We should use nuclear untill we perfect renewable energy sources. Onece we can get the amount of powwr we need from renewable, nuclear should be phased out.
Your not one of those Children of the Atom people from Megaton are you? I heard those guys are kinda strange.Combined said:Truly, Nuclear Power is God's gift to man. Cheap, reliable, safe and environmentally friendly. All praise be to the atoms, for they have shown us the way.
Last time I checked, ITER still didn't exist... and it still doesn't. Site prep is done, construction of the research buildings has started, and it's promising as a research program, but it's not a practical power plant and it will never be one itself because it's not intended to be one.Captain_Caveman said:last time i checked the http://www.iter.org didnt exist in the 60sAnton P. Nym said:They said that in 1960. And in 1975. And in 1990. And in 2005... Fusion is always 15 years away, until it's finally here.Captain_Caveman said:building Fission plants is a waste of money.
Fusion will be ready in 10 - 15 years.
Since no fusion reactor has yet been able to sustain "break-even" power for more than an instant, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're not going to have fusion power in 2020... so unless we want to start giving up on having industrial economies we're going to have to build something in the next thirty-odd years to replace plants closing from old age. I say that fission's a better bet than the other alternatives so far.
-- Steve
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369610On the coast of Normandy overlooking the English Channel, sits the nuclear power plant at Flamanville. Its two reactors generate enough electricity for the entire regions of Normandy and Brittany. France has 58 nuclear plants like this which meet 80 percent of its total electricity needs -- and allow it to export power to Britain, Germany and Italy.
the problem with that is the people, 1 worker with lose morals and/or severe money problems, or 1 clever agent from another government and you'll have those problems anywaysGlefistus said:It can work in established nuclear powers who are responsible(i.e. not Pakistan or India, arguably not Russia), but everyone else might make a warhead, or lose enriched uranium to terrorists.
what experiments? the LHC broke down in 9 daysyaik7a said:Not really , as the expertments at the LHC have shown a possibal way to fusion protonsEchetusXe said:Those waiting for fusion power might want to put the kettle on now because they have will be having a fucking long wait.
Solar's problem is its inability to process a large spectrum of light. it only reacts in the infrared spectrum, so it is unable to process the 2 mm of light's total spectrum we can see, loosing a masive amount of power. if we could perfect the other chemicals that cover the spectrum of visible light, solar would be far more effective at powering the world. if we could say, make a chemical that can effectively harness power from gama-rays, the concrete foundation of your house would be able to power your houseCrysisMcGee said:I am pleased you know what happened at chernobyl. It was entirely human error. Which by itself even woulndn't have caused the explosion if they hadn't turned off the safety features.
In all honesty, it is a safer and less polluting source of energy than Coal.
Geothermal and Solar power are our 2 best options at the moment. But Solar requires too much space, and geothermal is not fully explored yet.
The energy content of a kilogram of uranium or thorium, if spent nuclear fuel is reprocessed and fully utilized, is equivalent to about 3.5 million kilograms of coal. This figure is from Wikipedia.
Anyway, our ultimate energy is whatever generates electricity at the best rate. And Finding a way to safely deposit the waste. Coal deposits it into the air, nuclear is sealed and remains inside its container wherever it is stored.
Really, give me a real reason though. You must have some reason.Booze Zombie said:I think any waste being given off is bad, really, so quantifying it is rather meaningless to me.JWAN said:How much waste do you think they give off?
Besides that, I don't really like nuclear power because... well, watch The Simpsons.
Having some nine to five-guy running nuclear equipment doesn't appeal to my survival instinct.
yea, get 1/1000'th the power at 165 times the costTobiObi said:i think we should use hydrogen fuel cells
it's prefectly safe
the only waste is pure water
and there are no moving parts so they need almost no maintenance
plus u can turn the water back into hydrogen and oxygen with just pond scum and sunlight
and of course still use solar and wind energy
yea but after 20 you can literally be right next to them and as long as you don't drink it your fine.Abedeus said:Relatively safe.
Very effective and small chance of backfire (Chernobyl was a human's error). But those toxic wastes... Ugh. A half-life of hundreds of years?
Besides it would be an excellent way to cut down on antiquated warheads that tend to disappear at an alarming rate, just disassemble them, take them to a power plant and power a city.Kilaknux said:New one on me. I often suspected as much, but never really bothered to verify it. Cheers, shall add it to my arguments for the glowy power. Cheers!JWAN said:In the US we have a solid granite mountain in the middle of nowhere we put it under. so storage is really a non issue.
Did you also know that the waste can be recycled to a point where you could use it for 1-2 more years?
Of course ITER exists. ITER is the project. The project exists and has since forming in 2006. No project even near it's scale has existed in the past, especially not in the 60s.Anton P. Nym said:Last time I checked, ITER still didn't exist... and it still doesn't. Site prep is done, construction of the research buildings has started, and it's promising as a research program, but it's not a practical power plant and it will never be one itself because it's not intended to be one.Captain_Caveman said:last time i checked the http://www.iter.org didnt exist in the 60sAnton P. Nym said:They said that in 1960. And in 1975. And in 1990. And in 2005... Fusion is always 15 years away, until it's finally here.Captain_Caveman said:building Fission plants is a waste of money.
Fusion will be ready in 10 - 15 years.
Since no fusion reactor has yet been able to sustain "break-even" power for more than an instant, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're not going to have fusion power in 2020... so unless we want to start giving up on having industrial economies we're going to have to build something in the next thirty-odd years to replace plants closing from old age. I say that fission's a better bet than the other alternatives so far.
-- Steve
Hopefully, though, ITER's construction will teach us the lessons necessary to build a practical tokamak reactor... but that step is more than that "15 years away" figure, I think.
-- Steve
what does that have to do with anything?!?Glefistus said:What are you talking about, almost every nuclear power is a capitalist democracy/TobiObi said:the problem with that is the people, 1 worker with lose morals and/or severe money problems, or 1 clever agent from another government and you'll have those problems anywaysGlefistus said:It can work in established nuclear powers who are responsible(i.e. not Pakistan or India, arguably not Russia), but everyone else might make a warhead, or lose enriched uranium to terrorists.
no system is perfect, every system has faults that can be exploited
That is complete and utter BS. If it were true then how does France get 80% of it's power from nuclear? Huh? Answer me that. If it were true then France's power department of their government would be well into bankruptcy as they have been using nuclear power for over 40 years now.JWAN said:yea, get 1/1000'th the power at 165 times the costTobiObi said:i think we should use hydrogen fuel cells
it's prefectly safe
the only waste is pure water
and there are no moving parts so they need almost no maintenance
plus u can turn the water back into hydrogen and oxygen with just pond scum and sunlight
and of course still use solar and wind energy
axia777 said:France has been running nuclear power for over 40 years now. Almost all their power in fact comes from nuclear power plants. They have never had an accident nor do they dispose of their nuclear waste in a no-environmentally friendly way. This disproves all the anti-nuclear power bullshit that environmentalist hippes ***** about. Their arguments are all retarded. America should have been perfecting nuclear power for the last 40 years like France has been doing. Maybe they can give us some tips!
Here is a good quote from an article on NPR's website.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369610On the coast of Normandy overlooking the English Channel, sits the nuclear power plant at Flamanville. Its two reactors generate enough electricity for the entire regions of Normandy and Brittany. France has 58 nuclear plants like this which meet 80 percent of its total electricity needs -- and allow it to export power to Britain, Germany and Italy.