Poll: Purchasing a Retro RPG
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Actually, abandonware is almost the same as piracy. It's piracy with a lame excuse.Therumancer said:
Arcanum is a great game, and arguably one of the best rpg's ever. However, it can be kinda hard to get into, which is why I'm kinda reluctant to mention it to much. On a side note, it does have the best in-game soundtrack I ever heard.generic gamer said:actually, someone before mentioned it but really do get a copy of arcanum. the name says it all:
ARCANUM: of steamworks and magick obscura
brilliant game, hilarious "perks" at the start and brilliant dialogue all the way through, plus steampunk
I do not see Abandonware as piracy as most of those games are not only ancient but not produced anymore, and require an act of congress to run in most cases.Quistnix said:Actually, abandonware is almost the same as piracy. It's piracy with a lame excuse.Therumancer said:
Arcanum is a great game, and arguably one of the best rpg's ever. However, it can be kinda hard to get into, which is why I'm kinda reluctant to mention it to much. On a side note, it does have the best in-game soundtrack I ever heard.generic gamer said:actually, someone before mentioned it but really do get a copy of arcanum. the name says it all:
ARCANUM: of steamworks and magick obscura
brilliant game, hilarious "perks" at the start and brilliant dialogue all the way through, plus steampunk
Otherwise I agree with Arcanum, sadly Troika is no longer around, they had the potential to be the best RPG developer ever.
Arcanum really shone for me when it let me bypass locked doors by casting disintergrate on them. Really the only game that ever let me do that.
Oooh, I never tried disintegrating doors, I always play a techie. Still, blowing them up is a lot of fun too.Therumancer said:I do not see Abandonware as piracy as most of those games are not only ancient but not produced anymore, and require an act of congress to run in most cases.Quistnix said:Actually, abandonware is almost the same as piracy. It's piracy with a lame excuse.Therumancer said:
Arcanum is a great game, and arguably one of the best rpg's ever. However, it can be kinda hard to get into, which is why I'm kinda reluctant to mention it to much. On a side note, it does have the best in-game soundtrack I ever heard.generic gamer said:actually, someone before mentioned it but really do get a copy of arcanum. the name says it all:
ARCANUM: of steamworks and magick obscura
brilliant game, hilarious "perks" at the start and brilliant dialogue all the way through, plus steampunk
Otherwise I agree with Arcanum, sadly Troika is no longer around, they had the potential to be the best RPG developer ever.
Arcanum really shone for me when it let me bypass locked doors by casting disintergrate on them. Really the only game that ever let me do that.
Now you made me reinstall the game for the nth time in order to play a dark magic dude (or gal). My social life is going to hate you for this
As far as I'm concerned Troika is the best RPG developer ever, together with the Black Isle/Interplay combo (for some reason those two companies are one in my mind, I'm not entirely sure how they were linked). Just having made Bloodlines and Arcanum, combined with the amount of potential that was leaking out of the studio all the time, is good enough a qualification for that title. Maybe Chris Avellone just should do the right thing and get the Troika dudes back together as a division of Obsidian. It's not like they're not doing very well right now, getting the rights to a new Fallout game and all.
I chose 'other', since I'm not very familiar with Western PC RPGs, other than Eschalon, and while it is a very retro game, it is technically brand new. Still, it's certainly a game worth checking out - it does have that retro look and feel, without having to worry about whether it's too old to work on your computer.
And while I'm at it, I'll also recommend Secret of Evermore, Soul Blazer, Terranigma, and Illusion of Gaia, simply because they are awesome.
And while I'm at it, I'll also recommend Secret of Evermore, Soul Blazer, Terranigma, and Illusion of Gaia, simply because they are awesome.
Seconded, I love it to bits. Well I don't play it thát much anymore, I screwed up my save game by saving right in front of a fight I can't win...*sigh*generic gamer said:actually, someone before mentioned it but really do get a copy of arcanum. the name says it all:
ARCANUM: of steamworks and magick obscura
brilliant game, hilarious "perks" at the start and brilliant dialogue all the way through, plus steampunk
Or you can just throw dynamite at it, makes for a pretty grand entrance as wellTherumancer said:Arcanum really shone for me when it let me bypass locked doors by casting disintergrate on them. Really the only game that ever let me do that.
As others have said I would recommend Arcanum, Baldur's Gate 1+2, and Fallout 1+2.
In that order.
Arcanum is really awesome because there are no other games that I know of where I can pretend to be Indiana Jones shooting a guy after he spends a minute showing off with a sword.
In that order.
Arcanum is really awesome because there are no other games that I know of where I can pretend to be Indiana Jones shooting a guy after he spends a minute showing off with a sword.
There are some bloody good games in that list and you could do a lot worse than just close your eyes and pick one on pure luck. If i was going to get one i would get Baldurs Gate; It is a truly excellent game in any way you wish to pick (except if you are a graphics whore i suppose).
The Fallout games are also magnificent. Don't allow the turn based thing to fool you as it is a very good system which allows for some dramatic battle interspersed with some very amusing dialogue. It has also dated a little bit but i would give it a shot and run with it for while as i am sure you will enjoy it.
If i were you though, i would buy both Baldurs Gate 1 + 2 and Fallout 1 + 2. They won't be that expensive and it will certainly keep you going for a while. I got them years ago and still give them a playthrough once in a while.
The Fallout games are also magnificent. Don't allow the turn based thing to fool you as it is a very good system which allows for some dramatic battle interspersed with some very amusing dialogue. It has also dated a little bit but i would give it a shot and run with it for while as i am sure you will enjoy it.
If i were you though, i would buy both Baldurs Gate 1 + 2 and Fallout 1 + 2. They won't be that expensive and it will certainly keep you going for a while. I got them years ago and still give them a playthrough once in a while.
I voted Torment, but upon reflection, it may have not been the best choice. Not that it is a bad game or anything, but not everyone wants to read all the text in that game. However, if you love to read pages and pages of very enjoyable and engaging dialogue, Torment will be the best choice. I don't think there will be another game like it, and it really IS an interactive book. It certainly is my favorite of the list.
I've probably spent the most time playing Diablo 2 at this point, but it is only mindless fun. Hardly a bad game, but it offers NO immersion at all.
Baldur's Gate series is great, but the walking is just too slow for me. I tried picking it up again once years ago after having a long romp through Morrowind, and I couldn't get out of Candlekeep. It's a shame, because it is a great game. I had made it pretty far the first few times I played it.
I've probably spent the most time playing Diablo 2 at this point, but it is only mindless fun. Hardly a bad game, but it offers NO immersion at all.
Baldur's Gate series is great, but the walking is just too slow for me. I tried picking it up again once years ago after having a long romp through Morrowind, and I couldn't get out of Candlekeep. It's a shame, because it is a great game. I had made it pretty far the first few times I played it.
That's a bit harsh. I have heard the games are great. Purchased them. Couldn't play. The the non-scalable graphics of that era don't translate well to 22" 1680x1050 display. Thanks for the info, I will look for the patch. I really have wanted to try the games.GothmogII said:
Fresh from the MMO scene I found a bunch of these at a car-boot sale going cheap, so I thought why not? I loaded up Icewind Dale and immediately was shocked to find the combat required a bit more thought than any MMO. After a while I got to grips with the combat and am thoroughly enjoying it.
Baldur's Gate 1+2, without hesitation.
Also Fallout 1+2.
Planescape Torment would also be a good idea.
In that order.
Diablo 1+2 and Icewind Dale 1+2 are not really RPG's as there is no character developement, and you don't really have a choice in how the world should see your character(s). It's all go here kill these. Of course unlike the Diablos, the Icewind Dales do have options when you talk to people, but it is not roleplaying as such as it really doesn't have any great impact, how you talk to people, except you might or might not get a guy to move from his weapon rack so you can steal his shield. SO, if you want RPG's. Take one of the options in my first 3 lines.
Edit: also, the combat is pretty much all Icewind Dale 1+2 is about, but it's pretty much the same as the Baldur's Gate games, so Icewind Dale 1+2 is Baldur's Gate 1+2 without roleplay.
Also Fallout 1+2.
Planescape Torment would also be a good idea.
In that order.
Diablo 1+2 and Icewind Dale 1+2 are not really RPG's as there is no character developement, and you don't really have a choice in how the world should see your character(s). It's all go here kill these. Of course unlike the Diablos, the Icewind Dales do have options when you talk to people, but it is not roleplaying as such as it really doesn't have any great impact, how you talk to people, except you might or might not get a guy to move from his weapon rack so you can steal his shield. SO, if you want RPG's. Take one of the options in my first 3 lines.
Edit: also, the combat is pretty much all Icewind Dale 1+2 is about, but it's pretty much the same as the Baldur's Gate games, so Icewind Dale 1+2 is Baldur's Gate 1+2 without roleplay.
On that list? Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate doesn't have the best story (That would be Planescape: Torment) nor does it have the most freedom (That would be Fallout), it isn't the fastest and most addictive (Diablo) and it doesn't have the most tactical combat (Icewind Dale has some excellent fights!).
No. It isn't master of any of those... what it is however is the best blend of all of the above into a creamy warm gooey rpg deliciousness that appeals to your every sense and delights you in ways you thought no game could. Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn especially is like the culmination of everything good in the rpg genre all crammed into one glorious package. And while it isn't the *master* of any one area, it does more than well enough to not be far behind those masters.
Indeed, Baldur's Gate 2 is my ultimate rpg. The pinnacle of the genre towards which all other rpg's are compared to. Others may excel in their own areas, but Baldur's Gate 2 is the only rpg to do everything so perfectly.
Also the mod community for Baldur's Gate is still quite active and there are mods being released even today of the highest quality. I'd be more than happy to point out a few excellent ones.
Baldur's Gate doesn't have the best story (That would be Planescape: Torment) nor does it have the most freedom (That would be Fallout), it isn't the fastest and most addictive (Diablo) and it doesn't have the most tactical combat (Icewind Dale has some excellent fights!).
No. It isn't master of any of those... what it is however is the best blend of all of the above into a creamy warm gooey rpg deliciousness that appeals to your every sense and delights you in ways you thought no game could. Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn especially is like the culmination of everything good in the rpg genre all crammed into one glorious package. And while it isn't the *master* of any one area, it does more than well enough to not be far behind those masters.
Indeed, Baldur's Gate 2 is my ultimate rpg. The pinnacle of the genre towards which all other rpg's are compared to. Others may excel in their own areas, but Baldur's Gate 2 is the only rpg to do everything so perfectly.
Also the mod community for Baldur's Gate is still quite active and there are mods being released even today of the highest quality. I'd be more than happy to point out a few excellent ones.
