Poll: Salvia: Yea or Nay
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In the words of Hunter S Thompson: I hate to advocate drugs...
But if what you say is true then I for one, am all for it. Sounds like a great time.
But if what you say is true then I for one, am all for it. Sounds like a great time.
I want to know who goes around smoking random weeds to test the effects.
Likely won't be illegal or restricted until someone decides to smoke the crap while driving.
Likely won't be illegal or restricted until someone decides to smoke the crap while driving.
There's no way Salvia would last up to 30 minutes. 5-10 minutes is about how long it last and while you feel it you don't even know who you are. You'll live an entirely different life as a tree or a lamp post and it will seem like it lasts for an eternity but then when you come back to yourself it takes you a second to remember who you are. You trip WAAAAY harder on Salvia then you do on shrooms or anything else I've tried.
Well actually I consider hallucinations to be a bad side effect in general and plenty of reason to ban it. I see no real "benefit" to this drug.
Plus remember there is mental addiction as well as physical addiction.
Besides, to be honest while we did legalize alcohol after attempts to ban it during the prohibition I don't think that it's either harmless or a good thing overall, and the less impairing, recreational drugs we allow people to take, the better.
The human factor being what it is, with this stuff out there, people are eventually going to start driving taking it, or freaking out in public (as opposed to just consuming it at home). That is going to increase the accidents and stuff a bit if it's legal. I'd rather prevent as many variables as possible.
It's sort of like pot, for all arguements about it being relatively harmless to the user, I neither want to stink like it, or have stoners on the road. Sure it's really funny when Cheech and Chong drive off the road in one of their movies, and sit crashed into a tree for several hours before realizing they aren't driving. But when the equivilent of stuff like that happens IRL it's hardly what I'd call amusing.
Many of course disagree, personally I'm more concerned about protecting people from the antics of drug users, as opposed to being concerned about the drug users themselves and what repercussions this stuff might have on their bodies (although I do have some issues with this also given how many people from like the 60s and 70s killed themselves with drugs, drugs ultimatly costing us some of our greatest artists and musicians... it's just a lesser area of concern for me).
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Plus remember there is mental addiction as well as physical addiction.
Besides, to be honest while we did legalize alcohol after attempts to ban it during the prohibition I don't think that it's either harmless or a good thing overall, and the less impairing, recreational drugs we allow people to take, the better.
The human factor being what it is, with this stuff out there, people are eventually going to start driving taking it, or freaking out in public (as opposed to just consuming it at home). That is going to increase the accidents and stuff a bit if it's legal. I'd rather prevent as many variables as possible.
It's sort of like pot, for all arguements about it being relatively harmless to the user, I neither want to stink like it, or have stoners on the road. Sure it's really funny when Cheech and Chong drive off the road in one of their movies, and sit crashed into a tree for several hours before realizing they aren't driving. But when the equivilent of stuff like that happens IRL it's hardly what I'd call amusing.
Many of course disagree, personally I'm more concerned about protecting people from the antics of drug users, as opposed to being concerned about the drug users themselves and what repercussions this stuff might have on their bodies (although I do have some issues with this also given how many people from like the 60s and 70s killed themselves with drugs, drugs ultimatly costing us some of our greatest artists and musicians... it's just a lesser area of concern for me).
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From my impromptu research, it seems that its effects are no worse than alcohol in terms of danger.
I think it should not be banned. (But if kept legal it should be regulated. For example, driving while under its influence, or being under its influence in public, should be illegal.)
And I want some.
I think it should not be banned. (But if kept legal it should be regulated. For example, driving while under its influence, or being under its influence in public, should be illegal.)
And I want some.
Salvia Divorinum - Commonly known as diviners sage. Mild hallucinogen, hilarious resulsts. Speaking from experience, its not that bad. You remember strange obscure memories from childhood and once everything looked like it was made of lego. But this is a natural substance, growing on its own. Far as I'm concerned can't be too bad.
If it grows on its own, it should be legal.
If it grows on its own, it should be legal.
Of course there are side effects, anything you put into your body has an effect. That could be a physical manifestation, pyscological, or chemical. There is nothing you put into your body from the outside that doesn't have some effect on even the smallest scale. Whether I think it should be banned.....umm we probably should find out about the effects of it fully before we judge. Either way banning or not banning if people like it then they will use it.
Since when has saliva...oh salvia! Never heard of it. Not sure if it's good or not though. On one hand, it's not addictive and doesn't do anything to your body. On the other hand, it causes powerful hallucinations that could totally freak someone out.
Certain berries grow on their own and there are quite a few of them that can harm or kill us. Poison ivy grows on its own, Abrin grows on it's own and the poison from that can kill us.ExodusinFlames said:
Yeah, I didn't get quoted once I don't think, but if there are neither other than the short-term effects (which I really find hard to believe that there are no long-term) then there still needs to be restrictions in place.ryai458 said:
And I don't think people quoted me because I forgot to put drug before so in my post...
Actually I didn't, I see what you did thar. =P
There is a benefit. To free your mind. Not saying it loosely either.Therumancer said:
There is no documented proof unfortunately.Therumancer said:
It happens a lot lot lot less than people who are drinking.Therumancer said:
One of my big issues, is when people spew propagana-ish nonsense from outdated dogmatic sources. Most people who'll quote on the negative effects of Marijuana for example are quoting from a study done when Nixon was president, and the results were beyond suspect.
As far as a lethality factor, the LD50 of marijuana is actually impossible to achieve. And that is serious, it is impossible.
Edit - In order for the LD50 in humans to be reached 1500 lbs would need to be smoked in 15 minutes. Anyone who has EVER smoked before will agree with the impossibility of it.
Back on the Salvia train, any psychoactive substance should be semi controlled, but not by the government, but by the user. The system that my friends and I have used, and has never failed us, is for every three to five people imbibing whichever hallucinogen, there is one person remaining sober in order to supervise and guide them. Works out well.
I guess I'm going to need some of this at the end of the final season of Lost, then.Mazty said: