Poll: Poll: Single Mother Soldier Suing the MoD

[lee1287]

she's a woman, what do you expect? Not sure why you're all surprised.

 

[Bodyless]

Society today fails hard at making it possible for women to be mothers while maintaining any sort of career. I don't think this woman went about this the right way, but is it really so bad to expect that a place of employment could provide childcare?

I dont' know, is it too much to expect someone to come up with asking for the arrangement before they start working for the army? You know, like NORMAL people in civilian jobs?

How is she supposed to make arrangement for childcare before working for the army when in fact she got that baby 3 years after recruitment?

 

[Lullabye]

Society today fails hard at making it possible for women to be mothers while maintaining any sort of career. I don't think this woman went about this the right way, but is it really so bad to expect that a place of employment could provide childcare?

I dont' know, is it too much to expect someone to come up with asking for the arrangement before they start working for the army? You know, like NORMAL people in civilian jobs?

How is she supposed to make arrangement for childcare before working for the army when in fact she got that baby 3 years after recruitment?

Do we even have to tell you how you just destroyed your own argument? Do we? Really?

Um, I don't think she should have won. But I'm anti "kill people" generally and as such I feel the military is something fundamentally flawed and wrong so this evens out to a collective "meh"./just my opinion
In the end, what's done is done.
The moral of the story is: Single mothers are more powerful than the military?

 

[bluepilot]

I hate to say it, it makes me feel really old but...

Where was the father in all this?

I have nothing against those who choose to be single parents, but I still think that the father/mother should assume some responsibiliy in matters of childcare

I think that the army did everything within their power to help her, above and beyond most employers and that they did not deserve to be sued

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

People act like having a child entitles you to whatever you want. Shit, even rats have kids, her winning is an afront to all female soldiers that have to fight to get what they want.

 

[Daveman]

I hate the way people deal with discrimination cases. My dad was made redundant because a black lady who he interviewed for a job made a case that he sexually and racially discriminated against her. She lost the case because my dad is not sexist or racist and she was actually turned down the job because she was very underqualified compared to the other applicants. However once you have something like that on your record companies don't really want you around any more.

Anyway, back on topic I don't think it's racial discrimination if the army would have to bend immigration laws for a relative to see her, the MOD can't be at fault for that. On grounds of sexual discrimination I also disagree. She is expected to turn up to work, if her kid became ill (I doubt that it was ill for a WHOLE YEAR as is the time between her starting missing work and when she quit) then that is extenuating circumstances and that is fair for her to miss work. However the army didn't even fire her, she quit. They were still paying her even though she hadn't been turning up. No case IMO.

 

[JanatUrlich]

Of course the single mother was right to sue!

If you can sue over shit like that and get away with it, then surely she's just working the system for her own cause?

Well done I say!

 

[Plurralbles]

Society today fails hard at making it possible for women to be mothers while maintaining any sort of career. I don't think this woman went about this the right way, but is it really so bad to expect that a place of employment could provide childcare?

I dont' know, is it too much to expect someone to come up with asking for the arrangement before they start working for the army? You know, like NORMAL people in civilian jobs?

How is she supposed to make arrangement for childcare before working for the army when in fact she got that baby 3 years after recruitment?

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Society today fails hard at making it possible for women to be mothers while maintaining any sort of career. I don't think this woman went about this the right way, but is it really so bad to expect that a place of employment could provide childcare?

I dont' know, is it too much to expect someone to come up with asking for the arrangement before they start working for the army? You know, like NORMAL people in civilian jobs?

How is she supposed to make arrangement for childcare before working for the army when in fact she got that baby 3 years after recruitment?

Do we even have to tell you how you just destroyed your own argument? Do we? Really?

Um, I don't think she should have won. But I'm anti "kill people" generally and as such I feel the military is something fundamentally flawed and wrong so this evens out to a collective "meh"./just my opinion
In the end, what's done is done.
The moral of the story is: Single mothers are more powerful than the military?

Normal people, when negotiating a job, ask about benefits and what the company does for things like maternity leave and sickness. She is female. She should have known that she will have a child or not, so that's no big surprise otu of the blue. No one cries, "Something fell out of my vagina, I'm so surprised! No way to predict that!"

Personally I can't believe how incredibly selfish this woman is. She's her child's only provider, and yet she kept on with the military. That's so fucking responsible of her...

 

[C3rtainD3ath]

It is the army, what is it other than a war machine?

A flat-out no.

My answer would be different if the Armed forces had employed her knowing she had a child and then refused to care for it.

However, they employed her and one of the requirements of her employment was that she be avaliable for duty at any time. That she then (willingly?) fell pregnant, rendering her unable to fulfill that clause, constitues, in my mind anyway, a breach of contract.

- [Army employs person] + [Person breaches contract] = [Person fired from Army]

That she then successfully sues her employer for her choice to breach her contract is preposterous.

Her race and gender have nothing to do with it - You cannot sues someone else for a choice you made.

agreed. she got pregnant and last time i checked, you have 9 months to organise stuff before its to late. why should someone get a free ticket into a country without a proper reason? and just because somebody asked for them to come?

 

[Tyson765]

This is not right. All the judge has done is reward a single mother for being lazy and beleiving that the world revolves around her.

 

[GRoXERs]

Miss DeBique also won a claim of race discrimination because Army chiefs did not let her bring her half-sister from the Caribbean to look after the child.

...hang on, what? Why does the British army have a say over whether or not her sister's allowed to immigrate? Did she expect them to pay for it?

Seriously, what?

And yeah, she was pregnant for 9 months, which means she must have known about the baby for at least 6 months (I mean, jesus, pregnancy is kind of hard to miss) - that's plenty of time to make arrangements for childcare. She shouldn't have won this case.

 

[TheSquirrelisKing]

Seriously, maybe I should join the army. Then I can sue them later to make them solve all my problems.

*gasp* You stole my idea!

Hmm...I suppose you could...sue me

 

[fix-the-spade]

So my question to you guys is, do you think that she was right in suing the MoD?

No, because the MoD is one of the few employers that can point blank sack you for getting pregnant. I'm not surprised she won, people always side with the percieved victim. But hey, greed is good.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

Don't blame her, she was just an innocent bystander.

It was the Lawyer, clever bastard.

I can't stand lawyers.

I also don't understand why she sued the frickin' MoD on immigration issues. Since when was that the army's problem? I think they're a bit busy, y'know, fighting a war.

 

[Sharkie668]

I think they're a bit busy, y'know, fighting a war.

Exactly. They can't afford to waste the 6 figure sum that she wants on her, they need that for winning the war in Afghanistan.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

I think they're a bit busy, y'know, fighting a war.

Exactly. They can't afford to waste the 6 figure sum that she wants on her, they need that for winning the war in Afghanistan.

They should counter-sue against her for endangering the lives of other soldiers by taking MoD money.

 

[Sharkie668]

I think they're a bit busy, y'know, fighting a war.

Exactly. They can't afford to waste the 6 figure sum that she wants on her, they need that for winning the war in Afghanistan.

They should counter-sue against her for endangering the lives of other soldiers by taking MoD money.

They actually should.

 

[mad825]

'injury to feelings'

I lol'ed which is not healthy while im a society which is opposing sexism

but still I fear that the army would take the section of "infantry" not of soldiers but of babies

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

Injury to feelings? Really?