Poll: Piracy dilema kind-of

[PureChaos]

firstly, very British with the 'oh bugger', I approve

secondly, would be fine to me. if you bought it but wanted to download it after losing contact with your friend i would have said no but as you've bought it twice, i'd say it was acceptable

 

[MiriaJiyuu]

You already bought it you have paid for all the songs on it, your just getting another copy that since you lost it, it's not much different then making a copy of the album in the even your first one is lost.

But yes it's still illegal, but morality extends beyond the law, a court would find you guilty and blah blah blah, but you paid for it you are entitled to it. Technically no this morality is not beyond the law, but hey your entitled to what you pay for.

(When I say Morality extends beyond the law I mean is alright for someone to steal food to feed themselves if they have no money and will die very soon if they do not eat, by that I mean is it morally acceptable for us, the community, to let that man die, just because he shouldn't break the law. Might as well just stab him ourselves.)

 

[Kae]

I just copy every CD I ever own to my computer, to tell you the truth I don't really have most of my CDs but I still have the files that I copied to my PC, I don't know if that's illegal but I don't really care.
As for you're "dilemma", I really find nothing wrong with that, IMO copyright can go to hell, I mean if I bought StarCraft, made a copy of it and after a long time lost the original CD, I should still be able to play my backup copy, but instead I only get a message that says the contract has expired and it doesn't let me play, so yeah to hell with copyright laws they suck.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Snip!

Do you feel justified? Have you actually paid for the object in question with your hard-earned cash at least once? If you've answered yes to both and if you've bought it *twice*, I daresay you've done your job as a consumer. Pirate away.

Legally, however, it's not quite so easy. It still qualifies as copyright infringement and you could always find narrow-minded sorts who won't care about your having bought something twice and will only focus on your single act of piracy.

In this case, however, and seeing as you never specified if you were in a *moral* or *ethical* quandary, I'd have to say it feels fine.

Also, with all due respect...

Search bar. Use it.

We've got hundreds of these "do I or don't I" piracy threads around, it's getting rather ridiculous.

 

[gideonkain]

I recently purchased a game and it would not start up the only way to make it work was to download a exe that wasn't from the developer, then it suddenly worked - games I buy don't work and I need the userbase to fix it for me.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

I'm sure Mumford and Sons is on Itunes. Just do that. Or you could use a Youtube to MP3 converter and convert all the songs with it, which isn't illegal (I do it for certain songs when I don't feel like buying an entire album for the one; such as "Fire Brigade" by The Move and "Little Green Rosetta" from Frank Zappa). Lastly, you could simply buy the album a 3rd time and back it up on the Computer As soon as you get home. Pirating would be the last thing I'd recommend you do.

 

[locoartero]

Move to belgium. Over here downloading is technicly not illegal. As long as you don't sell your downloads and/or give them to other people.

It's some stupid law really. Because here it is ok to tape something that is on TV. As long as you watch whatever you taped in your own home.

There are no anti-piracy laws here and so... Downloading falls under the same law as the TV thing. Stupid I know but there you have it .

PS: I do not support internet piracy and sorry for the bad spelling. I blame my education.

Same in Argentina. Except we get a good education. In fact, since piracy is legal here, people sell blu-rays and dvds on the streets and we have created a site called Cuevana (google it, won't post link) that's kind of a free Netflix for everyone that doesn't rely on megavideo and the likes but on storing a caché of a DD.
In fact, if you want a legal copy of a game or a console without a modchip, you have to go a long way or import, since game stores here will sell you pirated copies (I'm fucking serious) and modchipped consoles.

 

[Bruenin]

Yus!
It really shouldn't be outlawed, you bought the disc and the data on it... you're allowed to download it to your computer and you've already contributed your money. Why should they stop you from redownloading the disc. it won't ever be because companies are greedy but still, I think you're morally ok.

 

[kouriichi]

I see nothing wrong with it. You payed for the product, you have a right to it. Unless you signed a contract saying "This is my one and only copy unless i purchase another", its completely acceptable for you to download it.

If you never purchased it to begin with, then id see a problem. But since youve owned it AT LEAST once, your completely fine to download, and enjoy your time with it

 

[babinro]

Well it's still illegal to pirate. Your situation is not one that grants you permission to circumvent the law. It sucks that you forgot to backup your property, but why should that suddenly become the fault and loss of the band or it's publishers rightful profits?

Perhaps if you write a kind letter to the band they'll give you a free CD or consent to pirate in this one instance.

 

[targren]

Well, when we discuss these things I assume we are going by the laws of the US, since those are the ones the forum rules mention. Downloading music without uploading it isnt illegal where I live either, but then again, a lot of unspeakable acts are legal in many countries so... Is it really relevant?

Not half as irrelevant as whether or not something is illegal in relation to its morality. Plenty of immoral things are perfectly legal (and in some cases, apparently sacred), and plenty of completely harmless things are illegal.

One has nothing to do with the other and the OP didn't ask about the legality of it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Give up on the album, it's obviously cursed. /silly

I had that problem with the movie Super Troopers.

 

[Apollo45]

So I get a pack of bubblegum from the store. My friend wanted some gum, I let them borrow it. They ate it all.

It gets worse. I get another pack of bubblegum, the same brand that I so freaking love, from the store again. Some jerk-off breaks into my car, takes the coffee that was in my cup holder, takes my loose change in the little dashboard box, and my second packet of bubblegum is gone.

Now, would it be okay, since I bought the bubblegum twice now, if I went and took some for free? Even if I got it from someone else who took it for free?


If the cd is less-than-new, you should be able to grab it online new for relatively nothing by now. And besides, if you pirate it, you don't get the pleasure of holding the nifty album cover art and case in your hand.

If you like the music, buying it again will directly support the people that wrote and performed that music. In fact, if those people have a website, buy it direct from the source to tell them that you fully appreciate what they did to make your day.

And this time, make a copy of the CD you buy so you will not have such an unfortunate dilemma again. Call it a lesson learned. I'm quite shocked that you took out the time to acquire a digital copy of all your other music, but somehow didn't do the same for this CD that you repeatedly state you love and enjoy.

Difference is that bubblegum is a physical, tangible object that is limited to being said tangible object. That pack of bubblegum, specifically that pack, cost the company money to produce, package, and ship.

The music, on the other hand, isn't tangible. It's a piece of data floating around on the internet. It cost money to produce initially, but once it hits the internet it doesn't cost the developers (in this case the band and the publishers) anything to keep making more of it, and as a consumer you can listen to it all you want. That's where your analogy falls apart, unfortunately.

Now, to pirate the thing initially is obviously morally wrong as well as illegal. You don't support anyone, and in essence it is like stealing said pack of bubblegum. What the OP is proposing doing, however, is fundamentally different. He's already paid for the music not once but twice. The first time was his mistake, and if it were just that I would say buy it again. The second time, however, isn't his fault. It's the fault of some pricks who decided that they would not only physically steal an object that was someone else's, but also damage other property in the process. In that case, so long as the insurance company didn't give you enough money to purchase a new copy of the music in addition to everything else, I see it as morally justified to download a new album.

As many people have said, however, it's also illegal. Because of that, I can't officially support it. Officially. But I'll bet you can guess what my vote was.

 

[Grog289]

I would say its fine, just make sure you go to a Mumford and Sons concert, concerts are where bands make most of their money, They get very little from a CD sale. Also Mumford and Sons are some of the best performers I've ever seen and more than worth the price of admission

 

[manic_depressive13]

I recently purchased a game and it would not start up, I tried everything for days and eventually hit up the forums - at the bottom of one thread (which after this post ceased all conversation) was a guy who said "Listen, I know I'm gonna get banned for this but I don't care - if your game won't load past this certain screen (which it wouldn't) d/l this cracked exe, the problem is in the way the game is supposed to go through a handshake with the developers server" (DRM)

So he really did get banned? What a hero T_T

OT: I wouldn't judge you for pirating it.

 

[Viridian]

I knew a guy who pirated a game. I asked him why. You know what he said?

"I wanted it."

There isn't really any justification that isn't subjective and debatable. So the question: Do you want it enough to pirate it? Regardless of the collective wisdom of your peers, you'll do what you want, in the end.

 

[Yopaz]

By our law it's legal to download music if you own or have paid for a physical copy of it. Also who does it hurt? You have in fact paid for an album twice so it's not like the artist will starve because of you. They're more likely to starve ebcause they got an evil record company that hogs all their money.