Poll: Rare candy training. Do you approve?

[AngryMongoose]

If he cheated to get them then he can't legitimately say he beat you.
That being said, the only way I could be arsed to train a pvp ready 6 man Pokemon team is by cheating.

 

[Josh123914]

Muk- (he's AWESOME!)
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I love poison types =3
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wow, I'm suprised you didn't make a joke about Muk's name spelt backwards.

 

[DanielDeFig]

I don't disapprove of Rare Candy training, I just find it to be pointless.

Long-term (lv. 50 and above), EV's are vital. If the Pokemon hasn't actually been fighting any opponents, and thus hasn't gained Stats bonuses through EV's, it will be significantly inferior to a Pokemon that has reached Lv. 50+ through battle.

In this context of player vs player battles, the person who uses rare candy training is only cheating themselves. Yeah sure, your'e winning now, but only through level superiority. Once your opponent reaches the same level as you, you will find yourself outmatched.

this guy clearly just wants to one-up other players by over-leveling his opponents. Don't waste you time on him, unless you intend to train your pokémon to his level and beat the crap out of his inferior pokémon.


As soon as i learned of EV's, I immediately decided to only use rare candies to level up and evolve bug Pokemon (low-level evolutions. Complete pokédex!XD!) , then sell the rest (5000).

I am the person who the OP is talking (he confirms this) about and if you read my posts you see the team of pokemon I showed him were just there so he would have a crap fight before dada a actual team of pokemon legitly trained to lv 100 with EV's and nature taken into account. also that the rare candies and shinys that I have are from a friend putting them on my game without my approval.

Heh. Yeah, i saw on the posts that the two of you are working it out, and those Pokémon were put on your game without your consent. Unfortunately, i have what is increasingly seeming like a bad habit of posting first and reading the thread afterwards, in attempt to adress the OP dirsctly and get ritght to the point without too much influence.

 

[Glaive_21842]

Coming from a person who's used Shoddy Battle, don't do it. Use Shoddy Battle. If you don't want to, however, then fuck it. Double candies all the way! It'll be so intense! Sorry...bad meme insert...
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Just don't forget to grind out EVs afterwards

 

[DarkRyter]

A max level pokemon is a max level pokemon.

With proper IV's and EV's, a rare candied poke is no different then a grinded poke.

 

[Snowalker]

Well, I don't approve of rare candy training for competitive use, except in the case of un-trainable pokemon. Take Magikarp, its useless, gyarados isn't. So, if you used rare cnady to lvl magikarp, then its cool. otherwise, no.

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

Im on the fence.

I have no idea what people are talking about, I came here expecting a discussion about training hard to find sugary fill treats.

 

[Find.Me.Seashells.]

There's nothing wrong about rare candy training, I use this method frequently...
However, there's just something satisfying about training a puny level 5 Magikarp up to level 20 without using rare candy.

 

[justnotcricket]

Put it this way - if you use rare candies to train you pokemon for the purposes of beating the game, there's really no 'approve' or 'disapprove', because it's between you and your conscience, or you and your pride.

If it's for competition against other players, then actually, it's still between you and your conscience and pride, unless the other person is doing it. In that case, you might as well put yourself on equal footing and do it as well.

If someone does it deliberately to beat another person who they know doesn't use rare candy training, especially if they cheat so that they can use rare candies to get their pokemon to impossibly high levels, then it's kind of a dick move.

To me it depends what the person's intent was. Otherwise it's a matter for the trainer and their conscience/pride.

 

[Zagzag]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

I was pretty sure they are, given that you can't take advantage of EVs.

If you only use rare candies after you have Evs then it makes no difference! Rare candies level you up, and also remove any EVs you gained that level PERMANENTLY, so that you don't get their effects and can't gain more EVs to replace them. I think that using the EV reducing berries might fix this somehow though, although I don't know to much about rare candies as I never use them. One thing I do know is that if you remove EVs somehow, or don't have the full number by Level 100 then you can never get more, except by using vitamins, so that's only a maximum of 100EVs in each stat, as the box trick stops working at level 100.

 

[TheNamlessGuy]

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[theguitarhero6]

I give select few Pokemon Rare Candy on very few occasions, They're kind of helpful, but cheating is something I can't tolerate.

 

[TerranReaper]

Using rare candies is just plain stupid. You need to max your EVs first before applying your rare candies. Most people will argue vitamins, but vitamins do not have the ability to max out your EVs last I checked, you still need to EV train. Without EVs, your pokemon is weaker than an EV trained one, even one that has improper EVs set in certain stats.

Believe it or not, a lot of competitive battlers use action replay to speed up the process of getting a team together, since if you screw up even one pokemon on your team, it can be a difference between a lose or a win.

 

[blizzaradragon]

I believe rare candies are fine if you fit two criteria first.

1) They are already at max EVs, because then the stat boost from rare candy lvling would be the same as standard training, just a whole lot faster.

2) You don't cheat to get said rare candies. It takes away from the fun of the game and the sense of accomplishment. Besides, you can earn them in places like Battle Frontier anyway, and that makes it so much more satisfying to know that you worked your way up to your team of lvl 100 badasses.

 

[Ziggy the wolf]

for me if that was the case you should beat him on GP show him that naturally train pokemon are better...now if you excuse me, i have this pokemon i dont care about and just want to fill out my pokedex so im gonna shove rare candies down its throat till it gives a new entry

 

[Asehujiko]

Im on the fence.

I have no idea what people are talking about, I came here expecting a discussion about training hard to find sugary fill treats.

Basically, trying to find a pokemon with the perfect default stats involves doing nothing but catching, checking and releasing them until you find the one that's useful(a 0 skill event that takes roughly 30 seconds and has to be repeated 4000+ times on average(1 in 8096 chance or 1 in 65 million if you want the one with a non-shitty color scheme), then 10 hours of fighting completely harmless lvl 5 opponents for them to unlock all the stat upgrades, followed by 50 hours of oneshotting the same 5 guys repeatedly till you are lvl 100. And you need 6 of those.

Some guy said "fuck that shit, I want to play the actual game", used a bypass and some puritan grognards are raging at him for not putting himself through a few thousand hours of utter boredom and not getting carpal tunnel syndrome like a flaggelant "true gamer".

 

[TerranReaper]

Im on the fence.

I have no idea what people are talking about, I came here expecting a discussion about training hard to find sugary fill treats.

Basically, trying to find a pokemon with the perfect default stats involves doing nothing but catching, checking and releasing them until you find the one that's useful(a 0 skill event that takes roughly 30 seconds and has to be repeated 4000+ times on average(1 in 8096 chance or 1 in 65 million if you want the one with a non-shitty color scheme), then 10 hours of fighting completely harmless lvl 5 opponents for them to unlock all the stat upgrades, followed by 50 hours of oneshotting the same 5 guys repeatedly till you are lvl 100. And you need 6 of those.

Some guy said "fuck that shit, I want to play the actual game", used a bypass and some puritan grognards are raging at him for not putting himself through a few thousand hours of utter boredom and not getting carpal tunnel syndrome like a flaggelant "true gamer".

I don't think you actually read the post. The OP is battling his friend, where the OP has to train his team legitimately while his friend can magically pull out a team in about a few minutes. Not that I'm entirely against it, but just saying.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Using rare candies is just plain stupid. You need to max your EVs first before applying your rare candies. Most people will argue vitamins, but vitamins do not have the ability to max out your EVs last I checked, you still need to EV train. Without EVs, your pokemon is weaker than an EV trained one, even one that has improper EVs set in certain stats.

Believe it or not, a lot of competitive battlers use action replay to speed up the process of getting a team together, since if you screw up even one pokemon on your team, it can be a difference between a lose or a win.

Vitamins will work up to either half of that EV's cap or 100 (I forget which off the top of my head). The rest must be trained.
And I agree with PAR tweaking as long as the pokemon stays within its legal limits.
There is simply no reason to grind your brains out if you plan on playing competitively.

 

[Daffy F]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

I was pretty sure they are, given that you can't take advantage of EVs.

Did you EV train? If you did, then you should whup his ass anyway, even if he uses 'chomp. Make sure you do a flat battle (Everything is lowered to 50, so it's fair) And show him the advantages of EV training.
EDIT: Incidentally, they aren't weaker, you can still EV after training things to level 100 with rare candies. Just sayin'.

 

[Headsprouter]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

I was pretty sure they are, given that you can't take advantage of EVs.

Did you EV train? If you did, then you should whup his ass anyway, even if he uses 'chomp. Make sure you do a flat battle (Everything is lowered to 50, so it's fair) And show him the advantages of EV training.
EDIT: Incidentally, they aren't weaker, you can still EV after training things to level 100 with rare candies. Just sayin'.

Yeah..i EV'd some of them. My steelix in sp. def. and my ninetales in sp. atk.. I did those more consiously than others at least.