JeffBergGold said:
Genius.
Please note I believe intelligence is an all encompassing thing a full package. To me literacy does not equal intellectual capacity or even high levels of intelligence. Retaining knowledge is a low level cognitive skill that does not deserve the attribution of intellectual exceptionalism. Retention of data does not equal intellect.
In short GPA/school performance/educational achievement is not indicative of high intellect or intellectual capacity. It is indicative of literacy.
Kinisthetic intelligence: Ability to make the body perform functions such as dance, locomotion, expression of emotion, cns manipulation and other things. I believe people who can't dance well or perform well physically are a bit dumb.
Social intelligence: Ability to interact in groups without coming off as strange involuntarily. The ability to be charming and engaging. I believe awkward people are a bit dumb.
Emotional intelligence: Empathy and the ability to accurately identify other peoples motives, intentions, and whether they are genuine or disingenuous. I believe people who get duped or used as tools are a bit dumb.
Reasoning ability: The ability to formulate and present ideals logically and draw correct conclusions. I believe people who fail in logic are a bit dumb.
Resilience: The ability to maintain a positive self image and emotional state during adversity or negative appraisal. I believe extremely insecure people are a bit dumb.
Discriminating mind: The ability to discriminate between false or detrimental information in favor of facts. I believe people who blindly adhere to things are a bit dumb.
If someone is not in possession of all of the above characteristics I believe them to be of average or below average intelligence.
SillyBear said:
I fucking love how you call yourself a genius, and say that you adhere to all those arbitrary rules of intelligence - but someone like Neil Armstrong (and other socially awkward men) wouldn't even qualify. What about Stephen Hawking? He is a bit dumb because he can't dance, yo!
Pretty much. If Stephen Hawking is so smart why can't he figure out how to walk?
If a guy does poorly with the opposite sex or is socially awkward he is not intelligent.
SillyBear said:
Secondly, I don't believe for a second that you tick all those boxes. I certainly believe that you think you do, but a real "genius" would never:
A - be that arrogant.
and
B - act like intelligence is a checklist.
A: Genius and arrogance are strongly correlated actually. (Humility is pride)
http://www.managementpsychology.com/articles/the-intersection-of-intelligence-and-arrogance/
B: Intellect is a series of markers that gauge abilities and can be quantified into a checklist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences
JeffBergGold said:
In short GPA/school performance/educational achievement is not indicative of high intellect or intellectual capacity. It is indicative of literacy.
SillyBear said:
Ah, let me guess - you never got great school results?
Your guess would be incorrect.
SillyBear said:
You're acting like doing well in university is all due to "retaining data". That's absurd.
No it's not absurd. Many college professors have drawn the same conclusion.
SillyBear said:
For a few reasons:
1. Being able to retain information is an intellectual skill that can show a level of intellect. Remembering the symptoms and being able to diagnose every type of known illness in the world would be an incredible intellectual ability. Technically all that would be is "data retention" but the intellectual process behind that knowledge is incredible.
I never stated that it wasn't an intellectual ability. I stated that it is a low level cognitive skill that with enough effort anyone can achieve. Intellect cannot be obtained it is inherent. One can become more literate, not more intelligent.
SillyBear said:
The retention of data is also an aspect of intelligence from an evolutionary sense. Being able to remember what things are dangerous and what things are not is incredibly important.
Low level cognitive skill that everyone on the planet other than those with severe mental disabilities are capable of.
SillyBear said:
Why do you call being able to dance part of intelligence but being able to remember and recite vital information isn't? How fucking arbitrary is that list of yours?
I never said data retention isn't an intellectual ability. I just stated that it is a low level cognitive skill. Being able to retain data is not indicative of exceptional intellect.
SillyBear said:
2. No university on Earth just tests data retention. You try doing a final year medical school exam and only "retain information". It is just as much about the application of knowledge, i.e: using your data and information to determine, diagnose and decipher things.
Intellect is not one dimensional. With enough effort anyone can pass a medical test. Not everyone can be charming or socially savvy though.