Poll: Personal Issue with Batman: Arkham City

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tstorm823

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So what OP is saying is that he is such a 100%er that he is offended that they would give him fun alternatives to play with depending on where he bought the game because it would cost more to get them all (for about 10 extra minutes of entertainment)
 

Angry Camel

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Who cares about the skins? Just decide which skins you like the best and pre-order from that place. It's not really an issue worth not getting a game over.

As for playing as Catwoman; yes, it's quite irritating how they've lead us on all this time thinking she'll just be part of the game. I do feel for those that have to buy preoder games because they can't afford to shell out $100 per game. However, for those that can by it now, it gives us a great incentive to buy it new, which is what businesses should be doing. If they had announced Catwoman as a code-locked character as late as they could have afforded it, people would have been flocking to buy it.
 

xvbones

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WindScar said:
Hello fellow Escapees.
Recently, I have seen what is going on with Arkham City, and I have decided not to buy it.

I was a huge fan of the original game, it was great and I felt real joy when City was announced, but now I see that they are doing just about everything to the game that I hate.

They demand pre-ordering from diffrent places for the diffrent skins. I.E you would have to pre-order it from 6 diffrent places to get all the costumes

And as if that wasn't bad enough for me, they also said that if you bought it used, you would have to pay to unlock Catwoman as a playable character.

I don't know about you guys, but this business model speaks only "CASH NOW, DO EVERYTHING TO GET IT" to me, and I despise it. I will be buying it used, just because it's my own personal "FUCK YOU!" to the business model.

Thoughts?
The cost of producing video games is swiftly approaching that of major motion pictures.

Publishing houses see exactly zero of the money from used game sales.
Used is great for the gamer and really really shitty for the company.

This is how they have chosen to encourage you to buy new.
And you know, it was the correct choice.

Catwoman is strong encouragement to buy new, and is also not game-breaking to lose her if you buy used.

This was a good idea and will hopefully become a new industry standard: incentives to buy new, instead of just to pre-order.

As for the skins, you don't seriously give that much of a fuck about cosmetics, do you?

You are overreacting.
 

Googenstien

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You dont need anything they are giving away for you spending $5 early to pre-order it. also online pass is a way to fight game resales.. wont ever effect me since I hold on to my games.
 

Triangulon

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No, they're doing it right. They're trying to combat second hand games with additional rewards. It isn't going to hamper your enjoyment of the game because you can't play as catwoman or TAS batman. They aren't removing major content like multiplayer or missions. They're giving an aesthetic bonus to the people that buy the game firsthand.

This is the kind of marketing strategy I'm fine with.
When I first saw the story I was really annoyed, but actually now I agree. I'd rather they rewarded new purchasers rather than punished everyone in order to combat the pre-owned market. For the record, I do but a large proportion of my games pre-owned.
 

valleyshrew

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This sense of entitlement really pisses me off. You realise the cost of making games has grown exponentially since the early 90s when games were sometimes $80 each? And that many games, even ones that sell millions of copies, lose money? Deus Ex HR is one of the most ambitious games in years, has a huge budget and has not made it's money back. Theres a whole bunch of examples in the past year such as rage and resistance 3 which will lose money.

It's either accept the optional extras that get them a little extra money, or accept massively dumbed down games. You do not deserve the "full" experience just because you bought the disc. They have a right to put whatever they want into the default experience and whatever they want into extras. If GTAIV cut half of it's content for extras, it would still have 10 times as much content as other games you no doubt have no problem with paying for. Luckily they're only doing very small things like superficial skins, and you should be praising them for it not protesting. Used games make them no money, they have a right to lock you out completely as PC games do, but they don't. They allow you to basically pirate the game whilst paying a fee to a company like gamespot that adds nothing creatively, and yet you still protest. It's people like you that pump hundreds of millions into a flash game rip off that cost next to nothing to make and complain at having to pay a mere $60 for a game that took 3 years and cost $50m.

I rent 90% of the games I play, and I feel no entitlement to this extra content since I'm not giving any money to the creators. It shouldn't be available for me to do this, I'm paying less than 10% what it costs to buy these games, and I feel guilty about it. But I save the small amount of money I do pay for retail games towards studios who are ambitious and innovating.
 

Zach of Fables

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I think I'm one of the few people here who actually did want the other skins (DKR, Neal Adams era, Animated Series) and I did find it annoying that you needed to pay either for the premium edition or get multiple copies of the game including from obscure websites. I am confident that you can just DLC them later though. If not, the griping will commence in earnest.
 

Togs

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Catwoman stuff is stupid, no arguement there.

The skins? there just cosmetic changes, nice but you wont miss anything if you dont have one, I dont see the big deal.
 

MercurySteam

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WindScar said:
They demand pre-ordering from diffrent places for the diffrent skins. I.E you would have to pre-order it from 6 diffrent places to get all the costumes
You're going to have to accept one of these days that you can't get all preorder bonuses from one store. It's the publisher rewarding everyone who buys the game new, no matter where they buy from.

WindScar said:
And as if that wasn't bad enough for me, they also said that if you bought it used, you would have to pay to unlock Catwoman as a playable character.
No. Wrong. Catwoman is a bonus downloadable pack not included on the disc (about 250MB). Instead of punishing used buyers, the publisher is rewarding people who buy the game new. Now, if you claim to love the series then why don't you feel that Rocksteady deserves their share of the profit from a new game sale? (namely, yours)

WindScar said:
I don't know about you guys, but this business model speaks only "CASH NOW, DO EVERYTHING TO GET IT" to me, and I despise it. I will be buying it used, just because it's my own personal "FUCK YOU!" to the business model.
So that's the point of this thread? To spite Warner Bros and Rocksteady for trying to make a profit?

That's kinda lame and a bit childish bro.
 

GeorgW

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I loathe that kind of business model as well, but it's not enough to stop me from getting it. It's just skins, it's not like they matter...
I'll even be getting the CE since I absolutely loved the first one and think Rocksteady (and WB >.<) deserve my money.
 

WindScar

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Dave29 said:
It's a stupid reason not to buy it.

As a piracy-practicing video-gamer from South America that HAS BEEN PLAYING Arkham City for the past 5 days, I see Catwoman and the skins as nice little extras that I'll never get, but the gamers who do it right will be getting.

It's a nice little incentive for buying the game new, and having faith in it by pre-ordering.

And guess what? The game is fucking amazing, that's the only thing you should consider when buying a game.

Is it a robust experience that will last me for weeks? Yes.
If I lived in the US and payed 60$ for it, would I feel that I got my money's worth? Yes.
You totally just admitted to piracy, that's not allowed according to the forum rules.
 

WindScar

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MercurySteam said:
WindScar said:
And as if that wasn't bad enough for me, they also said that if you bought it used, you would have to pay to unlock Catwoman as a playable character.
No. Wrong. Catwoman is a bonus downloadable pack not included on the disc (about 250MB). Instead of punishing used buyers, the publisher is rewarding people who buy the game new. Now, if you claim to love the series then why don't you feel that Rocksteady deserves their share of the profit from a new game sale? (namely, yours)
That's not wrong, you just said I was wrong, even though you said exactly what I did. Kinda childish, bro.
 

Sethzard

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Pre-owned gets them no money so I don't really have a problem with them getting stuff from people who want everything in the game but not to pay the full price.
 

Romblen

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They did that with the first game, my copy of arkam asylum advertises getting a special skin since I bought it from Walmart. I don't really care about it.
 
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My problems with the gaming world, no. 46

'I'm only outraged when it's me.'

Games have been doing this for years. Unless you (this being a general you, not just to the writer of the OP) complained just as loudly for every game that did it, regardless of whether you were even vaguely interested or not, then whatever you say smacks of hypocrisy. If you didn't care enough when some other poor sod was getting squeezed for every penny, just because it wasn't a franchise you personally didn't like, then why should I care about you?

Sure, I don't expect you to know about every single game, but I suspect if I went through the whole list of games which have been doing this, I'd find one that you just didn't care about, but did still know about, and yet didn't seem outraged then.

All or nothing guys and girls, all or nothing. This is also reason no. 3 why I hate politics.
 

EeveeElectro

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Games have done that for ages. I suppose you have to pick one, but for convenience sake, I'm getting the Robin one because my local Gamestation does the Robin DLC.
I think paying to play as Catwoman is ridiculous, online passes really piss me off.
I pre-ordered it today, it's the first game I'm buying on first day of release in a while. ;_;
 

Xanadu84

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Skins are purely cosmetic. This is the kind of thing that SHOULD be relegated to pre-orders, because they don't effect gameplay. As for making you pay for Catwoman if you buy used...Im sorry, but this bugs me. Companies who do this have EVERY DAMN RIGHT to do so, and it is COMPLETELY FAIR. People can whine all they want about how they paid for a game and company greed. The undeniable fact remains that buying a game used means that the company that made the game are not getting a single cent for something they made. By charging for catwoman, they dare to insist on the idea that they should get some money for their work. But they arn't even insisting that they get paid more then the people who put a sticker on the used game and walk it over to a shelf. Vague, idealistic blathering says that companies shouldn't do this, but mathamatics begs to differ.
 

OriginalLadders

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All of these are little extras, they're not the main game or even a sizable chunk of it. I honestly couldn't care less about the pre-order skins; Batman is Batman no matter the costume and I don't like the character enough to care about any one costume more than any other. And as for Catwoman, I think it's a good way to encourage sales of new games; instead of punishing the used buyer by cutting out half the game, reward the new buyer by giving them a little extra mileage from the game. Though it is a MASSIVE dick-move dangling Catwoman in everyone's faces as early as possible and then announcing it was only available, without buying a pass, for new sales less than a week before the release.

In short; I have not pre-ordered it but will be buying Arkham City new. This is the way the industry should encourage new sales and it should be encouraged.