Poll: No-kids-allowed movement. Yay or nay?

[Nikolaz72]

im having a meal and i hate it when someone's kid is crying the whole time and the parents just sit there
I hate it kids talk all the way through movies
I HATE IT when kids are taken to a place like a cafe and the kids is doing whatever it wants touching other people's food and such and alll the parent says to him 'No that is bad' [in a calmly voice]

so yes im FOR this ban

I hate it when adults and teenagers talk all the way through movies.

I HATE IT when teenagers come to a cafe and do whatever they want, talk loudly and disturb other people by pertty much poking them while their doing homework and all their friends say is "Lol you shouldnt do that" In a laughing manner.

 

[faranar]

A blanket ban on anything is usually a bad idea.

Far better to allow, even force, owners to immediately remove disruptive children from the restaurant/whatever.

That way the silent majority doesn't have to suffer for a few idiots. I notice that concepts like 'ban games, they cause violence' aren't well received here. Well how about 'ban kids, they're all annoying'? That has popular support according to the poll; popular support for a blanket solution that affects the reasonable majority just as badly as the handful of problem cases.

Perhaps it doesn't matter; they're only children? Well before you impose some kind of supposedly objective inferiority on children, try turning the situation back on yourself. Gamers don't matter as they don't interact with reality anyway.

Do we only oppose game bans because we're gamers, or do we actually have a non-hypocritical support for the concepts behind opposing such bans? The decent majority should not be punished alongside the actual problems simply because it provides an easy solution where nobody actually has to think about or deal with anything other than 'is x older than y years?'

We oppose game bans because they restrict freedom of speech and expression. Also there's no definitive proof that games cause violence.
Look to my previous posts for the reason I support child bans.

Far better to allow, even force, owners to immediately remove disruptive children from the restaurant/whatever.

And in this case if I have a child and it starts misbehaving, do I pay for the food I haven't finished and how will the make me do so?
Will they return my money if they kick me out of the theater?

A blanket ban ensures that there are no exceptions and no sticky situations.

I think there should be implementations against annoying kids, rather than banning all kids from certain areas though, I'm sure hefty fines would allow the kid's own mother to realize that she SHOULDN'T FUCKING take her annoying kid somewhere that will disrupt people. Plus, it makes money! *raises eyebrows in delight

And who will collect those fines? The restaurant/ theater staff should never have such authority and there is no way that the police will provide an officer at every public place.

 

[Mr. Gency]

I do not agree with this rule.
From what I read, I don't think it effects me
I find it absurd
I hope it gains no moar.

It is the choice of the parent of how to raise the kid. Not the mall/store/airline.
Some people don't have the money to pay someone to watch a kid, and maybe rich people want to take their kid on a fancy vacation with them. We learn via experence, and that's all i'm saying.

From what I gather, malls/stores/airlines aren't saying "We want you to raise your kids like this." They're saying "Raise your kids however you want, just keep 'em the hell away from here."

 

[Not-here-anymore]

I... what? This is a joke, right?

People who want this kind of legislation are aware that they were kids once, I hope? And probably just as annoying as those they now can't stand. If they weren't irritating little brats, then they should now be aware that not all children are. Blanket policies like this are never a good idea
How is a child meant to learn how to function in public without the chance to appear in front of people?

In almost all of the cases described above, it seems the parent(s) are more to blame than the children due to a lack of discipline/attention. Why don't we start with the cause of the problem, rather than just trying to hide the annoying effects?

Furthermore, banning children from some places would cause the ones that still allow them to become screaming hellholes. You're not going to change how people raise their young like this, only where they take their money. This means you'll either end up with a lot of places that are incredibly unpleasant to work at/go to, or an eventual blanket ban against seeing children in any public property whatsoever. The latter would essentially make parents prisoners within their own houses, and would drastically cut the birth rate. Which would really screw things up 40-60 years down the line.

 

[BoTTeNBReKeR]

I'm for it.

And this entire argument about "but it's not good for families with children" or "think about the parents", I say FUCK THEM! Everyone under the age of 12 I've met in the past 5 years just seem completely and utterly idiotic arrogant spoiled kids. And it's all the parents fault because people seem to have forgotten parents need to show children who is the boss and punishment is part of that. But no! Now'a days, if children don't behave themselves, the parents just seem to ignore the child all together or say something like "please stop doing that".

 

[MikeOfThunder]

I'm 21 and don't have a child.

I disagree with this, however I will agree to the cinema thing. The Harry Potter Over 18s was a brilliant idea! Shame that I never actually asked for it and went to the kids one (which only had a few children in it and they were quiet) but it's a very good idea to have occasional over 18's screenings for popular U, PG or 12A films.

 

[TheNibiro]

As much as I want this movement to actually happen...
.. Kids wouldn't be able to become accustomed to their social environment if they don't make experiences like this possible.

Other than that, it would be so cool if I could fly back to Florida without having to deal with one or more kids crying loudly throughout the whole trip. Even worse is the fact that it's mother would just start screaming or slapping the poor child...

 

[Riobux]

I agree with the ban on certain places, but there also should be a parents licence. A parenting licence, granted only to those who know how to be a good parent, would fix a lot of things. So many things...

 

[faranar]

I... what? This is a joke, right?

People who want this kind of legislation are aware that they were kids once, I hope? And probably just as annoying as those they now can't stand.
How is a child meant to learn how to function in public without the chance to appear in front of people?

In almost all of the cases described above, it seems the parent(s) are more to blame than the children due to a lack of discipline/attention. Why don't we start with the cause of the problem, rather than just trying to hide the annoying effects?

Because as the cause of the problem are the dumb parents there is nothing we can do to solve it. You can't make anyone raise their kid the way you like. People have rights and to solve the problem those rights would have to go. Since that isn't going to happen all we can do is try to treat the symptoms. And we are not talking about locking kids in their homes. We just want to be able to enjoy ourselves without dealing with other people's problems.

 

[Beryl77]

No I don't agree. It's way too unfair, just because you don't like someone you can't just ban him for your own convenience. Children aren't the only annoying persons at movies, restaurants etc. I often encounter annoying adults in those places but I can't just ban them, so why exactly the children? You know, in most cases they don't really know that they annoy the other people, they are children, some adults should stop trying to treat them like grown up people because they simply aren't. They're still learning and a ban won't help, it's just makes your life more convenient.
Besides, it's too unspecific. It's way too easy to abuse it.

 

[Randomorific]

I... what? This is a joke, right?

People who want this kind of legislation are aware that they were kids once, I hope? And probably just as annoying as those they now can't stand. If they weren't irritating little brats, then they should now be aware that not all children are. Blanket policies like this are never a good idea
How is a child meant to learn how to function in public without the chance to appear in front of people?

In almost all of the cases described above, it seems the parent(s) are more to blame than the children due to a lack of discipline/attention. Why don't we start with the cause of the problem, rather than just trying to hide the annoying effects?

Damn you beat me to it

Don't get me wrong I'm annoyed by shouts and screams from children when I go out but its one of those things you just deal with. From personal experience I found that most families with young children eat earlier and leave as soon as there finished eating and have paid, the only exception to this is large family meals or parties in a restaurant in which case they make enough noise even without the kids.

Also by banning children from places you're basically punishing people for having a child by limiting where they can go.

Solutions to being annoyed by children: At a restaurant - Go later in the evening, if you can fork out a bit more for a slightly more expensive restaurant as parents don't usually go to them due to the lack of kids menus etc. If there is a child making excessive noise either politely ask the parents to calm there child down or make a complaint to staff who will often address the parents as well.

In a cinema: Again go later if you can, generally 8pm onwards there is a lack of children, particularly when watching films with a longer running time. Also if you have a day off during the week then go around midday, recently I went with friends to see Harry Potter and the summer holidays hadn't started and whilst there were lots of people there wasnt a child in sight, there were a few pensioners though.
The only tips if you are in the cinema and a child is loud is to just deal with it and try and enjoy the film.

 

[Risingblade]

Isn't it unconstitutional to discriminate based on age?

 

[Not-here-anymore]

I... what? This is a joke, right?

People who want this kind of legislation are aware that they were kids once, I hope? And probably just as annoying as those they now can't stand.
How is a child meant to learn how to function in public without the chance to appear in front of people?

In almost all of the cases described above, it seems the parent(s) are more to blame than the children due to a lack of discipline/attention. Why don't we start with the cause of the problem, rather than just trying to hide the annoying effects?

Because as the cause of the problem are the dumb parents there is nothing we can do to solve it. You can't make anyone raise their kid the way you like. People have rights and to solve the problem those rights would have to go. Since that isn't going to happen all we can do is try to treat the symptoms. And we are not talking about locking kids in their homes. We just want to be able to enjoy ourselves without dealing with other people's problems.

People do indeed have rights. Funnily enough, children are also people. I'm not saying parents should be told how to raise their children - in fact, I have no solution at all to noisy irritating kids. But introducing sweeping systems of rules that state that no youngsters are allowed because some of them are annoying? Not the right route. And a slippery slope, too. Sooner or later someone would decide that teenagers are too annoying to be seen in public, and if it was already accepted that people could be banned from places based on age alone...

Besides, you were a child once, right? You wouldn't have wanted to have been prevented from going to films, restaurants etc... just because the other kids were loud, would you?

Actually, here's a solution. Everyone advocating a 'no kids allowed' rule - go have children. Raise them to be quiet and polite in public. Then:
1) See how well that actually works
2) If it does, realise that your children are now a shining example to other parents. Problem solved.

EDIT: Furthermore, banning children from some places would cause the ones that still allow them to become screaming hellholes. You're not going to change how people raise their young like this, only where they take their money. This means you'll either end up with a lot of places that are incredibly unpleasant to work at/go to, or an eventual blanket ban against seeing children in any public property whatsoever. The latter would essentially make parents prisoners within their own houses, and would drastically cut the birth rate. Which would really screw things up 40-60 years down the line.

 

[hmillion]

God yes. Especially on airplanes.

I don't give a jolly shit if you paid full price to go to Malibu for the weekend, take a fucking train or boat there and stop making me more jet-lagged and bad-tempered than I normally am when I airtravel.

How do you get a train to Malibu from Europe? And a boat, that would take almost all the school holiday, not to mention being also very hard to do AND alot more expensive than flying.

 

[KaosuHamoni]

Personally, I'm for a different sort of legislation. If someone brings a loud kid in, boot 'em. So long as the kid behaves, they're welcome in my book... but too many people don't raise their kids anymore, they just give their kids whatever they want in early development, teaching the kid that tantrums get them their desired results.
I say boot failed parents and their squalling brats to the curb, let 'em take their noise pollution on home... but banning all kids isn't the answer.

Pretty much this. You shouldn't punish everyone just because a select group are ruining it for the majority.

 

[Jamie Hawkins]

Okay, I'm 16 years old and fully support this, as long as the ban doesn't include me!
Little kids are annoying brats who don't either give a shit or know why they're annoying.

Although I can see how this could make it difficult for some parents to be able to gout & enjoy themselves without having to worry that the place they're going hasn't got a kid-free-zone ban in place......

Also, I agree with the comment a few posts back saying just ick the noisy brats to the curb.

 

[SemiHumanTarget]

It makes sense to ban kids from some kinds of establishments. Restaurants catering to adults, bars (of course), movie theaters, etc. because annoyances affect the quality of the product customers are paying for in those places. If you get a refund for your food taking too long, or the ambiance of one of these places otherwise being less-than-expected, why not get a discount for noisy kids in the area? And, by that logic, owners may as well just ban children altogether.

I have thought long and hard about whether I would ban kids on airplanes, and as much as kids annoy me (I make 13 hour flights over the pacific a few times a year), I gotta say it would be logistically difficult and a little inhumane to ban children from planes. That said, I think if an airline really wanted to be accommodating, they could figure out some kind of solution to minimize annoyances from kids. I'd say that's far-fetched, though, considering how much the airlines already screw us.

 

[faranar]

I... what? This is a joke, right?

People who want this kind of legislation are aware that they were kids once, I hope? And probably just as annoying as those they now can't stand.
How is a child meant to learn how to function in public without the chance to appear in front of people?

In almost all of the cases described above, it seems the parent(s) are more to blame than the children due to a lack of discipline/attention. Why don't we start with the cause of the problem, rather than just trying to hide the annoying effects?

Because as the cause of the problem are the dumb parents there is nothing we can do to solve it. You can't make anyone raise their kid the way you like. People have rights and to solve the problem those rights would have to go. Since that isn't going to happen all we can do is try to treat the symptoms. And we are not talking about locking kids in their homes. We just want to be able to enjoy ourselves without dealing with other people's problems.

People do indeed have rights. Funnily enough, children are also people. I'm not saying parents should be told how to raise their children - in fact, I have no solution at all to noisy irritating kids. But introducing sweeping systems of rules that state that no youngsters are allowed because some of them are annoying? Not the right route. And a slippery slope, too. Sooner or later someone would decide that teenagers are too annoying to be seen in public, and if it was already accepted that people could be banned from places based on age alone...

Besides, you were a child once, right? You wouldn't have wanted to have been prevented from going to films, restaurants etc... just because the other kids were loud, would you?

Actually, here's a solution. Everyone advocating a 'no kids allowed' rule - go have children. Raise them to be quiet and polite in public. Then:
1) See how well that actually works
2) If it does, realise that your children are now a shining example to other parents. Problem solved.

Yes I was a child, and my parents didn't take me to the movies or to restaurants until I was 8. I spent my early childhood playing and riding my bike with friends, and every night I ate homemade meals.

You are reading too much into this. We are not talking about an all out ban on children in public places. I just want to be able to see a movie or go on a date without crying children spoiling the experience. The solution is kid-free restaurants, kid-free movie screenings and kid-free flights.

The difference between a 15 year old and a 5 year old is that the kid doesn't even realize it's annoying. You can tell a teenager to stop making noise and they at least will know what you want them to do.

I have thought long and hard about whether I would ban kids on airplanes, and as much as kids annoy me (I make 13 hour flights over the pacific a few times a year), I gotta say it would be logistically difficult and a little inhumane to ban children from planes. That said, I think if an airline really wanted to be accommodating, they could figure out some kind of solution to minimize annoyances from kids. I'd say that's far-fetched, though, considering how much the airlines already screw us.

A solution would be to have kid-free flights. Not a complete ban, just on some flights. That way all the parents with children will fly on one plane and the rest of us will be able to enjoy our flight.