts side of the Batman universe. The stuff that was in Batman Begins, but not so much in Dark Knight. What I liked so much about the first movie is you could squint your eyes for the first half and pretend you were watching Ninja Scroll or something. It was a good movie without leaning on the crutch of Batman's massive reputation.
Harley Quinn (the original style one, not the AA version). Would tie in well with the aftermath of The Dark Knight.
I would say Zsasz was only in Batman Begins as an Easter Egg. A nugget for ardent fans of recent batman to sink their knowledgeable little teeth into. He could be given higher billing then that. He did make an appearance but mostly as a cameo, and was only mentioned by name once.Sonicron said:
The guy has some interesting characterizations... even if it's just being psychopathic. His patient tapes in Batman Arkham Asylum were actually my favorite tapes..
And for Two-Face, we can assume, that in the batman world, things work a little differently.. fourth degree burn sufferers can in fact function normally.. but by that token, are there any other bat villains that are more "supernatural" then that? I mean, Mr Freeze became that way due to an accident and penguin has birth defects.. they can both fit in a world where the severely burned walk among the healthy as physical equals.
Poison Ivy's poisonous kiss isn't supernatural at all - in fact, there are many toxins which the human body can become resistant or even immune to, and after that's accomplished, one could inject a little death into a kiss quite easily..
About the largest stretch I can think of would be Killer Croc, and even he STARTED by having an actual birth defect.. a real defect, that a friend of mine had, where his skin grows scales.. in the beginning he was a gangster, cloaked in shadows.. then it was revealed that he had scales.. he wasn't the giant monster he has since become. We could go back to that.
There is no Doctor Strange or Ghost Rider in Batman. No "clearly supernatural" monster or character.
The dark knight was too good and there'll be way too much hype, so 'The Darker knight (or whatever)' will most likely be a dissapointment to many fans no matter how hard Nolan trys.
So i say he may as well get arnie to re-don his ice-suit and pun hat and just let him go nuts.
If you're gonna fail to live up to expectations you may as well do it in the 'coolest' way possible...
So i say he may as well get arnie to re-don his ice-suit and pun hat and just let him go nuts.
If you're gonna fail to live up to expectations you may as well do it in the 'coolest' way possible...
I'd have to go with the Riddler, because I see so much potential for that character in the Nolan-style Batman movies.
All possible, I know. The one big problem is ultimately the line Nolan personally draws between natural and supernatural; we as comic buffs know that none of them are really supernatural in the orginal sense of the word, but to Nolan the concepts of a guy covered in scales from head to toe, a lightning-wielding lunatic who fancies himself a greek god or a woman who can manipulate vegetation by merely thinking about it would probably all very much qualify as supernatural. In the end it's all out of our hands anyway, and as much as I'd love to see a grim, emotionally cold Mr Freeze tearing up Gotham in the next movie, I'll take the Riddler or Hush any day, thank you.Altorin said: