Poll: PS4 decisively beating Xbone in polls. Will Sony throw away their winning hand?

[Pandabearparade]

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

As things stand right now all Sony has to do to win the next console war is learn from the hatred the xbone has roused and not repeat Microsoft's mistakes. Were they planning to do the same things? Maybe. Now they can see firsthand what sort of reaction that will get if they do, and what sort of reward they could get if they don't (Sony stock shot up when the xbone was announced).

In short, all they have to do is shut the fuck up and avoid doing anything completely retarded.

Can they manage it?

 

[Pandabearparade]

I might even have the balls to say that the Wii U may have a chance at at least equaling the sales of the Xbone, maybe.

I might buy a Wii U when the price drops and some games come out for it. Never buying the xbone.

 

[krazykidd]

Well , they could fuck it up with the price . I could see people not buying if it costs too much . Which would of course benefit the wiiU even more than what microsoft did . So i'm betting all my chips on the WiiU for this one . Because knowing sony , the console isn't gonna sell for less than 499$ .

 

[J Tyran]

Partially, Sony have turned things around a lot. The features and services they have now are much better than earlier this generation, still I think Sony will fuck something up. They always manage to somehow, it would be hard to match the Xbone level of fuck up but they will try.

Either way and whatever happens I will be sitting the early part of this generation out and stick with the PC, if the console fuck ups are tolerable and they release games I am interested in then I will think about it.

 

[ohnoitsabear]

The big thing that both Sony and Microsoft need to deliver on is games. Nintendo utterly failed to do this so far with the WiiU, and they have been suffering for it. And I don't think either the PS4 or Xbone have enough games announced to justify a purchase for most people.

The other big thing both Sony and Microsoft need to do is not price themselves out of the competition. I think they should both aim for a price of around $350, with a maximum of $400. And if there's more than a $50 difference, the cheaper console will have an enormous advantage.

Now, the thing is, this is pretty much all Sony has to do to ensure at least a moderately successful console. Microsoft, on the other hand, needs to do so much more. For starters, not only did Sony get a bunch of good PR following their announcement, but Microsoft needs to recover from the huge amount of negative PR from the Xbone announcement. Additionally, I'm sure a lot of the crap that Microsoft has been pulling with the 360 is putting a lot of people off from getting another Microsoft console, especially if Sony can make it clear that they don't have to put up with any of it on the PS4. And let's not even get into the whole used games and DRM fiasco.

 

[Zeh Don]

It's amazing how smart people and companies can be when they're desperate, and how dumb those some people and companies can be when they're on top of the world.

Sony, for those not interested in the business world, has had a rough past few years. It needs the Playstation 4 to come out strong, and pull them ahead. It will do whatever the safest, surest thing is to ensure that success. Right now, giving gamers what they want is the safest play.

In contrast, when launching the Playstation 3, Sony's stock was riding high and it was posting nearly record profits thanks to the run away success of the Playstation 2 - still the highest selling home console of all time. This success lead to insane hubris at Sony, resulting in them labeling the Playstation 3 as an "entertainment device" instead of a games machine. It was over-priced, had basically no games, and it completely failed at launch. It missed every projection, and then every revised projection, and sent Sony into damage control over-ride. They still haven't fully recovered.

Microsoft are repeating Sony's mistakes. All of them. Microsoft - fresh of the success of the Xbox 360 - think they've found the recipe for lightning in a bottle. Just like Sony did. They think they can sell their machine, regardless of the games, because their brand is strong. Just like Sony did. They believe gamers will buy it regardless. Just like Sony did. They've added a few new ones, though. Always Online DRM and anti-consumer used game practices are built into the box. Even Sony didn't make that kind of blunder.

Sony, however, cannot afford such mistakes, so it's doing the only thing it can do: make the best damn games machine it can make, get the best damn games they can on it as fast as possible, and pray to Jesus Christ that it sells.
I believe history is going to repeat itself, and we've got front row seats.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Well , they could fuck it up with the price . I could see people not buying if it costs too much . Which would of course benefit the wiiU even more than what microsoft did . So i'm betting all my chips on the WiiU for this one . Because knowing sony , the console isn't gonna sell for less than 499$ .

Nah, I disagree with that. Sony learned from their mistake with the previous console generation when they tried to sell the PS3 for $600 and it sold abysmally. Even if they end up taking a hit on the hardware they can make that ground up in game sales if their starting line-up is strong enough, so hopefully they'll bank on that and release the console for less than $400, or at the very least have some kind of affordable bundle deals.

Then again, a good line-up of launch titles has never been Sony's forte, so that could be a problem, especially considering Microsoft is inevitably going to have some of their flagship titles like Halo and Gears of War at launch.

 

[mysecondlife]

I hope they don't. I've warmed up to them after all the right moves they've made in recent years.

I hope it doesn't bend its ass over to publishers

 

[Saulkar]

If they pull this off and single-handedly win the console generation... I will not feel so bad. I might even purchase a PS4 for the right price and features.

 

[Yopaz]

The big thing that both Sony and Microsoft need to deliver on is games. Nintendo utterly failed to do this so far with the WiiU, and they have been suffering for it. And I don't think either the PS4 or Xbone have enough games announced to justify a purchase for most people.

The Wii U has plenty of GAMES and is doing GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!! Nah, I'm not being serious here.

Like this guy said. It's really too soon to say which video game system will come out on top when we don't know enough about the games coming for them or any of the prices. Microsoft may offer us a downright terrible system, but let the rage over the first announcement pass, make the PS4 cost $100 more than the Box, have a few decent launch titles and all of a sudden Microsoft got a head start over Sony.

We are cheering over the PS4 now and we are moaning over how utterly terrible the piece of crap we now call Xbone is, but it's not too long ago that we were complaining about the PS4 either. I'll probably get a PS4 down the line, not because of my hatred for the other options (I already have a great gaming PC and a Wii U + the 3 current gen consoles), but because Sony usually have more support for JRPGs and especially the Tales of series. The moment Tales of Whatevernewnametheypick is announced for a European release on the PS4 is the moment I will add the PS4 to my wishlist.

 

[Something Amyss]

Probably. Microsoft and Sony spent the entire gen in a race to the bottom. I think in that instance, Microsoft "Won," but not by so much that Sony couldn't out-fuck-up them this round. I'm calling this one as "anybody's game" right now.

 

[Maximum Bert]

It is possible but they would have to work hard to do so. Microsoft has handed them an early advantage but the consoles arent even released yet so the battle hasnt even started but as things stand now Sony has to do a lot less than Microsoft.

Also I believe Sony and Nintendo have learned from their mistakes and realise that they need to target gamers with games as thats their sustaining market Sony will not abandon the peripheral crowd as I would imagine the machine will still play Blu-ray do streaming of TV and internet etc its just not their focus these are just nice extras whereas with Xbone its TV first then games.

Dont forget that Microsoft have a stronghold in America now so thats where their focus is in Japan they have no chance while in Europe I also think they will lose out hugely thanks to their choices. Its still possible for them to pull through and make people swallow their bullshit if they provide solid games for me it wont be enough but if Sony have no games and the WiiU continues its bafflingly dry run on games Xbone could come out ok and the world will be a worse place for it.

Now if you`ll excuse me I am going to watch TV, a film, listen to music ,Skype someone,check my non existant fantasy football team and play a game all at the same time. I really wish there was a device that made this easier.

Price would be the biggest factor in the fuck up Microsoft can still afford to piss it down the drain whereas Nintendo and Sony are not in the same position, basically I would say if Sony goes for it they will be ok if they play too conservatively they could mess it all up at the start again like they did with the PS3. Game wise the 360 was far superior to the PS3 for quite a while I think it was only about 3 years ago that I started playing more on the PS3 than the 360.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

I think they'll come out tied in the end. Digital Rights Management is a pressing concern for most publishers and dvelopers, the PS4 already has its own suite of pseudo-justifiable social offerings... Really, its only real advantage over the Xbone is that Sony's evangelists aren't trying to bite off more than they can chew. That's about it. It's no guarantee that their touted "Share" feature will work on launch day, and we still don't know how they want to handle DRM to begin with.

There's still lots of ground for something shitty to happen or for some horrible decision to irremediably stain Somy's presentation.

 

[Jingle Fett]

It's amazing how smart people and companies can be when they're desperate, and how dumb those some people and companies can be when they're on top of the world.

Sony, for those not interested in the business world, has had a rough past few years. It needs the Playstation 4 to come out strong, and pull them ahead. It will do whatever the safest, surest thing is to ensure that success. Right now, giving gamers what they want is the safest play.

In contrast, when launching the Playstation 3, Sony's stock was riding high and it was posting nearly record profits thanks to the run away success of the Playstation 2 - still the highest selling home console of all time. This success lead to insane hubris at Sony, resulting in them labeling the Playstation 3 as an "entertainment device" instead of a games machine. It was over-priced, had basically no games, and it completely failed at launch. It missed every projection, and then every revised projection, and sent Sony into damage control over-ride. They still haven't fully recovered.

Microsoft are repeating Sony's mistakes. All of them. Microsoft - fresh of the success of the Xbox 360 - think they've found the recipe for lightning in a bottle. Just like Sony did. They think they can sell their machine, regardless of the games, because their brand is strong. Just like Sony did. They believe gamers will buy it regardless. Just like Sony did. They've added a few new ones, though. Always Online DRM and anti-consumer used game practices are built into the box. Even Sony didn't make that kind of blunder.

Sony, however, cannot afford such mistakes, so it's doing the only thing it can do: make the best damn games machine it can make, get the best damn games they can on it as fast as possible, and pray to Jesus Christ that it sells.
I believe history is going to repeat itself, and we've got front row seats.

Very well said, that's exactly what we're seeing here, agree completely. Microsoft has the potential to bomb even harder though I think, because of how much MS has invested in the Xbox One. If the XB1 doesn't sell, it's not just the hardware costs they don't make back, it's also the cost of all those servers they added, just sitting there. Not to mention there's also all that kinect tech adding to the cost of the console. The WiiU's costs break even with the purchase of just a single game per console (which realistically everyone will do); I'm really curious how much money per console MS has to spend...

I think Sony won't make any major mistakes, at least not for now. They're in too good of a spot, they're desperate, but most importantly they've owned up to their mistakes and are doing their absolute best to improve. Mark Cerny has the right idea too and so far he's been doing a spectacular job as the PS4's lead architect, I just don't see him screwing up any time soon. Plus him being a game developer too means he's not just a random suit, he actually knows what he's doing. The fact that Sony made the decision to put him in charge makes me really optimistic about their new approach...

 

[Entitled]

I think that all systems will lose in general, I don't care very much for which platform will be king of the ashes.

In this generation, growth came mainly from the Wii finding a new, non-gamer audience. If the Wii U won't take that back on it's own, will they just suddenly migrate over to PS3-But-With-More-Shiny-Graphics?

And if Microsft drops the ball, does that mean that the PS4 will "take over it's territory" and double it's sales, or since it was thes same peple buying both in this gen, it will just halve overall console sales again?

So far, the consoe industry has been in a constant growth. Mercifully, even it's only crash had happened between two generations. But in this generation, all the growth was based on two things that don't seem to be coming back. Will anything replace it next time? and if not, how will investors react to a finally shrinking console market?

 

[Haakmed]

Being a PC gamer this really doesn't bother me to much. However Microsoft flopped that reveal badly. Did not show anything the hardcore gamer really needs in a console. I do not think PS4 did any better with their reveal because to be fair they really didn't say much at all either. But so far if I had to make a choice PS4 is catered more to what I would want as a gamer. Right now I would have to say advantage of gaming is in PC's court right now as both Xbone and PS4 have not shown me why I should give them money for features I don't want.

I have no interest in the NFL deal. I have a cable box and don't need that running through my GAMING console. I do not need to be punished for buying used games if the mood strikes me that I want something cheap. I do not have an interest to pay fees on things that are already insanely expensive when a lot of the products are short, not made well, or boring.

 

[MagunBFP]

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

As things stand right now all Sony has to do to win the next console war is learn from the hatred the xbone has roused and not repeat Microsoft's mistakes. Were they planning to do the same things? Maybe. Now they can see firsthand what sort of reaction that will get if they do, and what sort of reward they could get if they don't (Sony stock shot up when the xbone was announced).

In short, all they have to do is shut the fuck up and avoid doing anything completely retarded.

Can they manage it?

You do realise that the decisive victory that you're claiming is based on... lets say less then 1% of the people who knew about this tweetbattle? And of those who did tweet one way or the other that not all of them are going to buy a next gen console anywhere near the launch.

Also gotta love how you assume the only thing that affected the Sony stock was the MS announcement... did you also know that it also dropped the next day? Not back to the same level but by a third of what it rose.

That being said as far as gamers are concerned Sony would have to work pretty hard to generate the same level of rage that MS has, so its probably safe to say that Sony will be the immediate winner for gamers... though in the non-gaming community MS is pretty much in a race by itself (the PS4 is really just an overpriced Blu-ray and music player if you don't play games) so the Xbox One wins hands down.

 

[Rack]

It could happen, but I don't see it. I'm not sure where people think there's a pattern of Sony messing up is though.

PS1. Massive Success
PS2. Massive Success
PS3. Blunder

Okay their handhelds have always been a bit shaky but they've done better than anyone who isn't Nintendo (unless you count Apple).