Poll: Poll: If you ever have a daughter, will you have her circumcised?

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StBishop

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BlindTom said:
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Serris said:
for men, circumsision is a matter of hygiene: it's not necessary, but it's more hygienic.

for women, there is zero advantage to being circumcised, and in fact poses many health risks during the operation.
i would die before i let anyone touch my daughter with a knife in that place for no good reason whatsoever.
This is true. If I've got my facts straight, circumcision for men is really only a health benefit if anything. But circumcision for women can be very detrimental and unsafe.

It's not just a coincidence that there are more groups against female circumcision then there are against male circumcision.
So you don't think it is a result of western religions targeting men's genitals and forcing them to internalise and accept their abuses whilst finding the similar practices of non christian religions abhorrent?
As far as I'm aware the only religion that requires circumcision is Judaism. Which is explicitly not a Christian religion. It's an Abrahamic religion.

But I can understand that you feel somewhat attacked.

When I read your topic I was taken aback, circumcision is really looked down upon in Australia (unless there's a population that I was unaware of who have a different view), even in school we were taught about female circumcision but it was called genital mutilation. I understand that they are two different processes but many wouldn't see the distinction.

Also, I wouldn't circumcise any child unless it was a medical necessity, not just girls.
 

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No, no, a thousand times no. Not for either gender, gawd. Larp it, flunk it, funk no am I going to let anyone do that to my children, male OR female. Here's why.

1: Health benefits are myths or just redundant (no foreskin/labia infections if we take the whole thing off, win?!)

2: There's much too large a chance for complications i.e. not having a penis anymore due to a failed procedure, or going numb in the last place you'd want to go numb.

3: They strap an unwilling baby into a restraint chair and mangle their genitals with NO anaesthesia. The adult analogue is torture, and of the worst kind, but here, it's a medical procedure! No. Hulk no. Quark no.

If a person of consenting age wants to do it, go for it! Your body and all that. But I think this is the first time I've really wanted to just cry out, "Think of the children!"
 

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I'm either ignorant or just stupid but I didn't know women could be circumcised. I thought it was strictly a male thing. o_O
 

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Jamboxdotcom said:
Yosharian said:
Female circumcision is disgusting, why are we even having this discussion? If it's a joke, I don't 'get it'. Talking about this topic makes me want to hit people in the face.
...if male circumcision actually meant having your whole dick cut off, then people could compare it to "female circumcision"....
Here's a fun thing doctors do if they fudge the operation, or if complications develop. Instead of rebuilding the penis, they carve a vagina in and call it a gender reassignment. Not the only treatment, sure, but it's the easiest. That's an important word there.

Complications occur at a rate of 2-10% depending on the study. A newborn male has a little less than a 2-10% chance of getting their dick cut off and becoming a forced transvestite. Can we compare it to "female circumcision" now?
 

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I made the poor decision of using circumcision as the basis for a research paper a couple semesters ago, and have developed some strong feelings on the subject. Apologies in advance, but I can't understate how much of a lifestyle change it would be to be born with a missing penis and a lifetime supply of estrogen supplements.
 

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Elric Randall said:
Here's a fun thing doctors do if they fudge the operation, or if complications develop. Instead of rebuilding the penis, they carve a vagina in and call it a gender reassignment. Not the only treatment, sure, but it's the easiest. That's an important word there.

Complications occur at a rate of 2-10% depending on the study. A newborn male has a little less than a 2-10% chance of getting their dick cut off and becoming a forced transvestite. Can we compare it to "female circumcision" now?
ok, how about this? even assuming those numbers are correct, which i can almost guarantee they aren't, considering that roughly 3/4 of men in the US are circumcised, and far, far less than 1% have infant gender reassignment surgeries, the fact remains that only happens when something goes horribly wrong. compare that to "female circumcision", where a female is virtually unable to experience orgasm when it's done correctly.

if you feel male circumcision is wrong, that's fine. as i stated, i don't care either way. but you cannot compare it to "female circumcision" any more than you can compare pruning a tree to cutting it down.

also, fyi, if you have a sex-change operation, you're a "transsexual", not a "transvestite". transvestism means dressing as a member of the opposite sex. people need to stop confusing the two words.
 

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Elric Randall said:
No, no, a thousand times no. Not for either gender, gawd. Larp it, flunk it, funk no am I going to let anyone do that to my children, male OR female. Here's why.

1: Health benefits are myths or just redundant (no foreskin/labia infections if we take the whole thing off, win?!)

2: There's much too large a chance for complications i.e. not having a penis anymore due to a failed procedure, or going numb in the last place you'd want to go numb.

3: They strap an unwilling baby into a restraint chair and mangle their genitals with NO anaesthesia. The adult analogue is torture, and of the worst kind, but here, it's a medical procedure! No. Hulk no. Quark no.

If a person of consenting age wants to do it, go for it! Your body and all that. But I think this is the first time I've really wanted to just cry out, "Think of the children!"
This, a billion times over.

I'd only allow it if there was a medical problem requiring it.

Just the thought of FC is turning my stomach.
 

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NO! Absolutely NO!
I'm not a fucking child abuser!

I wouldn't even have a boy circumcised.
It's a stupid religous tradition that have no point with either sex.
 

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BabyRaptor said:
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I don't like it. And as I said, if by some distortion in the very fabric of reality, I reproduce, I will avoid interaction with my child's genitalia in any and every way.
How do you plan to go about toilet training the kid then?
Dark magic, of course!
 

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Serris said:
for men, circumsision is a matter of hygiene: it's not necessary, but it's more hygienic.
You are right and wrong at the same time. There been studies that state that circumcision has negative and positive effect on the health of the penis.
But if it would be bad for the male health to have that extra flap of skin, wouldn't evolution got rid of it, instead of us? Seeing it seems to be rather vital organ.

Also why is there less STD's in Scandinavian countries in which it is not considered the norm to circumcise?

But I am missing the point.

NO! I wouldn't let anyone to touch my daughter or my son. It is unnatural to do anything like that to any child of any gender. If they would be something to get rid of evolution would have done it long ago. It is not considered the norm in my culture or in my community.

And don't give me anything that is more hygienic or better. I trust science, it has give proof to either to both sides of this debate leaving me in to the position of choosing to which side I will go with. I have no right to mutilate my child's body either. And there is no demand from religion or culture to do it either so, I wont do it.
 

BlindTom

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Journal of Urology (Baltimore), vol 153, no 3 part I (March 1995: pp 778-779) states that the rate of accidents is from 1.5% to 15%.


"Eva Brown, the mother of a now three year old boy, took Dr. Lynn Whittington to court for circumcising her son in 1992 without her consent. ...the hospital must pay the child $65,000 in compensatory damages for the circumcision." Circ Info Network 950722
"During the course of the circumcision, Dr. Tam, a pediatrician, amputated approximately 30% of the distal glans penis and transected the glandular urethra. A less than successful attempt was made to reattach that which had been excised. The Plaintiff (an infant) has undergone 4 corrective surgeries and requires at least one further surgery at this time." Circ Info Network 950107
Paige says, "Westerners look askance at the ritual mutilations of the body performed in exotic tribes, but they justify their own ritual mutilations as medically appropriate. Americans...stand with few other modern nations in clinging to a ritual that is no less 'barbaric' and no more 'hygienic' [than] routine circumcision." Circ Info Network 950722
"I knew that my penis was not as it ought to be, from the age of about 3. My reaction then was that I was born that way as a punishment for some wrong of mine which I could not recall nor comprehend. At age 9 I was told that my MGM was a mistake, that there had been nothing wrong with me that required its being done. The doctors had bullied my naive 19 year-old mother whilst my intact father was away at war to cut me and the various physical messes were a result of the MGM.

She talked about having further surgery to correct the worst of them, and I can still re-live (and see with photographic clarity) the terror and my scream of "NO NO, Mummy, NO!" which probably reflected a deep memory of the original pain. Throughout childhood onwards I felt mutilated, ugly, and unlovely and unlovable.

When you add that to the ordinary doubts of puberty; when you add that to the loss of sexual function (every erection was uncomfortable because of lack of skin); when I saw every day the crooked, ragged scar, the skin bridge, tags, suture-holes, the scars of infections on the skin just below the corona, the large 'blister-scar,' the encysted remains of my frenulum and the resulting twisting and general deformation; when so much sensation had been lost that at age 20 I could not feel oral sex on my glans but had to look; when at age 40 so much sensation had been lost that sex is and always was just a mechanical thrusting which at best felt of nothing, and more usually was a dry, abrading grind of encrusted vaginal fluids on the base of the shaft; then it is little wonder that I am now impotent. --from the NOHARMM mail list "
 

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Not at all. Everything about it is just...ugh. It makes me squirm just thinking about it. I don't see the point of it, and it's just unnatural.