Poll: Red Hood & the Outlaws: Offensive or Empowering?

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Happy_Mutant

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For those who don't read comics or didn't catch this issue in the DC relaunch, Red Hood and the Outlaws is new book from DC, written by Scot Lobdell and drawn by Kenneth Rocafort. The book follows the failed Robin Jason Todd, now calling himself Red Hood, ex-Green Arrow sidekick Roy Harper, and alien princess Koriand'r, known as Starfire. In the debut issue, among many other things, it is established that Starfire has no memories of the Teen Titans, though in this continuity she was apart of them, has little regard for humans in general, and has had sex with Red Hood. She then goes on to have sex with Red Arrow. I'll refer you to other's takes on this controversy, as I do not feel I can discuss it here impartially.

Here is one article where the author is clearly offended:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

Here is another, where the author's protrayal is defended:
http://panelsonpages.com/?p=43603&cpage=1

Here is some behind the scenes information from DC, where Lobdell talks about his decision to write this way:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/22/behind-the-scenes-on-starfire-and-red-hood-and-the-outlaws-1/


The Pro and Con articles also make reference to Catwoman #1, but I want to limit the conversation here to Starfire, as I believe the Catwoman issue to be an entirely different discussion. I have included these articles because I believe they best articulate both sides of the issue, but if anyone else would like to recommend another article that is more focused or you believe makes a better argument, I will edit this post so that other readers are directed to it.

The last article seems to make it clear that the author intended this portrayal to be positive, and show how free she has become after being raised in slavery, discrediting the theories that the author is setting up an arc for the character where she comes to terms with her imprisonment the torture she endured.

So, the question is: are you offended or not? As this question centers so closely on gender politics, I have broken down the debate between males and females, so hopefully we'll get a good representation of the different perspectives gender carries to this matter.


For full disclosure, I do find the portrayal offensive, although I enjoyed everything else in the book. I remain open those who disagree, and am interested to hear what they have to say.
 

weker

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chest, groin, and arse shots... I'm not offended by the for a man so I should't feel the same for a woman. It's sexy comic book pictures and nothing more, not everything has to be empowering to something.
 

JochemDude

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I see a big chunk of text and no idea what it all means, can someone translate it to sentences non-comic people can understand?
 

Aleos Vance

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To be perfectly honest I don't think this has anything to do with empowerment, or gender politics, and everything to do with her as a character. Not all female superheroes are like that, just like all male ones aren't moody (shouldn't need to explain that one). They're trying to get her character across, and doing quite a good job with a very interesting character. Anyway, just my thoughts.
 

Nulmas

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Honestly, I didn't find it offensive at all.

I did, however, find it moronic and a bit immature :p
 

Saarai-fan

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Can't say I find it offensive, but I just found it stupid. Looked and read the issue today, and I just don't approve. The only way I can think DC can fix this is if they retcon it as that it was Blackfire [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfire] in disguise as her sister Starfire by use of some kind of device, and the real Starfire either somewhere else like her homeplanet or held captive in a hiding place by Blackfire.
 

malestrithe

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It's consistent with how the character has always been in the comic books. I don't seen any controversy here.
 

mrm5561

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i dont see any reason to freak out about it. the whole point of red hood is to show damaged superheroes and how they form bonds. starfires spent half her life a prisoner so now that she's free what do you expect her to do.
 

kwydjebo

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For those who asked, here's the deal....

In this reboot, Starfire is a bit of an airhead now (Well, she just isn't all that interested in Humans and Human issue, in general), she admits to having issues even telling humans apart, and seems pretty casual about sex. This seems to be where a lot of "controversy" is coming from. I personally never followed the character much before, but what little I knew of her was that she was pretty powerful, probably had that whole "New to this planet and customs" thing going before, and that as an act of fan service, her body absorbed radiation (or sunlight of what have you) so for her power levels she wore as little as possible (although on her planet the was no shame in the naked body yadda yadda yadda). Also she was a princess and warrior (Alien Wonder Woman I guess), so she was pretty accomplished in a fight, and aside from the "I'm not from around here" awkwardness, was as intelligent as need be (So I assumed), and dated Dick "Nightwing" Grayson for a while. I assume after 20 odd years of continuity she figured out how to behave around humans.

Anyways, so far only had 1 issue, but I'm not impressed with the character (not that I cared about the previous chracter at all), although it ain't new to comics, sci-fi, or fantasy I'm sure for the "Sex ain't so personal/sacred/etc amongst my people, so let's just do it" attitude to crop up. Actually reminds me of Chiana from Farscape (Who used Sex for recreation, love, currency, to get what she wants, a distraction, pretty much it was what she had to survive with so she used it as it served her), only that character matured some in the show's run, will Starfire? At this point Starfire's a pretty 2 dimensional character (at best) and perhaps big development plans are in the works for her.
As I said, I'm not impressed, but I ain't offended either.
 

Gunjester

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
Sure as hell not empowering. But damn it, I like Red Hood and The Outlaws. And I love Jason Todd. Always have. Roy Harper? Never ever have cared for him. But I really like this version of him. He's cute, he's funny-so this book stars one of my favorite charecters and made me like a charecter I didn't like.
I'm pretty much the opposite, except I also like both old Roy and new Roy, I feel like he sets a fine contrast to the moody ex-Robin. Anyways, Starfire's always been all, well to put it harshly, slutty, and I myself just kind of skip over the "sexy" panels to get to the good stuff. The problem is I'm very intrigued by it, I read 5 and 6 first and went back to buy all the earlier ones the same day. If it gets cancelled I fear I'll never enter Western Comics.