Poll: religon: a 7 point scale

[Goldbling]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.

Again you are trying to legitimize a view that undermines every other thing you know.

If we can just belief in things for funsies then all knowledge is entirely moot because it serves no purpose.

Essentially once you start believing in things because you can you are closing your mind to any other knowledge. Once you start being skeptical you are making yourself a hypocrite. If you accept the scientific theory for anything else it is unreasonable to make an exception for something just because it makes you feel good.

But then reason isn't exactly part of the gameplan. What benefit do you get out of faith that you wouldn't get out of optimism? I know the answer but I hate rhetorical questions so I'll let you give me an answer.

None, I suppose if that's the way you wan to think about it. Whats with the whole "Religion don't let you lern nothin'" thing going on lately? I seek knowledge like any other person religious or otherwise, I also aspire to do something beside fight with people on teh internets like Genealogy, Astronomy, hell maybe even be a Historian. There is no rule in the Bible that's said you much turn off your brain and shut out all logic. Logic also depends on the person, what seems a logical choise to one person may seem totally idiotic and ignorant to another.

Well historically that's the case. The numbers you use are Arabic Numerals, almost every star visible at night with your eye has an Arabic name, and initially the Arabic region of the world was responsible for basically all scientific advancement.

Then one day it was declared that mathematics was the work of the devil (sounds stupid but it happened). After that the Arab world collapsed cognitively and even now, thousands of years later it hasn't recovered.

Look at creationists. They are fighting hard to debunk evolution. However evolution has been evolving since it was first developed. They tend to use darwinian statements and act like people still believe he was 100% correct. Much like Einstein or Newton he had a vast majority of the basics down but wasn't entirely right. However what do you get out of creationism? You get nothing. It cannot help you develop cures, understand viruses, examine anything biologically.

The pure idea of faith is a slap in the face of knowledge. By the very nature of believing in something because you can and not because there is a reason to you leave yourself being a hypocrite. Why is it alright to believe in god just because but you can't believe in flying spaghetti monsters with the same legitimacy.

There is an invisible race of beings that produce no signs that would ever give light to their existence. They walk around the Earth just as we do. I've just developed something that can never be dis proven. Does that mean its true? From a scientific standpoint its not even worth thinking about. However if we go off the tenets of faith the answer should or possibly even must be "Yes it is true."

Every single time you reach a question that cannot simply be answered will you say "God did it." or will you investigate. If you investigate then why did you accept god so easily?

Why do I care what a select group of people thought a long time ago? What affect does that have on me in today's world where we know more than was known then? It doesn't it's an empty statement that doesn't apply to today's Christians nor does it apply to our Bible.

In the case of the FSM, if it actually spoke to someone a long time ago, and if it actually created the universe that argument might work but since it didn't it doesn't apply.

In the argument of the Invisible race... Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, since you are the sourse or "person" in this equation then in the terms of faith it is also not even worth thinking about.

Don't bother making another long winded argument, just cut strait to what you are going to say.

[small]i hate reading on the internets, it hurts mah eyes[/small]

Ok I'll make it short. As I noted earlier. Your faith legitimizes extremists and causes the deaths of thousands and thousands of people at the very least every single year. Because for every you there is a few million more and together they are what make faiths more than cults.

Thank you,

be that as it may, I still believe what I believe and there isn't one person who can change that, and vice-versa.

But there isn't any reason Theists and Atheists can't co-exist without arguing (actually there probably is and I just don't know it), that's the kind of world I want to live in. Although this discussion may have fucked that plan up a bit...

This is why we can't.

Oh well...

 

[Chicago Ted]

7.0

Athiests unite! FORM OF A BUCKET OF WATER!

 

[Deadpoolsbrain]

I would probably be 6.5 I suppose.

 

[Aardvark]

Where does "Who Cares?" fit on that scale?

Apatheist, if you will.

 

[Zombie_Fish]

you CANT actually mean what you just said
what about santa, or the tooth fairy, or the flying spaghetti monster

when two sides are arguing, the answer does NOT, by default, lies somewhere in the middle
its quite possible for one side to be plain wrong

Of course one side is wrong, there is always one side that's wrong when it comes to an arguement. Doesn't mean that that the answer's obvious though.

This is especialy true when arguing about whether or not something (such as God or Dragons) exist. How can you actually prove that they don't exist? If they don't exist then there's no proof that they don't exist, so it's impossible to actually prove that they don't exist.

 

[yosophat]

There is a difference between enforcing genes and changing genes. When you breed dogs you are enforcing or exaggerating genetic qualities those genes or gene segments stay the same the only difference happens in the genes responsible for allocating resources to those parts of the organism. When a fish starts to develop a lung thats evolution I would like to see a similar process repeated otherwise the mutations that happen randomly at different places in the genome, the only natural way to change an organism, cannot yield a new organ or biological system let alone different species like cats and dos there have to be intelligent factors at work.

 

[SebZero]

Something else.

I think God probably does exist (like... 75% chance), but even if He does exist I don't think I'd believe in him

 

[barryween]

I'd say 5.5.
I think god is highly unlikely, but I'm a "It's fake until I see substantial evidence otherwise" kind of guy.

 

[Cliff_m85]

There is a difference between enforcing genes and changing genes. When you breed dogs you are enforcing or exaggerating genetic qualities those genes or gene segments stay the same the only difference happens in the genes responsible for allocating resources to those parts of the organism. When a fish starts to develop a lung thats evolution I would like to see a similar process repeated otherwise the mutations that happen randomly at different places in the genome, the only natural way to change an organism, cannot yield a new organ or biological system let alone different species like cats and dos there have to be intelligent factors at work.

Obviously you prove that you don't really understand evolution. You are just using old arguments by creationists that have been debunked time and time again.

 

[Sacman]

I believe in God but my god is twisted and demented that only created us as a form of entertainment to satisfy there own needs by toying with our minds, and slowly pushing us to the brink of destruction... you know like the sims...

 

[anNIALLator]

I said 6, but I don't know there is no God(s) the same way I don't know there is no tooth fairy, santa claus, invisible pink flying unicorn behind me etc. So.... 6.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999........... Hell, all I really know is that I think, therefore I am. Outside of that, I cannot know anything for certain, like if the universe really exists.

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

Yeah I'm amazed this thread lived. I'm glad though, I can't remember any thread that's maintained a steady level of civility while still talking about religion. As for the poll I stand at 6. I'm not so naive as to think I can prove or disprove God's existence however I do find it highly improbable and not worth caring about. My life would be far worse if I did beleive in God, so I shall continue living the life of a non-theistic Satanist.

 

[lacktheknack]

Ehhh... I'd say about 1.6.

And am I the only one who is reminded of the Kinsey scale?

 

[anNIALLator]

In the words of Martin Luthor: I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.

Man I love that guy.

Not to insult your beliefs, but is that the same Martin Luther who inspired the term "Lutheran"?

Because if he did, you might not want to proclaim your love for him just yet.

Among others, he wrote a book named On The Jews and Their Lies, in which Luther advocated the destruction of synagogues, seizing Jews' property and money, and destroying their homes, in order that these "poisonous envenomed worms" would be forced into labour or expelled "for all time".

Just pointing out the facts.

I would have to agree with curlycrouton. I have always found Baby Tea to be a respectable guy, but without any disrepect - Martin Luther was an asshole and a perpetuator of the dark ages. Aswell as all the anti semitic stuff, he openly rejected and critiscised reason and logic. He was extremely dangerous and undoubtedly had a detrimental effect on the progression of the human race.

 

[anNIALLator]

I am a three point zero in that I am not sure if there is a God or not but I mostly think that there is a God. However, if he does indeed exist then I am not sure what he (or she, in the spirit of open-mindedness) wants me do to about it.

If you are thinking of the Christian god, I think it's pretty safe to say "He".

Lol, indeed.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I am a three point zero in that I am not sure if there is a God or not but I mostly think that there is a God. However, if he does indeed exist then I am not sure what he (or she, in the spirit of open-mindedness) wants me do to about it.

If you are thinking of the Christian god, I think it's pretty safe to say "He".

Lol, indeed.

Men are God's gift to women.


Menopause and Menstruation, ofcourse.

 

[RanD00M]

7,00 all the way.

 

[yosophat]

Obviously you prove that you don't really understand evolution. You are just using old arguments by creationists that have been debunked time and time again.

So mutations don't happen in random places and they are not few and far between?
I guess I am being a tad stubborn but the biggest flaw of evolution is pointed out by Darwin himself.