Poll: Preference is Discrimination?
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The issue here is your wording.
If you honestly said: " I don't care much for female doctors i prefer male doctors"
I can understand why the girls may be upset.
If you actually said: "I am more comfortable being treated by my own sex"
Then the girls would be unjustified.
Either way if they went off on you they are wrong. I would have asked why, but that's me.
I prefer male doctors just because they are the same sex.
As long as you are just happier with Male doctors and don't actually think female doctors are bad or incapable of being doctors then your safe.
If you honestly said: " I don't care much for female doctors i prefer male doctors"
I can understand why the girls may be upset.
If you actually said: "I am more comfortable being treated by my own sex"
Then the girls would be unjustified.
Either way if they went off on you they are wrong. I would have asked why, but that's me.
I prefer male doctors just because they are the same sex.
As long as you are just happier with Male doctors and don't actually think female doctors are bad or incapable of being doctors then your safe.
I think my actual phrasing went something like this (after being asked how it was) "It was okay, but the doctor I had was a bit pushy, and I don't really like being treated by women doctors that much" To me the sentence was part "the doctor was pushy" and she was, and I've had some damn pushy male doctors over the years too! and the second part was "I don't like being treated".Kagim said:
I didn't mean it as "women can't be doctors" just that I don't like being treated by them, as it in it's less comfortable then a male doctor, I guess my phrasing could of used some work, but it was honestly one of those throw away sentences you use in casual conversation, not something I'd given a great deal of thought.
I guess it's how I use words, to me using the phrase "don't like" or "don't care for" is very mild, like "I don't really like pepsi, but it's okay enough to drink if you haven't got a coke"
I didn't kick up a fuss about getting a women doctor and I honestly think she did a good a job as anyone could have, I just didn't really care for being poked a prodded by a strange woman, especially when I had to strip down could she could make sure the infection in my leg wasn't spreading "up", god that was uncomfortable.
Could also be that growing up the family doctors we had were all older men who moved to our town for the seaside life, so I'm just much more use to being ordered around and poked and prodded by cranky older dudes. So like the dude up there that said he grew up with a female GP, so he is more comfortable with women doctors then male ones.
Yeah, that is what's referred to as 'positive discrimination' and is still discrimination. It's generally deemed to be better for obvious reasons, but some positive discrimination can lead to trouble, like when police forces, for example, aim to hire more minorities, as there's 'not enough' in the forcetkioz said:
Not really. Preference would mean that you expeirenced both and made a decision on what you want.
Discrimination would mean that you automatically assume that all of race x are the same. In this case, you just prefer a male doctor because you're more comfortable around them. Nothing wrong with that. Although I can easily see why those people cried Sexist.
Discrimination would mean that you automatically assume that all of race x are the same. In this case, you just prefer a male doctor because you're more comfortable around them. Nothing wrong with that. Although I can easily see why those people cried Sexist.
Preferences become discrimination the second someone tries to shove their preferences down other people's throats.
Honestly, I think having a preference for a gender of Doctor is not necessarily bigotry. If you said - I don't think women Doctors are as well trained or women Doctors are less able by virtue of their gender alone then you would be bigoted. But I think that comfort with a Doctor is a fair thing to want and if for whatever reason you are not comfortable being touched by women you don't know then I would not consider you a bigot.
I'm female and while I would be fine with a male Doctor if I broke my wrist, I would prefer a woman Doctor if I was required to remove any clothing. I certainly would not tolerate a male gynaecologist - I actually had a male gynaecological consultant once and on hearing what he had to say on a personal issue it was all I could do not to firmly instruct him on why he was so totally full of shit (why yes, yes it would matter if I had a permanent thread hanging out of my minge....)
I'm female and while I would be fine with a male Doctor if I broke my wrist, I would prefer a woman Doctor if I was required to remove any clothing. I certainly would not tolerate a male gynaecologist - I actually had a male gynaecological consultant once and on hearing what he had to say on a personal issue it was all I could do not to firmly instruct him on why he was so totally full of shit (why yes, yes it would matter if I had a permanent thread hanging out of my minge....)
Indeedy it is-y....JanatUrlich said:
I never got that whole you shouldn't treat someone differently from you if their different... Surely them being different means that they should be treated differently...
And I don't mean like all blacks should be in shackles or bull shit like that, I mean genuine difference. Like a criminal is treated differently from me because he broke a law.
So you should have the preference of a male doctor. Cos they get Guy pain. Even if ifs something any sex understands, then its just somehow nicer to be treated by someone of your own gender...
Umm shit... I'm not sure if that made any sense at all. Ahhh who cares. I'll come back and edit it to make sense when I'm not fussing over an essay at the same time.
Personally I prefer female doctors over males, (being a male myself) but thats only because I've been surrounded by dudes all my life and i feel rather uncomfortable telling a male about my health. Male Pride thing or something such people tell me.
But mostly I base my choice of doctor on competancy, in my local surgery theres 3 good male and 1 good female.
But mostly I base my choice of doctor on competancy, in my local surgery theres 3 good male and 1 good female.
Not as discriminatory as this mind you
An Australian publisher has had to pulp and reprint a cook-book after one recipe listed "salt and freshly ground black people" instead of black pepper.
Penguin Group Australia had to reprint 7,000 copies of Pasta Bible last week, the Sydney Morning Herald has reported.
Blatantly copy/pasted from BBC News website
An Australian publisher has had to pulp and reprint a cook-book after one recipe listed "salt and freshly ground black people" instead of black pepper.
Penguin Group Australia had to reprint 7,000 copies of Pasta Bible last week, the Sydney Morning Herald has reported.
Blatantly copy/pasted from BBC News website
No, that's just positive discrimination. Which is good in instances such as your example, but not good in the case of all women shortlists in politics or whatever.tkioz said:
It's still a form of discrimination dude.
Haha dude, I'm a female and I've had male and female doctors check my down there. I wasn't bothered in the slightest by any of it.generic gamer said:
And the whole 'empathy' thing? Fuck off! They're doctors and they're all taught in the same way. They're not gotten recognise a symptom because 'yeah dude, I've totally been there before'. They're gonna recognise it if it's a certified symptom no matter what gender they are.
How you feel the most comfortable is no one elses buisness. It was not a personal jibe at the doctors skill beacuse she is a woman, it was how you felt most at ease. Did you tell these women that your opinion was not based on your guess at her skill as a doctor dependant on her gender but instead on simply how you felt. Tell them you would follow her medical advice in an instance but in actual hands on treatment a male doctor was far better for you.tkioz said:
I don't think that's wrong, particularly if you look at history.
I remember reading a nonfiction story about a woman who had a potentially lethal condition, but the only ones qualified to treat it were male. She died, rather then have a man who was not her husband touch her body.
And really, I'd have to much protest if a male doctor came in to give me a Well Woman exam, or something similar. I don't like having those with female doctors, so I'm certainly not going to let a man do it.
Discrimination is a fact of life. Male and female restrooms are good examples of socially acceptable discrimination.
It's whether you discriminate in a malicious manner, which of course, you didn't.
I remember reading a nonfiction story about a woman who had a potentially lethal condition, but the only ones qualified to treat it were male. She died, rather then have a man who was not her husband touch her body.
And really, I'd have to much protest if a male doctor came in to give me a Well Woman exam, or something similar. I don't like having those with female doctors, so I'm certainly not going to let a man do it.
Discrimination is a fact of life. Male and female restrooms are good examples of socially acceptable discrimination.
It's whether you discriminate in a malicious manner, which of course, you didn't.
Dont be silly everyone is the same, the politically correct brigade said so. There is no difference between anyone biologically or otherwise. They even look the same, the inside of this paper bag makes them look the same anyway, the brigade gave it to me because it was hard to see the sameness in everyone.comadorcrack said:
People are different, they deserve different treatment depending on who they are.
Different does not = better
different does not = worse
Imagine i sprain my ankle, its pretty bad but i can walk fairly well, after a term of treatment for it. I take a bus. A man in his prime and perfectly healthy comes up to me and asks for my seat. I point out my injured foot and decline, it would be uncomfortable to stand for a long period of time. An old woman comes up to me, she has great difficulty walking. She asks for my seat. I accept as she is different and as such the situation has to logically be re assessed with different deciding factors. Two different people asked the same question. Am i a bigot for treating one differently? Am i? Am i sexist for giving her the seat because she is a woman and the other person was a man, while the decision i made was not based on their gender? Both askers are now in the same level of comfort. They recieved DIFFERENT treatment. Both ended up the same.
Heres another better example. Imagine i work at a chip shop. I serve english people day in day out when a tourist comes in. He doesnt speak very good english, his accent is heavy and i hfind it hard to communicate with him. He would rather talk to another worker there who happens to speak his native tongue and understands him perfectly, i accept, everyone is happier.
Is he a biggot for asking for a different worker?
It's perfectly fine. Those women jumped to conclusions. I mean they called you a racist I mean really? feminism has turned people in to bigots because they force their opinion onto people and have no respect or care for the persons feelings on the matter.