Poll: Post Post Modernism, what does it look like?

[Izakflashman]

So during my lecture today my lecturer asked what was post modernism. Being our first lecture this year, everyones pretty ridged. So I decided to pipe up, "Its What were in now." "Is it?" "No." Was my sincere answer. He laughed and said it was a very post modern answer. Which is quite funny. But anyhow. I think everyone who's aware of these things is getting tired of this post world war II self irony and in general nasty attitude about stuff. I like to think that we are moving away from post modernism now, although we don't have a name for it yet. (Or at least nothing catchy because philosophers seem to suck at coming up with catchy names.)
So whats your opinion on all this? Have we even left it yet? What will post post modernism look like? Optimistic I hope. How will art shape it? Music. Pop culture. Everything! Games!

 

[Hey Joe]

Post-Post Modernism = Hyperrealism + Neo Futurism

END O' THREAD

 

[turchenko]

if post-modernism involves WWII self-irony, i'd say we're deeper in that than we've ever been, possibly even more than right after WWII. with all the crap that's been going on in the world, wars and disasters and recessions, we have to take it with a shot of sarcasm or we'd all just roll over and lose faith in humanity

at least that's what i've noticed

 

[Pseudonym2]

"Of, relating to, or being an era after a modern one" or "of, relating to, or being any of various movements in reaction to modernism that are typically characterized by a return to traditional materials and forms (as in architecture) or by ironic self-reference and absurdity (as in literature)", or finally "of, relating to, or being a theory that involves a radical reappraisal of modern assumptions about culture, identity, history, or language"

I find it usually means being aware of what you're doing as you're doing it.

 

[Labyrinth]

I'd argue that we're still in the Post Modernist era as a dominant social force. We're still re-hashing old stuff, still using pastiche in absolutely everything. To be fair, there are alternative ideologies which remain in older movements, and they are still prominent in art and literature.

Most literature, popular at least, retains the classical narrative idea of introduction-complication-events-resolution style of thing with a fairly linear plot line. Intertextuality is used for the sake of greater understanding between texts, as with the advent of the internet it's possible to research just about any reference if one deems it necessary. Wikipedia also spurs that on, with such references being listed and explained by chronic insomniac 'pedians as they stroll their beloved conglomerate.

Post-modernism comes rooted in the idea that we are not a fixed identity. We can be destroyed, and destroy ourselves. This will become even more prevalent as the full effects of climate change are realised.

 

[Izakflashman]

I'd argue that we're still in the Post Modernist era as a dominant social force. We're still re-hashing old stuff, still using pastiche in absolutely everything. To be fair, there are alternative ideologies which remain in older movements, and they are still prominent in art and literature....


...Post-modernism comes rooted in the idea that we are not a fixed identity. We can be destroyed, and destroy ourselves. This will become even more prevalent as the full effects of climate change are realised.

I yea, definatly we are still dominated by post modern thought, its definatly not on the fast track down history lane for a while.

heh, were just along for the ride with climate change. Swapping our cars for tanglevine water powered cars now wouldn't save us from anything. Ha ha.

 

[Kevvers]

I dunno, I think Alan Moore says it best. This isn't an exact quote, by the way, more a summary: 'We've spent so long now deconstructing things, isn't it time we started constructing instead?' Which I guess means instead of shooting down the old ideas of romanticism and whatnot, we should instead try creating new ones. Which makes sense. You can only deconstruct an idea so many times. Eventually, you've got to build something where it once stood.

I think Nietzsche said/did the same in "Thus Spake Zarathustra". He built the Ubermensch. But wasn't that prepostmodernism?

From Wiki: "Nietzsche claimed the 'death' of God would eventually lead to the loss of any universal perspective on things, and along with it any coherent sense of objective truth.[41] Instead we would retain only our own multiple, diverse, and fluid perspectives. This view has acquired the name "perspectivism".
Alternatively, the death of God may lead beyond bare perspectivism to outright nihilism, the belief that nothing has any importance and that life lacks purpose. As Heidegger put the problem, "If God as the suprasensory ground and goal of all reality is dead, if the suprasensory world of the Ideas has suffered the loss of its obligatory and above it its vitalizing and upbuilding power, then nothing more remains to which man can cling and by which he can orient himself."[42] Developing this idea, Nietzsche wrote Thus Spoke Zarathustra, therein introducing the concept of a value-creating Übermensch. According to Lampert, "the death of God must be followed by a long twilight of piety and nihilism (II. 19; III. 8). [?] Zarathustra's gift of the superman is given to a mankind not aware of the problem to which the superman is the solution."[43]"

So.... can I haz Ubermensch?