Poll: Opinions on Cannabis?
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Had a few puffs once. Was meh.
Physiologically, it does a lot less damage than alcohol.
Societal damage is only occuring because it's underground. Seriously, get 10,000 people drunk and you've got a riot. Get 10,000 people stoned and you've got... Woodstock.
There are thousands of people dying each year by overdosing on prescription medications and only one death directly to cannabis has been recorded.
If you look at the way that hemp fibre could potentially replace traditional oil-based products, and the strength of the Energy lobby alone in the US you can see why it's actually illegal and not just this blind 'drugs are bad' FOX drivel that seems to somehow permeate the skulls of so many Americans.
Yes, there are negative effects, but the magnitude is negligible compared to things that are already legal. It's the 'nanny state' mentality holding that 'people may only damage their bodies the way we tell them to.'
Physiologically, it does a lot less damage than alcohol.
Societal damage is only occuring because it's underground. Seriously, get 10,000 people drunk and you've got a riot. Get 10,000 people stoned and you've got... Woodstock.
There are thousands of people dying each year by overdosing on prescription medications and only one death directly to cannabis has been recorded.
If you look at the way that hemp fibre could potentially replace traditional oil-based products, and the strength of the Energy lobby alone in the US you can see why it's actually illegal and not just this blind 'drugs are bad' FOX drivel that seems to somehow permeate the skulls of so many Americans.
Yes, there are negative effects, but the magnitude is negligible compared to things that are already legal. It's the 'nanny state' mentality holding that 'people may only damage their bodies the way we tell them to.'
You can't give blood if you've used cannabis? Where do you live?Greyfox105 said:
Here in NZ, injecting or snorting drugs stops you from being able to give blood. Not cannabis though, as far as i'm aware.
And how would society end up paying for it? As in, what would be the negative consequences for legalizing marijuana?SadisticPretzel said:
I'm okay with my university friends lighting one up around me, I just move to avoid the fumes. They've already heard the arguments a thousand times and I'm not about to lecture them. Occasionally they'll offer me some and I'll reply like I've always replied. "Never. Not for me."
I've been drinking for social occasions and I think that is enough. I'm still Sober 6/7 days a week.
If I can't avoid the fumes in a room, I'll just duck outside and get some fresh air.
I've been drinking for social occasions and I think that is enough. I'm still Sober 6/7 days a week.
If I can't avoid the fumes in a room, I'll just duck outside and get some fresh air.
never used it before and don't plan on it
but I don't look down on people who use it probably cause most of my friends use it
but I don't look down on people who use it probably cause most of my friends use it
Good thing you got your suit on.SadisticPretzel said:
You do know alcohol is a drug, too? And tobacco? And caffeine. All of which are more addictive than marijuana. http://www.myaddiction.com/education/articles/caffeine_addiction.html is rather informative, at least as far as caffeine goes.
And marijuana isn't even that harmful. Really the only negative effects are on your lungs, and using a vaporiser or baking it into food eliminates that. As for the mental effects, when was the last time somebody smoked weed and then killed their wife? Or crashed their car? When was the last time someone did the same things under the influence of alcohol? The double standard here is ridiculous. If you want marijuana illegal, you should be lobbying for prohibition of alcohol as well.
I really thought your title said "Cannibals"....
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OT: I really don't care about marijuana usage. I don't do it, I don't want to, but I think people should be able to chose for themselves.
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OT: I really don't care about marijuana usage. I don't do it, I don't want to, but I think people should be able to chose for themselves.
Used to smoke loads when I was a kid but these days my tolerance is so low that even a tiny bit makes me feel lethargic and clouds my head in an unpleasant way and I don't particularly fancy smoking to get my tolerance back up to a point where I can smoke and still operate relatively normally.
Not necessarily true. If I play a multiplayer game, I'm interacting with other people and at least creating mutual experiences and memories between myself and another human being (and that's without the fun you get from looking at the interaction as a whole under the magnifying glass. Human nature kicks ass.). Same could be said of forums, and the nature of the very discussion we are having.Skeleton Jelly said:
Now, I'm not going to claim that these habits aren't our own habits of escapism (Hell, the forum/website is entitled as such.), and I'm not going to say that absolutely every single act that I indulge in must require meaning. I'd be idle my whole life like some sort of hyper-pensive chess player. But what I *am* saying, is that I examined what marijuana had to offer me, and I didn't like it. I didn't say it was inherently good, or evil, or anything else in between. Whenever I smoked, I got really high, giggled to myself for a few hours, came up with some absolutely shit-house crazy or stupid ideas/theories that I either wouldn't remember, or made absolutely no sense when I came down. Then I'd curl up in a ball and pass out. And this would be in a room *full* of people.
My reason for doing it in the first place was two-fold. Firstly, I wanted to get high and alter my perspective on the universe to see what I could glean in any semblance of understanding by doing so. And secondly, I wanted to get stupid with friends and have a good time in a social context with the company of people I enjoyed. I accomplished neither of these things. Ergo, marijuana is a waste of time in my eyes.
As for the Philosopher comment... I am. Are we not all seeking some greater understanding over the grand machinations of life? I don't impose my searches or thoughts on others, because they won't make sense in the same light that they do to me. Perception is reality, and my world is going to be different from yours, and that's fine. I pass no judgment on you, only on your hobby, and I'm sorry if you were offended by the comment. But if I seek not to pass judgment on you, I'd kindly ask you to do the same.
Much love, of course. <3
I treat it like alcohol, good for a laugh with mates. Great to relax in with, or to go watch a movie with. But I use it less than once a week, but probably more often than alcohol as it's cheaper on a per-night kinda deal, and I buy it in decent quantities.
Currently it's illegal in the UK, but if it were legalised I wouldnt treat it differently, but it'd be easier to get a hold of, which would be great. The way I see it to get wasted one night off cannabis takes maybe £5-10 depending how you smoke it, the quality of the source, and how you prepare it. For the same effect from alcohol you're looking closer to £20 unless you drink really nasty cheap stuff. And unlike alcohol the subtle effects are actually the main reason I use it; you can push it really far - which is interesting too - but you don't need to.
For bang-per-buck cannabis just makes sense, and you don't get hangovers, you sleep like a baby, have a great time while your up, and there's no "comedown" as such; you just sober up slowly.
The only downside is if you don't like to inhale smoke, or if you're the type to take everything really seriously, you'll just get pissed off or freak out while high. It's a different world to alcohol, but if entered with optimism, curiosity, and good humour it's all peachy.
Personally I'd recommend baking into cakes to anyone who has not tried this method. Much Slower release, much stronger, plus it's damn tasty.
As with anything fun and unproductive it's tempting to overdo it. I failed uni last year due in part to smoking when I should have been working, same as any other escapism really. But now I'm "sober" and having different problems to deal with so nothing's ever perfect XD.
TLDR; I think it's good, but don't overdo it. Like everything good in life, a little moderation and an open mind helps.
Currently it's illegal in the UK, but if it were legalised I wouldnt treat it differently, but it'd be easier to get a hold of, which would be great. The way I see it to get wasted one night off cannabis takes maybe £5-10 depending how you smoke it, the quality of the source, and how you prepare it. For the same effect from alcohol you're looking closer to £20 unless you drink really nasty cheap stuff. And unlike alcohol the subtle effects are actually the main reason I use it; you can push it really far - which is interesting too - but you don't need to.
For bang-per-buck cannabis just makes sense, and you don't get hangovers, you sleep like a baby, have a great time while your up, and there's no "comedown" as such; you just sober up slowly.
The only downside is if you don't like to inhale smoke, or if you're the type to take everything really seriously, you'll just get pissed off or freak out while high. It's a different world to alcohol, but if entered with optimism, curiosity, and good humour it's all peachy.
Personally I'd recommend baking into cakes to anyone who has not tried this method. Much Slower release, much stronger, plus it's damn tasty.
As with anything fun and unproductive it's tempting to overdo it. I failed uni last year due in part to smoking when I should have been working, same as any other escapism really. But now I'm "sober" and having different problems to deal with so nothing's ever perfect XD.
TLDR; I think it's good, but don't overdo it. Like everything good in life, a little moderation and an open mind helps.
I've done it several times.
Its fairly enjoyable and I think everyone should try it once (I can see literally no argument against trying it and I think its an important experience to have, especially if you are going to get involved with discussions like this).
I would probably do it more often, but I doubt that I'd make a habbit of it. The fact that it is illegal and my parents don't approve makes it more hassle than its worth.
If I was given the choice over whether to make alchohol or cannabis illegal, I would choose alchohol easily. I would happily not drink if it weren't for social pressures (I describe myself as a social drinker, I'll have a pint or two when I go to the pub, but I rarely get drunk). I would rather everyone was tea-total stoners than have all the stupidity, violence and health problems that alchohol brings with it.
Its fairly enjoyable and I think everyone should try it once (I can see literally no argument against trying it and I think its an important experience to have, especially if you are going to get involved with discussions like this).
I would probably do it more often, but I doubt that I'd make a habbit of it. The fact that it is illegal and my parents don't approve makes it more hassle than its worth.
If I was given the choice over whether to make alchohol or cannabis illegal, I would choose alchohol easily. I would happily not drink if it weren't for social pressures (I describe myself as a social drinker, I'll have a pint or two when I go to the pub, but I rarely get drunk). I would rather everyone was tea-total stoners than have all the stupidity, violence and health problems that alchohol brings with it.
Hey. Whoa. The bear does. Don't put me in this boat. He's got a problem. I hear he makes bank on the east coast, though. I keep telling him to chill out, or someone's curb stomp him, but he's too coke-crazy to realize.fuckwit said:
It's really quite sad. Lord Tuddlywuggles used to be such a cuddly and fun-loving bear. Now? I dunno, man. :\
legalise, regulate, educate.
fixes a lot more problems than keeping it illegal for political reasons by exagerateing the problems that support it and ignoring the ones it causes. science, evidence and historical precedent seem to be on my side but maybe im just biased.
when my governement tells a scientific council set up to advise on drugs that they got the results wrong and that pharamcology scientists (who have extensive combined knowledge and experience with the subject) have no place telling politicians (who have public and media opinion) that their policy on drugs is incorrect and harmful then sack a bunch of them for refusing to get in line, sit down and shut up something seems very very wrong though.
fixes a lot more problems than keeping it illegal for political reasons by exagerateing the problems that support it and ignoring the ones it causes. science, evidence and historical precedent seem to be on my side but maybe im just biased.
when my governement tells a scientific council set up to advise on drugs that they got the results wrong and that pharamcology scientists (who have extensive combined knowledge and experience with the subject) have no place telling politicians (who have public and media opinion) that their policy on drugs is incorrect and harmful then sack a bunch of them for refusing to get in line, sit down and shut up something seems very very wrong though.
Hardcore_gamer said:
I'm definitely not saying it's safe to drive while high, but I can assure you, that guy was definitely not on marijuana. And if he was, he was also on other drugs.
The individual's mindset, situation and experience with the drug play a huge role. The person in this video was a regular user, he's used to being high, he was calm and collected, he didn't have 4 other people in the back of his car distracting him, ect. I can agree with you that even with drugs that don't make you aggressive, but just naive or clumsy can be a danger to the user and others. But the nice thing about those kinds of drugs is that responsible, informed use where the users treat the drug with respect and awareness, those effects can be greatly minimized.
Really, one of the major reasons I haven't tried marijuana is that you can't just "try" marijuana. Even just a mild, innocent experience with the drug will be stigmatized. I don't want to deal with people calling me a "pothead," or my parents getting angry at me, or facing the various absurd legal ramifications for it. I don't want to deal with some asshole drug dealer, or the many assholes you can often find in a drug-using environment. It's not really the drug, it's all of the crap that surrounds it that turns me away from it.
I can stay up late eating tons of fatty, greasy foods, chugging carbonated, flavored chemical water filled with caffeine (which is actually physically addictive, unlike marijuana), and then become overweight to the point where I will most likely get either cancer, diabetes or heart disease later in my life just like the other 50% of the population, and I'm a fine, normal person.
But that very moment I smoke marijuana, I'm a drug user. The stigma surrounding marijuana is more dangerous then the drug itself, while our over-acceptance of even more destructive, and threatening behavior has made cancer, diabetes and heart disease the leading causes of death. And several years down the rode, depression related suicides will join those leading causes, something that is also related to our culturally accepted lifestyle.
Chances are, you indulge in something that is just as harmful, if not more so then marijuana.Chrono212 said:
Instead of looking down on others, I think people should be looking at themselves.