JET1971 said:
JET1971 said:
Well desktop systems are on the way out but at the same time laptop systems are getting good enough to play high end games at a reasonable price. desktop systems are becoming more of an enthusiast platform rather than the good ole everyone has it.
As for updating a graphics card the only time anyone needs to worry about that is if a game doesn't render correctly or some other graphics errors. if it works then don't worry about it.
Thing is PC gaming will outlast consoles, why have a console when your cheap laptop can do the same and you are not stuck with it being hooked to a TV? plus you would have the laptop for school or work already. and then consoles are becoming less of a plug it in and play and becoming more of a PC with installing and patching issues. makes sense to just get a laptop and a controller for both convenience and finance.
Desktops are FAR FAR away from being on the way out considering you can make both a desktop and a laptop for $2000 and the desktop will always have the better performance and value at this day and age...
But to the OP, I am an avid PC gamer as well, but it is completely bonkers to believe that either PC OR consoles are going anywhere. the only reason the PC evolves so much is because of console generations, and vice verse. There will always be PC gaming in one form or another, and there will always be consoles.
You are correct in saying it takes more work to operate/build/maintain a PC, considering consoles have got to the stage of 'maintenance' meaning turning the thing off after you use it (no antivirus software, reinstalling OS, drivers, etc)
But to the point, neither PC nor consoles will die
Quite to the contrary desktop PC sales and models have been steadily dropping the past 10 years. On the flip side Laptop/notebook sales and models have been increasing. It is now the opposite of what it was 10 years ago when there was like twice as many sales and models for desktops compared to laptops. If you happened to actualy read the whole paragraph you would have noticed I said desktop systems will become an enthusiast or gamer system rather than what someone will buy because they want a computer. Its called a niche market, they still exist but most people wont want one. I know 5 people who still has a desktop and about 30 who have a laptop, thats the way it is going for personal computers. Even many bussineses are switching over to laptops.
Intel, ATI, and Nvidia are all working on getting a mobile GPU thats as good as a desktop GPU. maybe not the top of the line GPU's but as good as the lowest high end GPU. plenty to run any game at high resolutions unless another FarCry comes out where its years before anything can max the graphics. They are doing this because the mainstream market is moving towards laptops and away from desktops, and it may take several more years before they have the performance with the issues of heat and small form factor but it will eventualy happen.
PC's do not evolve because of consoles, consoles have absolutly nothing to do with the evolution of PC's. Gaming in general has something to do with increases in GPU but so does 3D modeling, animation, and art. You realize thata high end GPU for a CAD/3D animation workstation runs in the thousands of dollars?
http://www.techpowerup.com/127435/New_NVIDIA_Fermi-Class_Quadro_Launches_the_Era_of_Computational_Visualization.html
Thats where gaming video cards gets there technology from and an example of why PC's evolve. High end servers and workstations are where the innovation begins Not some outdated console. Simply put consoles evolve because of the PC and PC's evolve because of high end servers and workstations.
And I have no clue what you are talking about consoles have gotten to the stage of turning it off as far as maintanence goes? Are you saying an Atari 2600 required antivirus and updates? No quite the opposite consoles have evolved to requiring updates and some maintanence they probably have a built in firewall for all we know but sure as shit the next generation will probably have a firewall and will be guaranteed to need firmware updates and other maintanence because they will become even more like a PC. And thats already began with the change from PS2/Xbox to the PS3/360 generation.[/quote]
Yes, consoles are outdated now, but at the start of this console generation, look at what happened, AMD and nVidia were tripping over themselves to bring out GPUs that were able to out-perform the modern console. Graphic card development has slowed for a little while now because there has been no new console to compete with on the graphic front, and there has been little need to develop a new GPU for most purposes, because console is setting the restriction for graphics in games. So, in short i should have clarified that consoles are a force for evolution, but not the ONLY one.
as far as the maintenance point, I should have clarified again. there is no point comparing how games are managed on the two because now there is almost no difference, but on a console you don't have to maintain it in the same fashion as a PC, and there is no setup of the operating system on a console. there is however almost 0 advantage when it comes to games, as you pointed out quite validly.
Finally, on your point of desktops, I would definitely believe that laptop sales are increasing to the desktops detriment, but I wouldn't necessarily believe that to be the decline of the desktop. desktop packages may be decreasing in sales, but at the same time people are taking to building their own systems now, too. Laptops, myself being the owner of a gaming laptop, unfortunately, are far behind desktops in a price

erformance ratio. That is by no means saying laptops are bad, bit it does lean toward the one inherent problem with them, and that is the lack of standard parts. That is the only thing that makes them more expensive, because parts must be produced on a smaller volume than desktop components, and hence will be more expensive.
The point I was trying to make is that there is a place for both PC and console, and that I don't think either will be going anywhere. as far as desktops, in the future that will be completely likely, but right now, I would be highly surprised.