Poll: Poll of the Day #2: Could Vegito from DBZ actually kill SCP-682?

[Grach]

SCP-682 just straight up doesn't die. That's its whole schtick. So, probably not.

This.

SCP doesn't just adjust to an attempt to kill it, it develops a way to use whatever the hell you tried to kill it with. Thats why the Foundation decided not to use a 60 megaton bomb in order to kill it.

 

[Drago-Morph]

We really have no ideas to the limits of Vegito's powers. I mean, OK, so he could blow up a lot of shit; that's obvious. But Gotenks, who is, just, nowhere near Vegito in power, ripped open a portal through dimensions by screaming loudly. And he didn't even break a sweat. So there's probably something Vegito could do to at least send it far, far away.

 

[EternallyBored]

SCP-682 just straight up doesn't die. That's its whole schtick. So, probably not.

This.

SCP doesn't just adjust to an attempt to kill it, it develops a way to use whatever the hell you tried to kill it with. Thats why the Foundation decided not to use a 60 megaton bomb in order to kill it.

Again, Cell and Buu were pretty much the same in that regard as well, they were both created with the intention of being the perfect, indestructible weapon. And given that in one experiments, it took a matter of hours for SCP-682 to finally adapt and counteract the crystallization process being done to it, there's no reason to believe that its ability to adapt is instantaneous, and the fact of the matter is, the characters from DBZ and the attacks they use simply wouldn't give SCP-682 enough time to adapt. The only thing SCP-682 would have going for it is the DBZ characters' annoying habit of not taking challenges seriously, toying with their opponents, deliberately allowing their opponents to become more powerful and/or letting less powerful characters fight first. And yet, despite all that, they still manage to find a way to kill something supposedly unkillable in the end. Even if we want to be completely unrealistic and completely ignore the experiments and results thereof and place SCP-682 beyond even the abilities of Buu (when in reality, it sounds to me like its abilities are much more on the level of Cell in his larval stage), they would eventually find a way, because that's just what they do.

The adaptation process for the crystalization process only took hours because it's more dramatic and creepy that way, this is a character whose literal powerset stated by the site staff is "can't be killed, and will come back in any way possible". If an attack requires 682 to travel back in time to adapt to it, that's what it will do, the whole reason the experiment log avoids that is that site staff don't want to turn the entry into a nonsensical mess.

The problem with 682's power is that it is stated by site staff when you try to submit experiments for it, that it always survives, that's the limit placed on any author that tries to submit a "let's try to kill 682" experiment, no matter what it is.

The actual experiments for killing him used to be a lot more extreme before the mods there decided to tone it down because the more extreme stories made the more relevent, better written, and creepy ones look pointless by comparison. We're talking experiments where 682 is completely annihilated or thrown into the sun, and just pops back into existence a few days later, or returns to earth on fire and pissed off.

682's adaptation speed is literally "whatever will make for a more dramatic entry", because again, his entire point as a character is to be a creepypasta no limits fallacy.

 

[Grach]

And given that in one experiments, it took a matter of hours for SCP-682 to finally adapt and counteract the crystallization process being done to it, there's no reason to believe that its ability to adapt is instantaneous, and the fact of the matter is, the characters from DBZ and the attacks they use simply wouldn't give SCP-682 enough time to adapt.

Yet, in another experiment they used a reality altering SCP to change the cosmological constants of the universe (in a closed-off portion of it) and the fucking thing enjoyed it. In another, they threw him into a miniature black hole and it was just reduced to 1% of its mass.

So I don't know if Vegito is really capable of killing him.

 

[ABLb0y]

Well, seeing as 682 can adapt to literally anything you throw at it, probably not. Like, you could throw it into the sun and it'd survive, so I doubt Vegito could do anything.

 

[EternallyBored]

And given that in one experiments, it took a matter of hours for SCP-682 to finally adapt and counteract the crystallization process being done to it, there's no reason to believe that its ability to adapt is instantaneous, and the fact of the matter is, the characters from DBZ and the attacks they use simply wouldn't give SCP-682 enough time to adapt.

Yet, in another experiment they used a reality altering SCP to change the cosmological constants of the universe (in a closed-off portion of it) and the fucking thing enjoyed it. In another, they threw him into a miniature black hole and it was just reduced to 1% of its mass.

So I don't know if Vegito is really capable of killing him.

This is the point people keep forgetting when they compare 682 to Cell or Buu, 682's adaptation time is basically only as fast or as slow as it needs to be for 682 to survive, with slow poisons and things like the crystals, 682 will adapt slowly because the thing attacking him is taking its sweet time, in cases where it needs to adapt fast, 682 can adapt instantaneously, or as the site moderators have suggested in the past, it can literally travel back in time to adapt if that's what it needs to do, 682 only adapts as fast as it needs to in order to survive.

 

[BoogieManFL]

I don't know much about DBZ, but I've read a good bit of the SCP stuff. From what little I've seen the DBZ guys are like overpowered by absurd leaps and bounds.

It'd be boring if it was completely and utterly 100% invulnerable. So I am going to say my vote is that speed and power that Vegito could bring against it would be too much for it to adapt to in time.

 

[EternallyBored]

This is the point people keep forgetting when they compare 682 to Cell or Buu, 682's adaptation time is basically only as fast or as slow as it needs to be for 682 to survive, with slow poisons and things like the crystals, 682 will adapt slowly because the thing attacking him is taking its sweet time, in cases where it needs to adapt fast, 682 can adapt instantaneously, or as the site moderators have suggested in the past, it can literally travel back in time to adapt if that's what it needs to do, 682 only adapts as fast as it needs to in order to survive.

You can't say it can do that if it was retconned out.

That stuff about the sun and traveling back in time? Totally nonsense. In all the logs it never even once produced the ability to control time or power levels near that.

If it happened in an older log that they retconned out then, simply put, it doesn't count.

Doesn't matter if it doesn't count, the mods are still enforcing that as the general rule, the agreed upon stats for posting snippets is that nothing can kill 682, and the sun and dimension thing are still considered canon by the site there is more stuff about 682 than just the experiment logs.

The only reason they toned it down was so the experiment log could keep the creepier snippets without seeming pointless.

Again, it's already been stated that the entire creation of 682 is as a no limits fallacy and any attempt to kill it will ultimately fail. The entry was created to basically mimic the attitude of children that go "nuh-uh I have infinity proof armor" when playing pretend, that's how the creature was set up, and that's how it currently remains.

EDIT: to clarify, 682 wasn't actually conceived of as invincible, and way back in 2008 there were a bunch of discussions on whether or not 682 should live or be taken out by another SCP, in that time 682 became kind of a memetic mascot for the site, so the mods had people fail to kill him in various spectacular ways.

They may retcon his virtual invincibility at some point in the future, but right now, his basic status is "unkillable and anything that would completely destroy it won't keep it gone forever". The immediately adapting itself from a state of nonexistence is still canon, and as long as it has that feat, there's really nothing DBZ style energy blasts are going to be able to muster against it. You'd have much better luck with DBZ's more esoteric enemies and powers like the dragonballs.

The problem with using anything from SCP in a scenario like this, is that almost all the SCPs are set up to be vague and kind of confusing on purpose, their supposed to be creepy, so things like weaknesses and vulnerabilities tend to be redacted by those black bars. 682 is basically protected by authorial fiat at this point, but given that the source material is done by collaboration, that invincibility could turn out to be false, or the product of an unreliable narrator.

 

[Therumancer]

Seems rather pointless to kill something like this when it can be easily neutralised. Even in that experiment log they managed to neutralise it 2 or 3 times, then just randomly stopped. The little girl they stopped because they "didn't want to have two dangerous SCP's in one containment" (despite them both being made safe around each other) and they stopped the chocolate fountain experiment because.. they got bored after a couple of hours or something? Who knows, no explanation was given.

Why kill something when you can make it useless.

Well, they don't sell it too well, but SCP-682 is supposed to be evil, and it's also hyper-intelligent also having interfaced with a sort of primitive hyper-adaptive AI. It's "harmless" due to being contained. That said the SCP as an organization does have a tendency to destroy anything they can that is remotely malevolent, and what they can't destroy they keep contained. Things that are just odd, harmless, or easily contained they just store someplace, and occasionally use in order to experiment with other SCPs and/or find ways of dealing with the ones they feel the need to destroy.

That said the SCP has access to a large variety of hyper-destructive items, some of which are quite creepy, and go into metaphysical territory beyond Goku and company being able to throw energy blasts and such. Indeed the SCP has a few things (or knows about them) that could wreck all of reality. One SCP (the number eludes me) implies that the SCP has actually destroyed earth and rebuilt it a number of times in it's experiments, so many that it's lost track. I think it's one of the newer ones.

Now I understand that Dragonball uses a logic where if people die they oftentimes just visit a training dimension and come back stronger, and so on, so it has it's metaphysical elements, but at the end of the day it still just comes down to huge amounts of kinetic force and energy projection, and if that worked, the SCP would have been able to destroy this thing, they probably have half a dozen ways at least of potentially erasing it from reality outright. Of course it should also be noted that the intelligence of this SCP is also probably part of why they keep it contained as opposed to going full-kilter against it, as there is always the concern that it would find a way to subvert or use whatever they decided to use on it.

I could be remembering wrong, but I vaguely remember one thing they discussed doing (which was vetoed) was using a mask holding the power of Satan (based on the one from that Claymation "Mark Twain" video where the kids of his creation meet the devil) since it erodes and totally destroys the form of whatever puts it on. Of course if that failed and you basically wound up with The Devil running around with an indestructible body, or a malevolent lizard running around with the powers of the devil (more or less the same thing for these purposes) everyone would be screwed.

You really have to occasionally binge-read SCP or it's "rival" the Global Occult Coalition (another similar site, I think I remember the name right, I haven't checked them out as much) which is set in the same universe and wars with the SCP, to get the idea. It's a bit of a mess, but to say that this gets into potential power levels that make Dragonball look weak (sometimes)....albeit in a different style... would be an understatement. Indeed a lot of this crap is contained specifically to prevent someone from deciding "hey, let's throw enough energy at this to destroy a solar system and see what happens" which would probably be a really bad thing in some cases.

 

[EternallyBored]

You really have to occasionally binge-read SCP or it's "rival" the Global Occult Coalition (another similar site, I think I remember the name right, I haven't checked them out as much) which is set in the same universe and wars with the SCP, to get the idea. It's a bit of a mess, but to say that this gets into potential power levels that make Dragonball look weak (sometimes)....albeit in a different style... would be an understatement. Indeed a lot of this crap is contained specifically to prevent someone from deciding "hey, let's throw enough energy at this to destroy a solar system and see what happens" which would probably be a really bad thing in some cases.

That's the main issue with trying to set up scenarios with anything big from SCP, everything is intentionally vague as hell, so it's hard to get a real idea of how powerful something is, especially compared to DBZ where power pretty much boils down to bigger energy blasts, with a couple wild card powers thrown in on occasion.

Hell, SCP literally has God (with a capitol G) on hand classified as SCP 343, given the amount of crap in that wiki, the universe pretty much gets destroyed on a regular basis, but various reality warping entities keep bringing it back. SCP hates going into details and explaining mechanics, so the upper limits of something like "can 682 actually be killed in a way that we would consider it dead?" are almost impossible to answer, because the very nature of the universe is to leave as much stuff up in the air as possible.

SCP really isn't something well suited to versus scenarios, the entire site hinges on leaving things vague, which pretty much drags everything down into subjective interpretations and kind of fuzzy arguments about what SCPs should or could be capable of.

Given the nature of SCP entries and writing, Therumancer is right that throwing solar system destroying energy at 682, or any number of other SCPs is pretty much only going to result in bad things happening.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

*Snip*

I love how this argument has boiled down to SCP-682 losing because it was nerfed for the sake of taste and drama, whereas DBZ knows no such limits.

 

[Objectable]

There is only one way to kill SCP 682

Put your fingers in a gun shape and yell BANG!
Thing keels over and just dies

 

[V da Mighty Taco]

There is only one way to kill SCP 682

Put your fingers in a gun shape and yell BANG!
Thing keels over and just dies

Not going to lie, that made me laugh. Imagine how awesome / infuriating it would be if that's actually how the SCP-682 game ended. XD