It's a cultural thing. Raising the drinking age won't do shit to combat binge drinking. It's not just kids that binge drink. Everyone binge drinks here, everyone.
Btw, it's fun.
Btw, it's fun.
Poll: Raising the drinking age
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the legal drinking age has little to do with the age people start drinking.
in australia when you turn 18 your an adult , you can vote etc, you are responsible for your own drinking. raising the legal age for drinking is silly.
so people are are allowed to vote and control the countries direction but people are so irresponsible they the legal system and police have to stop them from drinking.
it just seems that at 18 you should be responsible enough to control your self and if your not then it shouldnt be up to other to fix it. if you stuff up your getting a fine, jail time or coffin time.
in australia when you turn 18 your an adult , you can vote etc, you are responsible for your own drinking. raising the legal age for drinking is silly.
so people are are allowed to vote and control the countries direction but people are so irresponsible they the legal system and police have to stop them from drinking.
it just seems that at 18 you should be responsible enough to control your self and if your not then it shouldnt be up to other to fix it. if you stuff up your getting a fine, jail time or coffin time.
since i turned 21, i actually started drinking significantly less. its not like your more mature when your 21, your just as stupid. the only difference is that your slightly closer to death. a kid doesnt drink his whole life and then goes out on his 21st birthday, hes gonna do some stupid shit, the same stupid shit he would have done if he got drunk the first time when he was 16 (actually probably more stupid shit because, presumably, hes not living at home when hes 21).
that would really suck though, if the day you turn legal age, they raise the drinking age
that would really suck though, if the day you turn legal age, they raise the drinking age
Arent there more Alcoholics (per capita) in America, Drinking age 21, than anywhere else, drinking age below 21 (as far as I know) ? I think the drinking age should be 18 (or even lower). dont get me wrong I have never had a single drop of alcohol in my life and do you know why? because my parents educated me about it and didnt make it some forbidden fruit they told me if I want to drink its my choice and I just need to be safe and I feel if you give most kids the same approach they can be responsible as well.
While it's true if you easily can drink if you want to drink when you're underage, it comes with a caveat: you're pretty much stuck with the crap. I like beer. I didn't like beer two years ago, when I was 21. What was the change? I tried craft beer (it was a Dogfish Head) for the first time. It put a smile on my face and I called up my friend who had been trying to help me find one I like for a long while and exlaimed, "I FOUND ONE!!!"
I didn't even know craft beer existed until I was 21. Before that, my experience with beer were all Bud Nasties and the like.
Maybe this is just my experience, those of you who are underage and drink or who aren't underage anymore but did drink when you were: what were you drinking?
I didn't even know craft beer existed until I was 21. Before that, my experience with beer were all Bud Nasties and the like.
Maybe this is just my experience, those of you who are underage and drink or who aren't underage anymore but did drink when you were: what were you drinking?
Pointless and ineffectual.
The only way to reduce binge drinking is to reduce the importance of alcohol and getting drunk in our society. People seem to think it's the only way to have fun. I never had the interest to drink when I was under 18, and I don't do it often now that I can legally buy it. I still drink occasionally, but I don't drink just to get hammered.
Basically, people's attitude towards alcohol needs to change. I have no how to do that, but that is what needs to happen. You can ban advertising, raise prices and restrict drinking, but none of those laws do anything. I sometimes wonder if the Government wants to stop problem drinking, gambling, dangerous driving etc because they only ever pass these stupid token laws that don't affect any social change whatsoever. Of course, why would they? Drinking, smoking and gambling make the Government a lot of money in taxes, and bad drivers get fines which increases their revenue even more.
So, in summary, first we need to change the way the Government handles the issue, then change the way society thinks about alcohol.
The only way to reduce binge drinking is to reduce the importance of alcohol and getting drunk in our society. People seem to think it's the only way to have fun. I never had the interest to drink when I was under 18, and I don't do it often now that I can legally buy it. I still drink occasionally, but I don't drink just to get hammered.
Basically, people's attitude towards alcohol needs to change. I have no how to do that, but that is what needs to happen. You can ban advertising, raise prices and restrict drinking, but none of those laws do anything. I sometimes wonder if the Government wants to stop problem drinking, gambling, dangerous driving etc because they only ever pass these stupid token laws that don't affect any social change whatsoever. Of course, why would they? Drinking, smoking and gambling make the Government a lot of money in taxes, and bad drivers get fines which increases their revenue even more.
So, in summary, first we need to change the way the Government handles the issue, then change the way society thinks about alcohol.
Good way to battle this is making underage drinking completely make it illegal and punishable with a fine and/or report to social workers.
Also make illegal to give minor alcohol, or let minor to keep alcohol in hes possession.
And if minor gets caught in public under the effect of alcohol he is to be fined and sent to the recovery station, till hes/hers guardians come to get him.
I am all pro this I am absolutist, I do not drink at all and been like that since I was 14.
Also make illegal to give minor alcohol, or let minor to keep alcohol in hes possession.
And if minor gets caught in public under the effect of alcohol he is to be fined and sent to the recovery station, till hes/hers guardians come to get him.
I am all pro this I am absolutist, I do not drink at all and been like that since I was 14.
I'm assuming you have never been to Australia. Most people over 16 drink. I mean like 95% 'most'. Underage drinking isn't about breaking the law. Hell, most people don't give a shit about it unless you are causing problems or are like 12.Miumaru said:
The main problem with alcohol in the Australian community is alcohol fueled violence. Raising the drinking age won't solve that.
This is the law btw. It is just that no one cares. Unless you are a liscenced venue, they can be fined a lot of money. If you are underage and get caught with booz you can just say that you stole it from someone who has it legally.SinisterGehe said:
Changing the legal drinking age treats the symptom, not the cause. And it doesn't even do much to the symptom. 21 isn't too bad.
I still disagree with it and doubt it would do anything. It's mainly stupid and a waste of time and resources to change the legal drinking age.
I still disagree with it and doubt it would do anything. It's mainly stupid and a waste of time and resources to change the legal drinking age.
Exactly. Pointless and ineffectual.Keepitclean said:
It's not outlawing things that will solve the problem, it's SOCIAL CHANGE that will. Making something illegal is the worst way of changing society.
Christ, when are people going to realise that?
Whats the point?
People/Kids/Teens are going to drink whenever they want and raising the [i/]legal[/i] age wouldn't change much.
People/Kids/Teens are going to drink whenever they want and raising the [i/]legal[/i] age wouldn't change much.
When they statted it all up, the end results were zero effect on the sales of premixes favoured my young woman and while there was a marked effect on the sale of premixes favoured by young men the was an equal rise in the sales of unmixed spirits of the same type... So the end result was young women didn't give a shit and young blokes just bought bottles of rum and bourbon instead of the premixed versions. That was really effective, Mr Rudd. You certainly will go down in the history books... probably under "Wowsers, Fucking Useless".Kaboose the Moose said:
Raising the age limit on drinking will only raise the ages of the people who are causing the problems. That's not a solution that's just shifting shit around to try and massage the stats.
OTOH, I'd like to see the entry age for pubs and clubs raised to 25... I'm sick of hitting the same boozers I've been drinking in for 20 years and being made to feel like some old **** by all the fucking kids in them. There's only so many times in a night you can say "Fuck off, I was drinking here when you were still in your dad's ballsack" before it gets extremely boring.
We've had a bit of that in England, to lower crime and drink related incidents and violence. Truth is, i can only imagine those who are 18 to be a very small part of the problem, the real problem is with the slightly older generation who lull themselves into thinking they can handle their drink, who've been doing this for some time and think its ok to act like a twat because they're drunk.
The whole culture has to change, how you'd go about doing that i really dont know, much harsher penalties for being drunk and disorderly or incidents such as drunken asault, couple it with a morale stigma (like drink driving) and i think you may be in with a shot.
The whole culture has to change, how you'd go about doing that i really dont know, much harsher penalties for being drunk and disorderly or incidents such as drunken asault, couple it with a morale stigma (like drink driving) and i think you may be in with a shot.