Poll: Portal 2 Ending (MASSIVE F**CKING SPOILERS)

[mjc0961]

Spoiler

It doesn't bother me that they didn't reference Half-Life that much. As far as I remember from Portal 1, the only mention of anything Half-Life was some power point presentations you could see at the end of the game about Aperture was going to try to compete with Black Mesa. So unless I missed or forgot something huge, Portal wasn't tied into Half-Life that much anyway.

 

[razelas]

Fucking hell, it is not that complicated:

APERTURE SCIENCE is presented as a loony bin, Cave Johnson, the turrets, Glados, etc. included. As such, the appearance of them in a game with a very serious tone is highly unlike, as they have all been presented as insane-in-a-funny-way. Why fucking bother having them there if they're going to be completely different?

The Borealis comes from Aperture, Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe, just like the Xen and the Combine are not relevant to Portal's, despite them existing in the same overall universe.

Spoiler

Because the technology that Aperture Science has developed, specifically portal technology, is very important to the Half Life series as a whole, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] since the 1) Xen was accessed from a portal, 2) the Combine invaded Earth through a portal and 3) the Combine cannot use portals within a dimension, only across dimensions, which is why Aperture Science is VERY IMPORTANT to the Half Life universe. The Portal series merely shows the other technology Aperture Science developed.

I would assume that Aperture itself was only invented because they needed another scientific research post for it to come from other than Black Mesa, if not its harder to keep it as a believable mystery as to what exactly is inside it if half of the people in Half Life 2 were bloody working at Black Mesa.

Spoiler

Portal technology is why they were in competition. Aperture Science developed intra-dimensional portals, and Black Mesa developed inter-dimensional portals, which allowed Xen and Combine access to Earth.

 

[Salakayin]

There's some more subtle potential references, too. In the same display as the newspaper stuff, there's trophies for government contracts and science stating Aperture as 'runner up'. So a more subtle to Black Mesa beating them in certain respects. Except shower curtains. *nods*

 

[Woodsey]

Fucking hell, it is not that complicated:

APERTURE SCIENCE is presented as a loony bin, Cave Johnson, the turrets, Glados, etc. included. As such, the appearance of them in a game with a very serious tone is highly unlike, as they have all been presented as insane-in-a-funny-way. Why fucking bother having them there if they're going to be completely different?

The Borealis comes from Aperture, Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe, just like the Xen and the Combine are not relevant to Portal's, despite them existing in the same overall universe.

Spoiler

Because the technology that Aperture Science has developed, specifically portal technology, is very important to the Half Life series as a whole, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] since the 1) Xen was accessed from a portal, 2) the Combine invaded Earth through a portal and 3) the Combine cannot use portals within a dimension, only across dimensions, which is why Aperture Science is VERY IMPORTANT to the Half Life universe. The Portal series merely shows the other technology Aperture Science developed.

I would assume that Aperture itself was only invented because they needed another scientific research post for it to come from other than Black Mesa, if not its harder to keep it as a believable mystery as to what exactly is inside it if half of the people in Half Life 2 were bloody working at Black Mesa.

Spoiler

Portal technology is why they were in competition. Aperture Science developed intra-dimensional portals, and Black Mesa developed inter-dimensional portals, which allowed Xen and Combine access to Earth.

Look, you're not paying attention to any of the reasoning as to why there's not going to be the big cross over you're hoping for.

And the only way in which Aperture science is important is that they created the Borealis, this in itself does not make them key to Half Life, it makes the Borealis key.

 

[razelas]

Fucking hell, it is not that complicated:

APERTURE SCIENCE is presented as a loony bin, Cave Johnson, the turrets, Glados, etc. included. As such, the appearance of them in a game with a very serious tone is highly unlike, as they have all been presented as insane-in-a-funny-way. Why fucking bother having them there if they're going to be completely different?

The Borealis comes from Aperture, Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe, just like the Xen and the Combine are not relevant to Portal's, despite them existing in the same overall universe.

Spoiler

Because the technology that Aperture Science has developed, specifically portal technology, is very important to the Half Life series as a whole, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] since the 1) Xen was accessed from a portal, 2) the Combine invaded Earth through a portal and 3) the Combine cannot use portals within a dimension, only across dimensions, which is why Aperture Science is VERY IMPORTANT to the Half Life universe. The Portal series merely shows the other technology Aperture Science developed.

I would assume that Aperture itself was only invented because they needed another scientific research post for it to come from other than Black Mesa, if not its harder to keep it as a believable mystery as to what exactly is inside it if half of the people in Half Life 2 were bloody working at Black Mesa.

Spoiler

Portal technology is why they were in competition. Aperture Science developed intra-dimensional portals, and Black Mesa developed inter-dimensional portals, which allowed Xen and Combine access to Earth.

Look, you're not paying attention to any of the reasoning as to why there's not going to be the big cross over you're hoping for.

Which are...?

And the only way in which Aperture science is important is that they created the Borealis, this in itself does not make them key to Half Life, it makes the Borealis key.

Lolwut? Did you not read the link [MASSIVE F!!KING SPOILER ALERT] [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] I gave you?

Spoiler

Aperture Science and Black Mesa WERE IN COMPETITION in developing portal tech. How is that NOT important to Half Life? Aperature Science is just as much important to Half Life as Black Mesa is, not just because of the Borealis. They have a fucking history, for fucks sake.

 

[Veret]

This is a very, very minor point, but I'm making it anyway: Digging through the game files, I found an audio clip called "headcrab_burning_loop2" (in sound/npc/headcrab). It is three seconds long, and sounds like a headcrab burning. Discuss.

 

[Dr. Paine]

-snip-

I spoiled the endings... Friday or Saturday, I think, I know about that x3

I guess... they might operate different in the Portal 'verse, but I've never thought those things would be good for running tests like most of what you see in Portal, you'd want someone competent around if you really wanted to get results. -shrug- Eh, we'll have to wait and see.

Also, on the topic of how important Aperture/Portal is to Half Life...

Aperture only came around when Portal came out, and Valve re-wrote some of the Half Life history to include it, and by extension, Portal, in the same universe/timeline. It's also been said Chell will have an important part in the overall Half Life universe- however, this was from an interview in '07, so it could have been scrapped by this point.

 

[Woodsey]

Fucking hell, it is not that complicated:

APERTURE SCIENCE is presented as a loony bin, Cave Johnson, the turrets, Glados, etc. included. As such, the appearance of them in a game with a very serious tone is highly unlike, as they have all been presented as insane-in-a-funny-way. Why fucking bother having them there if they're going to be completely different?

The Borealis comes from Aperture, Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe, just like the Xen and the Combine are not relevant to Portal's, despite them existing in the same overall universe.

Spoiler

Because the technology that Aperture Science has developed, specifically portal technology, is very important to the Half Life series as a whole, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] since the 1) Xen was accessed from a portal, 2) the Combine invaded Earth through a portal and 3) the Combine cannot use portals within a dimension, only across dimensions, which is why Aperture Science is VERY IMPORTANT to the Half Life universe. The Portal series merely shows the other technology Aperture Science developed.

I would assume that Aperture itself was only invented because they needed another scientific research post for it to come from other than Black Mesa, if not its harder to keep it as a believable mystery as to what exactly is inside it if half of the people in Half Life 2 were bloody working at Black Mesa.

Spoiler

Portal technology is why they were in competition. Aperture Science developed intra-dimensional portals, and Black Mesa developed inter-dimensional portals, which allowed Xen and Combine access to Earth.

Look, you're not paying attention to any of the reasoning as to why there's not going to be the big cross over you're hoping for.

Which are...?

And the only way in which Aperture science is important is that they created the Borealis, this in itself does not make them key to Half Life, it makes the Borealis key.

Lolwut? Did you not read the link [MASSIVE F!!KING SPOILER ALERT] [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] I gave you?

Spoiler

Aperture Science and Black Mesa WERE IN COMPETITION in developing portal tech. How is that NOT important to Half Life? Aperature Science is just as much important to Half Life as Black Mesa is, not just because of the Borealis. They have a fucking history, for fucks sake.

Which are the loony tunes vibes given off by everything Aperture. The only thing that does not give off that vibe is when the Borealis is mentioned, which is in Half Life. Bringing characters over, as well as the turrets and whatever else, doesn't work.

And I know everything you've posted already, you don't need to link me to any of it.

Aperture's creation was based around the need for another source to the Borealis, Portal served as a way to make Aperture more tangible and consequential, rather than just a name drop. The fact that they were in competition doesn't matter. Its called back story.

 

[razelas]

Fucking hell, it is not that complicated:

APERTURE SCIENCE is presented as a loony bin, Cave Johnson, the turrets, Glados, etc. included. As such, the appearance of them in a game with a very serious tone is highly unlike, as they have all been presented as insane-in-a-funny-way. Why fucking bother having them there if they're going to be completely different?

The Borealis comes from Aperture, Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe, just like the Xen and the Combine are not relevant to Portal's, despite them existing in the same overall universe.

Spoiler

Because the technology that Aperture Science has developed, specifically portal technology, is very important to the Half Life series as a whole, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] since the 1) Xen was accessed from a portal, 2) the Combine invaded Earth through a portal and 3) the Combine cannot use portals within a dimension, only across dimensions, which is why Aperture Science is VERY IMPORTANT to the Half Life universe. The Portal series merely shows the other technology Aperture Science developed.

I would assume that Aperture itself was only invented because they needed another scientific research post for it to come from other than Black Mesa, if not its harder to keep it as a believable mystery as to what exactly is inside it if half of the people in Half Life 2 were bloody working at Black Mesa.

Spoiler

Portal technology is why they were in competition. Aperture Science developed intra-dimensional portals, and Black Mesa developed inter-dimensional portals, which allowed Xen and Combine access to Earth.

Look, you're not paying attention to any of the reasoning as to why there's not going to be the big cross over you're hoping for.

Which are...?

And the only way in which Aperture science is important is that they created the Borealis, this in itself does not make them key to Half Life, it makes the Borealis key.

Lolwut? Did you not read the link [MASSIVE F!!KING SPOILER ALERT] [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] I gave you?

Spoiler

Aperture Science and Black Mesa WERE IN COMPETITION in developing portal tech. How is that NOT important to Half Life? Aperature Science is just as much important to Half Life as Black Mesa is, not just because of the Borealis. They have a fucking history, for fucks sake.

Which are the loony tunes vibes given off by everything Aperture. The only thing that does not give off that vibe is when the Borealis is mentioned, which is in Half Life. Bringing characters over, as well as the turrets and whatever else, doesn't work.

So the reason is basically Aperture Science's wackiness won't mix well with the seriousness of Half Life? Lolwut? That's a reason to exclude a major plot point? The carpets won't match the drapes?

Aperture's creation was based around the need for another source to the Borealis, Portal served as a way to make Aperture more tangible and consequential, rather than just a name drop. The fact that they were in competition doesn't matter. Its called back story.

You know what else is backstory? The Combine invading Earth. I suppose that's also not important?

 

[Timmehexas]

-snip-

I spoiled the endings... Friday or Saturday, I think, I know about that x3

I guess... they might operate different in the Portal 'verse, but I've never thought those things would be good for running tests like most of what you see in Portal, you'd want someone competent around if you really wanted to get results. -shrug- Eh, we'll have to wait and see.

Also, on the topic of how important Aperture/Portal is to Half Life...

Aperture only came around when Portal came out, and Valve re-wrote some of the Half Life history to include it, and by extension, Portal, in the same universe/timeline. It's also been said Chell will have an important part in the overall Half Life universe- however, this was from an interview in '07, so it could have been scrapped by this point.

But remember this is GLaDOS we're talking about, her thinking death is apart of science is pretty logical. Robots just don't cut it.

 

[Woodsey]

Fucking hell, it is not that complicated:

APERTURE SCIENCE is presented as a loony bin, Cave Johnson, the turrets, Glados, etc. included. As such, the appearance of them in a game with a very serious tone is highly unlike, as they have all been presented as insane-in-a-funny-way. Why fucking bother having them there if they're going to be completely different?

The Borealis comes from Aperture, Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe, just like the Xen and the Combine are not relevant to Portal's, despite them existing in the same overall universe.

Spoiler

Because the technology that Aperture Science has developed, specifically portal technology, is very important to the Half Life series as a whole, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] since the 1) Xen was accessed from a portal, 2) the Combine invaded Earth through a portal and 3) the Combine cannot use portals within a dimension, only across dimensions, which is why Aperture Science is VERY IMPORTANT to the Half Life universe. The Portal series merely shows the other technology Aperture Science developed.

I would assume that Aperture itself was only invented because they needed another scientific research post for it to come from other than Black Mesa, if not its harder to keep it as a believable mystery as to what exactly is inside it if half of the people in Half Life 2 were bloody working at Black Mesa.

Spoiler

Portal technology is why they were in competition. Aperture Science developed intra-dimensional portals, and Black Mesa developed inter-dimensional portals, which allowed Xen and Combine access to Earth.

Look, you're not paying attention to any of the reasoning as to why there's not going to be the big cross over you're hoping for.

Which are...?

And the only way in which Aperture science is important is that they created the Borealis, this in itself does not make them key to Half Life, it makes the Borealis key.

Lolwut? Did you not read the link [MASSIVE F!!KING SPOILER ALERT] [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Teleportation] I gave you?

Spoiler

Aperture Science and Black Mesa WERE IN COMPETITION in developing portal tech. How is that NOT important to Half Life? Aperature Science is just as much important to Half Life as Black Mesa is, not just because of the Borealis. They have a fucking history, for fucks sake.

Which are the loony tunes vibes given off by everything Aperture. The only thing that does not give off that vibe is when the Borealis is mentioned, which is in Half Life. Bringing characters over, as well as the turrets and whatever else, doesn't work.

So the reason is basically Aperture Science's wackiness won't mix well with the seriousness of Half Life? Lolwut? That's a reason to exclude a major plot point? The carpets won't match the drapes?

Aperture's creation was based around the need for another source to the Borealis, Portal served as a way to make Aperture more tangible and consequential, rather than just a name drop. The fact that they were in competition doesn't matter. Its called back story.

You know what else is backstory? The Combine invading Earth. I suppose that's also not important?

The major plot point is what is on the Borealis. Not Aperture, or their competitions with Black Mesa - a competition which is mostly seen through a pane of glass whilst you watch a slideshow in Portal.

And in a sense, not really (although its certainly more relevant). They've invaded Earth, this is the situation you're in now, best you fucking get on with it. That's how the game's set themselves up, that's why no one explicitly tells you what's happened in between the two games.

You accuse me of not being able to separate Portal from Aperture, yet you cannot separate Aperture from the Borealis. They're not going to the Borealis to finally get one over on Aperture - a company which has been run into the ground for quite a while by the events of Half-Life 2 - they're going to stop the current threat from the Combine.

 

[razelas]

The major plot point is what is on the Borealis. Not Aperture, or their competitions with Black Mesa - a competition which is mostly seen through a pane of glass whilst you watch a slideshow in Portal.

And what is on the Borealis, anyway? Surely it can't be something Aperture Science created... right? It certainly can't be the result of the competition between Aperture Science and Black Mesa! Because then that would totally destroy your argument of why Aperture Science is not important! Lol!

Hahaha...

...

Oh shi-

And in a sense, not really (although its certainly more relevant). They've invaded Earth, this is the situation you're in now, best you fucking get on with it. That's how the game's set themselves up, that's why no one explicitly tells you what's happened in between the two games.

The Combine invasion isn't (really) important... because it wasn't in Half Life 2?

Please take a moment to realize how stupid that idea is.

You accuse me of not being able to separate Portal from Aperture, yet you cannot separate Aperture from the Borealis. They're not going to the Borealis to finally get one over on Aperture - a company which has been run into the ground for quite a while by the events of Half-Life 2 - they're going to stop the current threat from the Combine.

You accuse me of not being able to separate Portal from Aperture, yet you cannot separate Aperture from the Borealis.

yet you cannot separate Aperture from the Borealis.

separate Aperture from the Borealis.

Please logically explain how Aperture Science is supposed to be separated from the Borealis without the use of mercury poisoning.

And I said nowhere that Gordon Freeman and Alex are attempting to get into Aperture Science.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

I fucking loved the ending.

Spoiler

Can't say I was too broken up about the lack of Ep 3 info. The game was completely self contained, and its on another continent, so there would be no reason to link them apart from tangential information.

Shooting to the moon had to be one of the most insane things I've ever seen in a game.

The Morality cores were also fucking brilliant. I especially liked the macho core and the false information core.
"It is a fact that children will at one point in their life be abducted by the Dutch."

 

[maturin]

It's set hundreds of years in the future. Substantive references to the Half-Life storyline are of course impossible.

 

[th3xile]

snip

He's not saying that Aperture science isn't important. He's saying that bringing it into the game is unnecessary and wouldn't mix well with the tone of the game, because whatever is on the Borealis is what they're looking for, not anything else. The Borealis has something Aperture science-built and nothing else. They're getting that so the Combine can't. Why bring in anything else AS related when it would just be out of place. AS isn't an integral part of the storyline. It's just a convenient name that they created to give the Borealis a reason to exist. Also he isn't saying the Combine invasion isn't important. He never said that. He said that the Combine invasion isn't BACKSTORY. Because BACKSTORY by DEFINITION is something explained to you to add to the story. Which it isn't.

 

[razelas]

He's not saying that Aperture science isn't important.

Yes he did.

Aperture itself is not relevant to the Half Life universe

He's saying that bringing it into the game is unnecessary and wouldn't mix well with the tone of the game, because whatever is on the Borealis is what they're looking for, not anything else. The Borealis has something Aperture science-built and nothing else.[sup]Citation needed[/sup] They're getting that so the Combine can't. Why bring in anything else AS related when it would just be out of place.

I can make an equally compelling argument that a cross-over characterizes the unrestrained madness of Aperture Science which lead it to develop technology on-board the Borealis that is so terribly powerful as argued by Eli and Dr. Kliener.

AS isn't an integral part of the storyline. It's just a convenient name that they created to give the Borealis a reason to exist.[sup]Citation needed[/sup]

Also he isn't saying the Combine invasion isn't important. He never said that. He said that the Combine invasion isn't BACKSTORY.

He's certainly making the argument.

You know what else is backstory? The Combine invading Earth. I suppose that's also not important?

And in a sense, not really (although its certainly more relevant). They've invaded Earth, this is the situation you're in now, best you fucking get on with it.

Because BACKSTORY by DEFINITION is something explained to you to add to the story. Which it isn't.

Yes, because there's nothing explaining the Combine Invasion in Half Life 2, [http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Hour_War#Overview] right?

 

[Osaka117]

I will admit, I was expecting to see something Half Life related at the end when you go outside. For a brief second I was kinda expecting a civil protection soldier to pop up and whack me on the head and take me prisoner...but that was just for a brief second.

Other than that, I'm completely fine with the small number of Half Life references. If there were too many, it would start deluding the experience.

 

[Belgian_Waffles]

Am I the only one who felt completely bad for Wheatley and wished he didn't get screwed over in the end?

 

[Megacherv]

For everyone wondering, Chell is still at Aperture, the clouds are painted on and the sun is fake, remember those art pictures we were shown of the giant chicken farms? Yeah, that's right. Why wlese would they have a elevator to the "outside"?

Yeah, I as I mentioned before, the field did look far too small. Although I have a feeling that GLaDOS might not know that she's not outside, she's been fooled before...maybe Cave did make it into an AI, and Catherine was put into one to accompany him, Cave could still be in charge higher up