Poll: realism vs fun

[Kevonovitch]

DUDE! no fair making me choose between painkiller and CoD4 D:!

honestly? if the realism is done right, which it hardly ever is >_> or even just small amounts, can be very awsome, but generally, just make the game fun, b4 ya add any realism, and if ya gotta choose between one and the other, add fun don't take realisim if it imposes.
thats another mistake dev's commonly do with realism >_>

 

[Kenko]

Realism always. But not 100% realism. I dont want to get shot and have to lie in a hospital for 4 months and then have to go through rehabilitiation and then maybe get shipped back again. But if bother are added in moderation its awesome.

 

[Popido]

Huh, I always thought that realistic ment logical. Ima gonna go with logic here.

Edit.
And good thing that I did. Comparing 100% realism to 100% pure bliz...wanna get high or DIE!

 

[Alon Shechter]

Fun.
Realistic games are fun, mind you.

 

[Neromanser]

The main intention of games was so you were to have fun on your free time, but all in all people like to be apart of a game sometimes fun is not enough, this is were immersion comes in, so maybe Black ops is losing its immersion.

 

[EvilMaggot]

well ive had fun in GTA4 with the somewhat realistic take on the vehicle trash/smash/breake system like ramming a bus into a infernus and just watch as it gets squished together ^^

 

[Ruffythepirate]

Do not use the word fun, instead use "immersive". Demanding every game to be fun is crippling to the video-game industry, we can reach higher than that. Example: most of us would agree that Schindler's List was a very good movie, but few would describe the experience of watching the movie as "fun". Why shouldn't we be able to make video-games like that?
I do agree that realism for the sake of realism can be crippling for game-play experience, however that is because when a developer focuses heavy on realism there is less time to work on game-play. Hence, realism is not necessarily bad as long as developers remember what in my opinion is the most important part of the game.

 

[Wintermoot]

give me fun! if I want realism I might as well join the army you even get paid for it!

 

[hermes]

They don't have to be excluding concepts... You are defining realism in terms of being underpowered, and that as opposed to having fun, but not all video games are about power fantasies. Survival Horror games, for example...

I will go with fun, and to me realism is opposed to creative graphic style, so I am against realism in that too.

 

[TheGreekDollmaker]

Also, who the hell doesn't like fun games?

Well for once, i dont like fun games.

I find this thread and its votes very dissapointing as a whole.

First of all im dissapointed at this thread for being so black and white only expressing interest in fun or realistic games, and im dissapointed at the people for so scaling so much on the fun side.

I mean guys, your implying that videogames are nothing but toys or board games.Just a mirrage a serious of reflex exercises/ mind and time wasting childen's play things.
Whatever any Game Overthinker has to say on the subject,video games are not toys by definition since
1.A toy ,by definition, is an object or series of objects whose main binary purpose is to entairtain or amuse AKA to have fun.
And
2.There isnt any Universal or Madmade law that dictates that videogames should only try to emotionally provoke amusement or that they primary and binary purpose should be that.

Yet why is this bullshit stigma that a videogame needs to be fun or has to have good gameplay to be considered worthy of the marios or the CODS or something else.

You dont see that with other mediums.Was Saving Private Ryan a fun movie?Mostly no,it wasnt.
But its considered one of the best war movies of all time since it showed in gruesome detail the barren wasteland war creates while showing the dehumanating effects on war while also showing that everyone can die.
Was Blade Runner a fast action filled adventure of non stop amusing gunfights.Again it wasnt,(in fact i will have to say its kinda boring) but its considered one of the best sci fi cyber punk movies of its age for a variety of reasons i dont have time to explain.

THere are hundreads of other movies that have been considered universally as the greatest movies of all time where they are from diverse genres what does videogames have to offer in return.

In the war genre again film has to offer such stuggering giants as Apocyplse Now and Saving Private Ryan what does games have to offer.Call of duty , a mostly bland unrealistically dissaraged shooter that is 90% shooting anything but Americans (sorry i forgot Shadown Company) while the rest 10% is the story which has to jumb through 4 different characters every goddamn 15 minutes to show another nonsensical plot twist.
Or Halo which is a mostly bland dissaraged shooter which 90% is target practise while the rest of its story is either cliched out of perpostion while its character is a mentally lifeless suit with armor that has like fucking 5 lines to say in the entire series (Again i forgot Halo Reach through that game wasnt much better).

From what i have noticed its more of a premature thing.Games havent matured, or atleast the gamer community (or maybe the damn Western Civilized world if i am allowed to go that far) hasnt grown up and realised yet.We see videogames as this medium where we recieve our fun from
while movies are there to provide us with the lesser fun but more action filled movies with romance tumors for us men or the female movies for 20-50 year old woman while books are just there to provide us with the boring dramas or epic plays or just freaking Shakespear as some book dumb people think.

Fortunatly thats not true.Fortunatly games arent a place where we get out fun hour wasting marios or CODs or halos or Unchartes or anything.Videogames are another art medium in which someone or a team of somebodys can express their creative work through just like films and just like books.Videogames are a medium where the developer seeks out active player interaction in order to explore out the creative world the artist has created.

This outcry that Fun or gameplay is more imporant than anything else is a fucking lie.We dont have to be a calture where we get on fun from.
There isnt any Universal law that says that videogames should only focus on fun or gameplay or graphics or story only.

There isnt anything universal law that dictates that i cannot make war a realistic hellhole of a directionless clasterfuck that strips away any feeling of innocence or happyness while showing the tragedies of war and the things man will commit agaist other man and that that game wont be good or nominated for fucking Oscar or Videogame Award.

Dont let videogame critics go unheard.See their arguements.When Roger Ebert (Who i openly dissagree with) goes around saying that videogames arent art, listen to their arguements before sending hatemail.Read or watch their reviews of videogame related movies or stuff.

Again guys there isnt any reason why we should only be a medium or wasting hours having fun.
Videogames are our fancy name for interactive story telling.Dont let that ''game'' part fool you.We are something much more than that.

And i am not speaking as a member of the realworld that has entered this forum only once so they can ***** about videogames.I am a teenager.I have been playing games as long as i can remember.

I love videogames.Thats why i critisise the hell out of them.

EDIT:Just read a few more posts.I agree with RAKundead up here ^

 

[KezzieZ]

They can both be great ways for a game to go but, if I had to choose one, it would be fun. That's more of a priority to me.

 

[Neromanser]

Well That is a interesting speech you typed out for us, you seem to forget games ARE NOT like other entertainment industries, games are something more and can only be understood by gamers and you may say that artists, actors and sound effects creators poor the thing they live for into a game, but only a gamer can truly unravel the joy of games.

We can't MAKE people see games as a form of art, but with the advances in computing and console visual and/or mechanics people will see for themselves what we enjoy nearly every day.

also your just meant to have fun with a game, because if your serious about to many games wouldn't we become the next movie critic trying to take down the next revolution in entertainment. (Motion censors should still stay low though lol)

 

[SlyderEST]

Have you forgotten about Just Cause 2? I think my answer is clear. Though since I don't see gems like that very often, I prefer realism somewhat in my games.

 

[Iron Mal]

As a general rule I usually find that the constrants of realism get in the way of my fun.

Sometimes it can make for an interesting game but my most memorable moments with games have been in those who play fast and loose with reality.

 

[Bobbovski]

I disagree stongly with the reasoning "If I want real, I'll go outside". There are plenty of things that an ordinary person can't or don't want to experience in real life. But they might want to be able to pretend that they are a real soldier, a ruler of a country or whatever (and wants a more realistic experience then your average game).