Poll: Please to Give Opinion: Do you find this evokes Pedophilia?

[nightmare_gorilla]

the impression I get from this is at times a little porny maybe a little predatory in some ways but overall what i see when i watch this is father/daughter older bro/younger sister. it looks like play fighting. like a family having difficulty connecting and getting burned here and there. I don't know about yours but in my family life we always love each other but it isn't always plesant there are times where you yell and scream and push each others buttons. but there are moments in the video that clearly demonstrate love and sillyness and very much not sex. yeah they're almost nude but, and maybe i'm unusual in this way but seeing them all grimy and what looks like maybe blood? yeah when I see blood I tend to move away from sex but again that may be me being wierd.

 

[lord canti]

First, I absolutely loved the song. Now on to the question at hand. I honestly didn't get a pedo vibe from this video. I saw a story of a man who is trapped with his mental illness who keeps toying with him and ultimately realizes that he can never let go of it. The video was absolutely beautiful in the choreography and the story telling and i cant see why any body would see as pedophilia.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

Bah, some countries should take "war on drugs" method and ban all children.

It is most surefire way to combat pedophiles and we will not have controversy such as this as well.

I think that's the most hilarious takedown of "The War on Drugs" I've ever read. Though the funniest thing about the "War on Drugs" is not that the people on drugs are 'winning' (though that is pretty funny), it's that the U.S.A. already learned that prohibition doesn't work (and leads to organised crime) in the 1930's.

OT: I have no opinion. I don't even want to watch the video as I can tell it's not my sort of music. However, I've got to say, we should forgive Shia for Transformers, Indy and whatever other crap he's worked on. He was excellent in Fury, and definitely has potential as an actor.

 

[Vlado]

Posting on a forum complaining about not wasting time doing pointless things like watching a music video? Not pointless apparently.

I anticipated this kind of response. If my post makes even one person question whether they're spending time on things that really deserve their time (a very finite resource), it'll have been well worth it.

 

[RJ 17]

and I've always found the backlash against LaBeouf somewhat puzzling. Yes, he's an oddball, but he's a method actor. Method actors are oddballs.

Method actor, oddball, and plagiarist...can't forget that last one. Especially considering the fact that he's such an unrepentant plagiarist that he plagiarized his apology for being a plagiarist. That's my favorite part about that whole deal...takes a real kind of special to do something like that. :3

OT: Well the video wouldn't load all the way for me and I don't have the time fight with a youtube video right now, so I'll just say this: in a world where Miley Cyrus can get away with swinging around completely nude on a wreaking ball and call it an "artsy music video", I don't see why this should be considered any different.

That said, having a dirty, bearded, mostly naked man chasing around a little girl in a cage (as that's about as far as the video would load for me) certainly does seem like Pedobear Approved Art.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

It's not sexualized at all.
Even if she was actually naked, unless its made for sexual reasons its not porn.

Sure, people might get off too it, but that's really none of our concern.

Child porn tends to fall well outside the "no harm, no foul" bounds

On an unrelated note... why is this?
Take this video for example, she obviously wasn't harmed in any way. And its not going to leave her impacted in any negative way emotionally yet people are still getting mad over it.
Same as lolicon porn. Peta doesn't seem to mind the furries looking at drawn wolves as sexual creatures, but you draw a naked person with a number 8 above its head and suddenly you've broken the law.

 

[Strazdas]

its love how the pool results seem to show there isnt a single person that thought it was paedophilia.

This clip, no matter what it was, could not be paedophilia. this is because paedophilia is a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Sia, bieng 12, is not one. Therefore, it is medically impossible for this to be Paedophilia. What could be a possibility is Hebophophilia, a word that media appears to not even know exists. That being said, i do not think this was a case of one.

 

[Denamic]

We should just ban anything with kids in it. Or anything that might be considered offensive by someone. Actually, just ban everything. Would save a lot of time.

 

[kasperbbs]

The only thing i found disturbing in this video is how good that beard looks on Shia, he should never shave.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Whatever, it's just some made-up controversy to sell the video.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

Whatever, it's just some made-up controversy to sell the video.

Or, y'know, it's just expressive art...

Haven't read most of the replies, nor the entirety of the original post pertaining to the supposed 'controversy' (quotes from daft numpties from comment sections or Twitter isn't exactly going to make for revelatory readin'). Sia, Shia, and co are prodding and provoking perceptions, if anything, nothing more. Other than that, it's just interpretative dance/performance art, so, yeah... that's it.

I've actually always liked Shia Le--- *googles correct spelling* ---LaBeouf, and this just makes me like/respect him more. He's a little nuts, sure, but that at least makes him vaguely interesting in the wasteland that is La La Land. More importantly, with that beard, he NEEDS to co-star in another Western by Andrew Dominik (he of The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford-fame), or if not that, something Western-y done by Tarantino, because he looks all kinds of badass.

Oh, I voted as 'this poll needs more/different options'; it's unquestionably art (anything and everything can be/is), but I don't particularly have an opinion on it, personally, so 'I enjoy very much' doesn't apply. Sia's done some gorgeous noise/music in the past, however, so I'm principally pro-Sia.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Whatever, it's just some made-up controversy to sell the video.

Or, y'know, it's just expressive art...

Never said it wasn't. I just find the controversy forced and a non-subject. Like when that guy wore that shirt, and everybody on the internet immediately formed two bands about it, as everybody on the internet will do when somebody tells them something is controversial.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

Never said it wasn't. I just find the controversy forced and a non-subject.

Fair enough - I officially retract my snark with that comment if you were referring to any 'reactions'. It just came across as dismissive of what they created. From what I've heard and seen of her in the past, I doubt Sia's cynical or tacky enough to consciously peddle controversy.

 

[Tono Makt]

Whole lot of mixed signals coming from this video and the Chandelier video. Given how our culture eroticses nudity, having dancers in skin tight flesh coloured leotards is bound to come across to many as erotic. (NOT pornographic, using erotic intentionally here) We also use it to denote ultimate defenselessness, or the ultimate trust/intimacy, but the primary way our culture deals with nudity is eroticism. Dance is also eroticised, to a much lesser degree.

You put the two of them together and there will be a huge segment of the population who will find the combination to be erotic.

Then you make the female dancer a pre-teen girl... and that's bound to cause a huge problem for many people. Simulated nudity: Erotic. Dancing: Erotic. Pre-teen girl: NOT EROTIC. NOT EROTIC. So how do you reconcile the eroticism that is implied (among other things - trust, defenslessness, intimacy, etc.) with simulated nudity and dancing?

Now, add to that how we are subtly (and not so subtly) sexualizing our children. I walked into a Childrens Place - a Canadian kids clothing store - and found some pretty short skirts that were labelled as 3T. Meaning for 3 year olds, where the skirt would come to about her upper thigh. There were bikini's for 4 year olds, and midriff baring shirts for girls of all ages. And these were fairly conservative articles compared to some of the stuff I saw at the GAP and other more famous children's stores. And the models were posed in ways very similar to adult models - ways we're supposed to find alluring in the models.

So, you've got the eroticism of (simulated) nudity, the eroticism of dancing, the confused sexualization of pre-teen girls in the society this video is aimed at... yeah. Trouble.

For the record I don't believe there is any intentional sexual innuendos in either video, where they are trying to say "We want you to want to fuck this underage girl." or "We want you to get a boner from watching what this underage girl does." Still, it's not easy to look past my cultural upbringing to see something else in there, and for people who have a vested interest in NOT seeing past it...

 

[Username Redacted]

Could not make it through much of the video due to the music itself not really being my thing but I'm glad to see that someone productively re-purposed the WWEs Elimination Chamber gimmick into...something. Don't really get the pedo vibe from the video though I get that Shia LeBeouf can be is creepy as hell. See also:

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

This nation is puritanical and treats children like the extension of their parents rather than their own human beings so of course they will obsess with this kind of material. The truth of the matter is that anyone who finds this sexual in any way is the one with the problem. They have the bug in the head and they project it to other people, in so doing giving themselves up as the real creeps.



This video is a weird artsy video and when I first saw it i saw a father and a daughter of the stone ages. This was what the bodysuits signified for me (combined with the animal-like motion). If you saw those and thought "sex" you really need to get your rocks off more. It's like the fanatic muslims who see an ankle and instantly need to change their pants. You're so repressed that about anything and everything is sexual to you, even little kids in leotards dancing like cavemen.

 

[Robert Marrs]

Its super cheesy but its at least trying to be art. Trying. I wouldn't call it creepy just cringey.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I watched the entire thing until the video ended and I've got to say that this didn't seem like pedophilia at all. More than anything it felt like a father and his daughter going through a lot of crap. By the end of the video I actually felt like I was going to cry. It's one of the most beautiful music videos I've ever seen. I'm amazed that people can call this pornographic. I have seen porn. This is not porn.

The only reason people found this so "disturbing" was because of the age difference between Shia and Maddie and the fact that Shia is male. If Shia were a woman, this wouldn't be an issue. I wonder if they'd want to arrest a father for playing with his kids as well. Then again, this is the same world that automatically associates men with pedophiles, evident in the Airline's sexist policy preventing men from sitting next to minors. I mean, how do you fight against something like that? "I demand my right to sit next to minors!" I don't think anyone would complain about not having to sit next to snot-nose, but really the simple fact that I'm being treated like a sex offender because I'm male bothers me.

I'm ranting a bit now. =S Anyway, no this is not pedo-bait. I mean, it is, but so is a picture of a kid on the internet.